Phase One: Philadelphia's cafeteria

Nov 5, 2010 Full story: Loudon County News 35

Phase One of the Loudon County Schools building program is estimated to cost more than $40 million, which isn't available currently and has been one of the main obstacles in getting construction started.

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Phillymom 1

Knoxville, TN

#1 Nov 6, 2010
My child attended Philadelphia School when they decided to build another gym just so Red and school board could have their sports. They weren't concerned about the cafeteria then, sports were more important then our students needs for a cafeteria, just ask Leroy and Bobby.
Upset Mom

Knoxville, TN

#2 Nov 6, 2010
That's right PhillyMom1. In fact, the old gym is still there and it can be used to supplement the lunch area for seating too, but because management has decided to utilize that space differently, the kids are being made to suffer. This is about choices and making best use of the existing facility. By the way, kids at LES start eating lunch at 10:50, a slight 10 minutes later.

Regarding paying for this project first...the money that they would use to pay for it, is the money needed to secure that additional funding for the rest of the building plan....like the downpayment on a house, and if they spend that money without leveraging it, the rest of the building plan is dead. This is why the project will not be separated out. Now, once the funding is secured, construction should move quickly and we should opt to pay it off first, as you should never carry a debt on a project you can pay cash for, but we need to use that money to secure the bonds for the full building plan first.
Homer

Knoxville, TN

#3 Nov 6, 2010
Philadelphia as a town is dead. Since all the Philly kids end up at LHS and many kids from Loudon go there and many people from Loudon teach there, they have an unfair advantage over Greenback. Philly gets whatever they want and Greenback gets nothing. Greenback needs to hire more teachers from Loudon or even some from Lenoir City. Maybe even some with some political ties and they will stop being treated so poorly. It really is shameful how we treat Greenback and with their low voter totals it is only going to get worse. Even if you cheat them they can only muster 500 votes against you. Not many compared to 14,000 votes cast this time.
Trixie

Knoxville, TN

#4 Nov 7, 2010
School dept. could have funded the cafeteria upgrade out of reserves and completed it years ago. Double dealing by Tate and Marcus destroyed the trust between commission and board. Infighting between members of school board who were trying to fund the whole plan and those who wanted to ignore Greenback also blocked progress. The board is split so bad that they block when either side tries to make a move. As a result, nothing happens.
Tate

Knoxville, TN

#5 Nov 8, 2010
Ibudda been in ba old skools, I budda been in da ole scools but dun got ejucated just like them folks thad wint ta da fanci skool. Naw r ya gunna ejucate dem kids er bild em a lidle Tog Mulall.?
What 4

United States

#6 Nov 8, 2010
I do stongly believe that Greenback should be 1st! Who cares how many votes or which big wig kid goes there! They are a school of the county also! Ok so look at it this way pre-k thru highschool at Greenback ok yes that is a full education in one school! Why does Loudon not provide another school like that? Tell me why that loudon middle needs a new school!? I do not see nothing wrong with there school & why they would even be caring about replacing that one? Also as a parent at Philadelphia I believe that the waiting for a new lunch area can wait! Yes i said it!
I believe that where the thoughts of the whole thing have been looked at all wrong!
Why not do away with Steekee where that takes alot of money to up keep and just add on to philadelphia and hold both schools in one! They have a whole field of property that is not even used! That in a whole would save a ton! Then they better be looking at the high school can you say very overcrowded! Three schools coming into one now that is a huge overcrowding problem! Also when you look at it half of the people that come to Loudon coutny schools dont even belong in loudon! Not only does it take our tax dollars to fund there childs education but also it takes away from children as well being way over crowded when you have 30 kids in classroom & one teacher now how is your child learning? Some things need to be looked into on just how many kids that are out of county go to these schools! I say if you pay loudon county taxes then fine go anywhere in the county you want to, but if you are paying Monore/knox ect. then hey you better be movin them out of our schools! Also better yet they should bought property or a house in "Loudon County"!
Fred

Knoxville, TN

#7 Nov 8, 2010
How can we have a middle school football team without a middle school?
When is Lunch

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#8 Nov 8, 2010
Just for the record Greenback's lunch starts at 10:20 and ends at 1:17. Glad to see Ubben and Shaver take the stand they did in this article.
Fred

Knoxville, TN

#9 Nov 8, 2010
When is Lunch wrote:
Just for the record Greenback's lunch starts at 10:20 and ends at 1:17. Glad to see Ubben and Shaver take the stand they did in this article.
It's clear from the article that Tate is the problem. The folks in Philadelphia better give Leroy the boot if they ever want to see a new cafeteria.
Upset Mom

Knoxville, TN

#10 Nov 9, 2010
Just a thought, but the reason CC doesn't want to spend the money in Greenback is because of the number of students that would benefit vs the cost. I wonder what would happen if the SB would consider relocating GB to somewhere near 321 (at least the high school portion) and build there rather than the heart of Greenback. This would alleviate overcrowding which is being experienced on the north end of the county as well and incorporate phase 2 of the building plan as well. This is called "compromise" and might be the solution to multiple problems. Anyone will to discuss the feasibility of this?
really

