Once slow-moving threat, global warming speeds up, leaving litt...

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When Bill Clinton took office in 1993, global warming was a slow-moving environmental problem that was easy to ignore.
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Teddy R

Mclean, VA

#32240 Aug 24, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Well, the fuel-cycle matters are spread all over. An estimate from the USNRC:
In Appendix L, the NRC staff estimates that the carbon footprint of the fuel cycle to support a reference 1000-MW(e) LWR operating at an 80 percent capacity factor for a 40-year plant life is on the order of 17,000,000 MT of CO2, including a very small contribution from other greenhouse gases (GHGs). Scaling this footprint to the power level of Fermi 3 using the scaling factor of 2 discussed earlier, the NRC staff estimates the carbon footprint for 40 years of fuel cycle emissions to be 34,000,000 MT of CO2 (average annual emissions rate of 850,000 MT, averaged over the period of operation) as compared to a total United States annual emission rate of 5.5 billion MT of CO2 (EPA 2011).
Data. Good. Thanks.
Teddy R

Mclean, VA

#32241 Aug 24, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Well, the fuel-cycle matters are spread all over. An estimate from the USNRC:
In Appendix L, the NRC staff estimates that the carbon footprint of the fuel cycle to support a reference 1000-MW(e) LWR operating at an 80 percent capacity factor for a 40-year plant life is on the order of 17,000,000 MT of CO2, including a very small contribution from other greenhouse gases (GHGs). Scaling this footprint to the power level of Fermi 3 using the scaling factor of 2 discussed earlier, the NRC staff estimates the carbon footprint for 40 years of fuel cycle emissions to be 34,000,000 MT of CO2 (average annual emissions rate of 850,000 MT, averaged over the period of operation) as compared to a total United States annual emission rate of 5.5 billion MT of CO2 (EPA 2011).
When we combine this data (thanks again) with the CO2 generation rates for the other commercially viable base-load generation technologies available, we get an interesting result.

According to DOE in their report on the subject here:
http://www.eia.gov/cneaf/electricity/page/co2...

... CO2 generation rates for other base load generation technologies are:

Coal: 2.10 lbs CO2/kWh
Oil: 1.92 lbs CO2/kWh
Natural Gas: 1.31 lbs CO2/kWh

Note these figures are the direct CO2 emissions from combustion only, and do not include the total carbon footprint of the fuel cycle, which would of course add to these figures considerably.

The figure you so helpfully unearthed from NRC for the nuclear fuel cycle is 850,000 tonnes CO2 annually for a Fermi 3-size nuke (net capacity 1520 MWe operating at 80% capacity). This can be taken for practical purposes as the total carbon footprint, since CO2 emissions from the plant itself are negligible.

This calcs out to 0.176 lbs CO2/kWh for the nuke - i.e., a TENTH of the carbon footprint of the other proven commercially viable base-load generation options available to us, even WITHOUT considering the considerable additional carbon footprint associated with the front-end and back-end fuel cycles for the fossil-fueled options.

The conclusion is obvious - if, as we are urged to believe, AGW presents the most serious risk to life on the planet short of a killer comet impact, building nukes as fast as possible to replace all fossil fuel electric power generating stations is the single most effective action we as a society can take to save the planet.

We know how to do this. Let's roll.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#32242 Aug 25, 2012
cricket wrote:
New paper finds no evidence of increased humidity in US, contradicts global warming theory
http://hockeyschtick.blogspot.com/2012/08/new...
snip
"Journal of Applied Meteorology and Climatology finds, contrary to global warming theory, that "little change has occurred in dewpoint and specific humidity" in the U.S. over the 80 year period from 1930 to 2010. The paper also finds "trends in relative humidity show little change for the period 1947 – 2010." Thus, the paper contradicts the theory of a runaway greenhouse effect allegedly due to positive feedback from increased atmospheric water vapor and specific humidity."
Yeah, yeah, warmies, you can save your hot air [response]. We all know you will just cry "unreliable source" or a variation of the same theme.
Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)

Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#32243 Aug 25, 2012
cricket wrote:
Blah blah blah.
Didn't think you or anyone could prove anything.
Remember that when someone in your deluded & deceived warmie believing crowd asks for proof and references for anything when they give no credible references ever.
Oh wait, any valid references given are automatically dismissed as 'not credible' and even known written history...marked as 'disagree' & 'spam'.
Ignorance gone viral.
Not quite, it's stuck here at Topix.
cricket wrote:
YOU have NO AUTHORITY to tell me what I can and cannot request on a lame ass Topix forum.
Someone makes a statement, others can question it.
This thread is like 'Groundhog Day'.
The whole forum is like that.
Going right back to year one, the questions and answers are the same.
cricket wrote:
Everything has been discussed over & over & over & over one million different ways.
And so it will continue.
cricket wrote:
So what's your problem?
All this over a Time article from the wayback machine? No response when your warmie bud makes statements and lame accusations about any education I may have, acting like a 12 yr old?
Pull up your big boy pants.
He's over 50, it's too late for that.
cricket wrote:
If you don't like it, don't read it.
PHD

Houston, TX

#32244 Aug 25, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
PHD..... I disagree with you. Rehab can't correct 'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger dirtling', who is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig.
Well for the entire world wishful thinking is better than the dirtlings useless babble tainted with hate.

Since: Mar 09

Colwich, KS

#32245 Aug 25, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Not quite, it's stuck here at Topix.<quoted text>The whole forum is like that.
Going right back to year one, the questions and answers are the same.<quoted text>And so it will continue.<quoted text>He's over 50, it's too late for that.<quoted text>
Are you, Big_Goof, and Cricket siblings?
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#32246 Aug 25, 2012
Deniers ask the same questions but answers to them get more and more piercing, thanks to science progress.

An example, this is a vivid explanation of the climate shift, by a scientist:

&fe ature=youtu.be

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#32247 Aug 25, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
<quoted text>HUH???
Who needs you around? NOBODY.
You're fired!
f++k off wanker!

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#32248 Aug 25, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
I read that. It is a worry.

“Happy, warm and comfortable”

Since: Oct 10

Mountain hideaway, SE Spain

#32249 Aug 25, 2012
flack wrote:
I read that. It is a worry.
There really isn't much point in worrying, preparing for adaptation is the only answer, but there's no rush, the weak will be the first to perish, as always.
Even James Hansen isn't able to control the Sun.
PHD

Houston, TX

#32250 Aug 25, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>There really isn't much point in worrying, preparing for adaptation is the only answer, but there's no rush, the weak will be the first to perish, as always.
Even James Hansen isn't able to control the Sun.
Sorry you feel that way about yourself.Well the useless babble and hate seem to be cleaned up a bit good job.
litesong

Lynnwood, WA

#32251 Aug 25, 2012
PHD wrote:
the useless babble and hate seem to be cleaned up a bit good job.
He's just taking a breath.
PHD

Houston, TX

#32252 Aug 25, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
He's just taking a breath.
So sad to bad. For a moment I had hoped for some recovery form the dirtling.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#32253 Aug 26, 2012
Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
As usual, you are babbling incessantly about something that you are in complete ignorance.
Not really, this is based on personal experience: "[P]eople buy fossil fuel and its taxes pay for far more than any 'fossil fuel subsidy'. Fossil fuels make money while solar and wind waste money." All long range transport is run with fossil fuel. The least expensive electrical generators use fossil fuel.

When's the last time you've seen a vehicle powered by electricity, solar or wind power? Fossil fuels are wonderful, they are the most efficient production, storage and transport agents for solar power. It's like burning prehistoric sunlight.

Don't be a dummy, learn about life.