United States

#11 Nov 9, 2010
Tate is not the problem. They are holding Philly hostage, and Tate's votes, so Tate will have to vote for the rest of phase 1. Not building Philly's cafeteria this summer while school is out because you're waiting on money for Greenback is like waiting to buy toilet paper until you can remodel your bathroom. Ubben said we can pay with CASH! There's no reason not to get started on this now considering how little it costs in comparison to the other projects. Instead here we are wasting time and money.
Get on Board

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#12 Nov 9, 2010
Upset Mom wrote:
Just a thought, but the reason CC doesn't want to spend the money in Greenback is because of the number of students that would benefit vs the cost. I wonder what would happen if the SB would consider relocating GB to somewhere near 321 (at least the high school portion) and build there rather than the heart of Greenback. This would alleviate overcrowding which is being experienced on the north end of the county as well and incorporate phase 2 of the building plan as well. This is called "compromise" and might be the solution to multiple
problems. Anyone will to discuss the feasibility of this?
The plan is already in place to build (land and plans) and it cost a lot of money to get the plans done. Are you suggesting that plan is scrapped and those $$$ wasted? What you are suggesting has already been discussed and turned down. The SB finally has a plan, and should see it through. Thr reason nothing has been done in the past 5 years is they kept changing their plans and nothing ever was accomplished. So the feasibility of your suggestion was denied. Also compromise might be better stated that others stop trying to alter the plan already in place !!!!
Curious in the Village

Knoxville, TN

#13 Nov 9, 2010
Of course it all about the voters and their money. There was never a wait for an expansion of Eatons or North Middle or Highland park. Why? Because half the SB is from the LC area and if they didn't do those things, they would be voted out. Headlee and Honeycutt both are aware that there are enough votes in that area to remove them so those areas got all the money for their schools.

You want to save money? Cut off some of the funding to Eatons and North Middle and make them spend their CDs in the bank. Last time I checked they both had over $200,000 in the bank while the rest of the schools had almost nothing.
Upset Mom

Knoxville, TN

#14 Nov 9, 2010
Get on Board wrote:
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The plan is already in place to build (land and plans) and it cost a lot of money to get the plans done. Are you suggesting that plan is scrapped and those $$$ wasted? What you are suggesting has already been discussed and turned down. The SB finally has a plan, and should see it through. Thr reason nothing has been done in the past 5 years is they kept changing their plans and nothing ever was accomplished. So the feasibility of your suggestion was denied. Also compromise might be better stated that others stop trying to alter the plan already in place !!!!
I'm just trying to remember that there is a phase 2 to consider as well and the longer this takes, the more likely that their needs will also come to light. Not saying we shouldn't see things thru, just need to consider all options.

And nothing is ever set in stone until the contracts are signed. It's been 5 yrs and I quit holding my breath long ago.
Fred

Knoxville, TN

#15 Nov 9, 2010
really wrote:
Tate is not the problem. They are holding Philly hostage, and Tate's votes, so Tate will have to vote for the rest of phase 1. Not building Philly's cafeteria this summer while school is out because you're waiting on money for Greenback is like waiting to buy toilet paper until you can remodel your bathroom. Ubben said we can pay with CASH! There's no reason not to get started on this now considering how little it costs in comparison to the other projects. Instead here we are wasting time and money.
You just haven't been following the issue close enough to understand the difference between the problem and the solution.. The reason the school board won't go ahead with Philly is because there is no trust between the board members. The reason there is no trust is because Leroy Tate and Bill Marcus vote one way one month and another way another month, depending on how much they want to derail the plans. They'll both pretend to support the plan and then when it looks like something might actually happen, they turn and vote against the plan or vote for operating expenses instead of buildings.

Upset Mom has a good idea about moving GB HS closer to 321, it might make the school more useful to the rest of Loudon County. Of course there isn't enough growth on that end of the county to matter.
Get on Board

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#16 Nov 9, 2010
Upset Mom wrote:
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I'm just trying to remember that there is a phase 2 to consider as well and the longer this takes, the more likely that their needs will also come to light. Not saying we shouldn't see things thru, just need to consider all options.
And nothing is ever set in stone until the contracts are signed. It's been 5 yrs and I quit holding my breath long ago.
What part of options were considered do you not get???? That's how the plan was decided. Like I said it cost big $$$$ to get the current plans done and since you didn't answer this question I'll ask it again, "Do you think that the plan should be scrapped and waste all that money?"
Get a Grip

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#17 Nov 9, 2010
really wrote:
Tate is not the problem. They are holding Philly hostage, and Tate's votes, so Tate will have to vote for the rest of phase 1. Not building Philly's cafeteria this summer while school is out because you're waiting on money for Greenback is like waiting to buy toilet paper until you can remodel your bathroom. Ubben said we can pay with CASH! There's no reason not to get started on this now considering how little it costs in comparison to the other projects. Instead here we are wasting time and money.
Get a grip, would ya. You might want to reverse this. Tate has NEVER supported Greenback and in essence has really been the hostage holder. Bad choices by him and previous boards have led to our current situation. Where was his concern for the cafeteria when they decided to build a new gym at Phila.
Wonder

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#18 Nov 9, 2010
Upset Mom wrote:
Just a thought, but the reason CC doesn't want to spend the money in Greenback is because of the number of students that would benefit vs the cost. I wonder what would happen if the SB would consider relocating GB to somewhere near 321 (at least the high school portion) and build there rather than the heart of Greenback. This would alleviate overcrowding which is being experienced on the north end of the county as well and incorporate phase 2 of the building plan as well. This is called "compromise" and might be the solution to multiple problems. Anyone will to discuss the feasibility of this?
Who said CC doesn't want to spend money in Greenback, I've only heard one or two CC say that and they are gone now. You wonder what would happen if the SB would consider.... The same thing that's been happening NOTHING !!!!!!! So wonder away !!
Upset Mom

Knoxville, TN

#19 Nov 9, 2010
Get on Board wrote:
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What part of options were considered do you not get???? That's how the plan was decided. Like I said it cost big $$$$ to get the current plans done and since you didn't answer this question I'll ask it again, "Do you think that the plan should be scrapped and waste all that money?"
TRUTHFULLY???? The part I do not get is where are you going to get the money to build it? This county has voted down a wheel tax and a sales tax. That leaves a property tax increase, which from what I understand, will be kind of large. Now, if you believe that taxpayers will gladly go along with the increase with no argument, then we can move forward on building ALL of phase 1. Problem is....I don't think that they are going to do it or it would be happening as we speak. But that didn't happen...in fact, the entire building plan has been removed from the agenda of the CC and not one person spoke up as to why??????

So...I'll tell ya my answer....I don't think you are going to have a choice! I don't think they are going to raise taxes enough to cover the cost of the project next year. I do not believe that in this economy, that the citizen of Loudon county will allow property taxes to be raised without a fight. So one can have all the plans they want, but without the cash to back it up, it is just a dream. By the way...did you ever see the box of plans in Dave Hemelright's office? You could wallpaper a house with those big ideas? Just more money down the tubes because this county has yet to have a county-wide discussion on what we want our schools to be. Just a bunch of politicians with nothing but their own agenda on their minds.

I know you do not want to hear alternative ideas, but I am looking to find an agreeable solution that serves the needs of many in the county. As desperate as the situation in GB is, I still think we might need to consider a compromise that meets the needs of many, rather than just a few. Sorry! Just my opinion.
Get on Board

AOL

#20 Nov 9, 2010
Upset Mom wrote:
<quoted text>
TRUTHFULLY???? The part I do not get is where are you going to get the money to build it? This county has voted down a wheel tax and a sales tax. That leaves a property tax increase, which from what I understand, will be kind of large. Now, if you believe that taxpayers will gladly go along with the increase with no argument, then we can move forward on building ALL of phase 1. Problem is....I don't think that they are going to do it or it would be happening as we speak. But that didn't happen...in fact, the entire building plan has been removed from the agenda of the CC and not one person spoke up as to why??????
So...I'll tell ya my answer....I don't think you are going to have a choice! I don't think they are going to raise taxes enough to cover the cost of the project next year. I do not believe that in this economy, that the citizen of Loudon county will allow property taxes to be raised without a fight. So one can have all the plans they want, but without the cash to back it up, it is just a dream. By the way...did you ever see the box of plans in Dave Hemelright's office? You could wallpaper a house with those big ideas? Just more money down the tubes because this county has yet to have a county-wide discussion on what we want our schools to be. Just a bunch of politicians with nothing but their own agenda on their minds.
I know you do not want to hear alternative ideas, but I am looking to find an agreeable solution that serves the needs of many in the county. As desperate as the situation in GB is, I still think we might need to consider a compromise that meets the needs of many, rather than just a few. Sorry! Just my opinion.
You know what they say about opinions? Anyway opinions are not what are needed, what was needed was FACTS and they were given by a company hired by this county and then they were ignored by this county. There have been many discussions for years about what was needed for our schools. Sorry if you don't agree with the final decision. Your question as to where are they going to get the $$$ to pay for it, my question is where are they going to get the $$$ to pay for any of it? The only place they can. Oh and by the way the entire building plan was not taken off the CC agenda because the entire building plan wasn't on the CC agenda to begin with. Two prjoects were. The CC couldn't fund anything in 08/09 because there were no plans, could't do it it 09/10, this was an election year and I believe they will fund the building plan this year. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

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