“I Luv Carbon Dioxide”

Since: Dec 08

Location hidden

#32254 Aug 26, 2012
litesong wrote:
He's just taking a breath.
Good call!
cricket

Winter Park, FL

#32255 Aug 26, 2012
SpaceBlues wrote:
Deniers ask the same questions but answers to them get more and more piercing, thanks to science progress.
An example, this is a vivid explanation of the climate shift, by a scientist:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =TX2KyF0p-xUXX&feature=you tu.be
...and devout believers of cc/mmcc religion just get more shrill, repeating the mantra's of their warmie high priest guru's.

Repeating the cc/mmcc bs over & over will not make it the truth.
Really.
It won't.
Maybe you could click your ruby reds and wish it into reality.
It will work just as well as warmies beliefs & propaganda in a lie.

P.S.
Know why most believers have already left this thread?
They KNOW it's ALL B.S. They're not believers anymore.

“fairtax.org”

Since: Dec 08

gauley bridge wv

#32256 Aug 26, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>There really isn't much point in worrying, preparing for adaptation is the only answer, but there's no rush, the weak will be the first to perish, as always.
Even James Hansen isn't able to control the Sun.
I'm not worried for myself. This country can't handle it right now. With all the coal fired plants being shut down just when we mat need all the power we can generate.
cricket

Winter Park, FL

#32258 Aug 26, 2012
Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Forget global warming - it's Cycle 25 we need to worry about (and if NASA scientists are right the Thames will be freezing over again)
Met Office releases new figures which show no warming in 15 years
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/articl...
Yeah, I saw that.
You know what the ardent warmie followers will still say....if they jump on that bandwagon (because Hansen or another cc/mmcc guru said so)....it's now global cooling only because it's the global warming that caused it. lol.

The push for a solution for the new crisis will be the same as the old solution from all these cc/mmcc believing clowns.

They'll just substitute a few words and viola! The new crisis de jour with the same old tired refrains.

Man IS good at adapting as you said, because actually, that's all that can be done. No one can control the sun.

But remember, these cc/mmcc warmies do not really believe the sun has much, if anything, to do with the earth's climate cycles and changes.
It's all man's doing. Throw all your money at it and go back to pre-industrialized ways, live dirt poor without much of anything, especially energy and bingo! problem solved.

The sun will surely obey and the temp on the earth will never ever change anywhere again.
lol.

A repeat for the slow remedial warmies:

"When analyzing ancient history in bronze age times, what really stands out is the mass migration of many people groups, beginning in the 1400 B.C. time frame, because of

**** catastrophic climate change****,

as before the climate change, bronze age cities such as Nippur, Ubar, Harappa, Yam, Ebla, and Jiroft, thrived in what would become deserts, left in arid desolation because of the serious decline of ranifall which began circa 1500 B.C."

http://dancingfromgenesis.wordpress.com/2009/ ...

he Paleothic Period (c. 25000 BC)

"Archaeological evidence suggests that Egypt was inhabited by hunters over 250,000 years ago when the region was a green grassland.
The Paleolithic period around 25000 BC brought climatic changes which turned Egypt into a desert."
http://www.aldokkan.com/egypt/pre_dynastic.ht ...
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#32259 Aug 26, 2012
litesong wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't worry. The AGW scientists don't ever read your words. Even your topix AGW denier buds make short work of your posts.
Your macho duck fingertaps isn't reminiscent of anything I remember in my aero engineering classes. However, we talked about the Viet Nam protestors & said they wouldn't take over any of the engineering buildings. The demonstrators, would always go to upper campus to make their protests, tho the engineering buildings were right next to the HUB demonstrator gathering point. Just too many military people in the engineering classes.
That poster shows up here with smoke and fire.
SpaceBlues

Houston, TX

#32260 Aug 26, 2012
.. many species have been responding to recent climate change, yet the complexities of a species’ ecological needs and their responses to habitat modification by humans can result in unanticipated responses,” UC Berkeley Department of Environmental Science, Policy and Management professor Steven Beissinger, who served as senior author on both studies, told Yang.“This makes it very challenging for scientists to project how species will respond to future climate change.”
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