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bonniewheeler
Pawleys Island, SC
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If there was a separation ity would be listed in the Constitution. It isn't there Ther was not seiparation until Satan's athiest Madelyn O'hara began it. If there was a separation our founders would surely have known. Print whatever you think supports your theory. I will give you the meaningns of the symbols that our on The Great Seal. Our Founders acknowledged God in everything they did. They even used Bible verses in their first reader. Here are some examples from Americia's first reading lessons for children: A In ADAM'S Fall We sinned all. B Heaven to find; The Bible Mind. C Christ crucify'd For sinners dy'd. D The Deluge drown'd The Earth around. E ELIJAH hid By Ravens fed. F The judgment made FELIX afraid.
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andy
Alexander City, AL
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Article 6 the first amendment the supreme court tend to back up separation along with the founding fathers own words and actions. It will be impossible to convince you none the less due to your dogmatism. All i can say is there will never be a combination and non separation for a reason and that is the same one that a group of people jumped on a ship called the mayflower. Religion breeds hate and bigotry. Time and time we see the results just in different forms as the teachings of jesus are perverted to fit a church and mans desires.
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Blue Turban
Camden, SC
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It's OK you call me RagHead. I forgive you and all. May the Bird of Paradise fly up your nose and lay many eggs. Ps...love to my bros and sisters, especially my sisters, my Number is listed, contact me my sisters. Don't forget to use the paper Prayer Rug when you receive it in the mail. peace. (you can trust me).
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bonniewheeler
Pawleys Island, SC
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What article six supports is not a separation of Country and God, but government promoting one denomination over another John Jay, first Supreme Court Justice, who knew the laws of the Constitution very well because he helped to create them, said to Jedidiah Morse, 28 Feb 1797: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." There is no such requirement in our Constitution to ban religion from government. If there had been, the Supreme Court Justice Of the United States would never have made that statment. Go figure.
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bonniewheeler
Pawleys Island, SC
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"... but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States." That only means that one isn't forced to state his religious affiliation to qualify for office.
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andy
Aiken, SC
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andy
Aiken, SC
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Make sure when you make up your ideal government you have an equal number of reps from each denomination and make sure you include every religion as well. Also all religions activities of all faths should have equal time because we cannot separate church and state. We can have suicide bomb mondays, crusade Wednesdays, torah reading fridays...maybe squeeze in shiva somewhere. Wait...you meant just christian government right? So i guess the hell with other faiths they can fall by the wayside in government and its ok to keep them separate. Hum maybe total separation is not a bad idea because imagine if a non christian ran your government like oh say someone you voted for nikki haley.
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Since: Jul 11
Laurel, MD
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andy wrote: well here goes Adams: "The Government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." Paine: "I would not dare to so dishonor my Creator God by attaching His name to that book (the Bible)." Madison: "What influence in fact have Christian ecclesiastical establishments had on civil society? In many instances they have been upholding the thrones of political tyrrany. In no instance have they been seen as the guardians of the liberties of the people. Rulers who wished to subvert the public liberty have found in the clergy convenient auxiliaries. A just government, instituted to secure and perpetuate liberty, does not need the clergy." Jefferson: "All persons shall have full and free liberty of religious opinion; nor shall any be compelled to frequent or maintain any religious institution": freedom for religion, but also freedom from religion Washington: "Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be deprecated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." And final tidbit only 7 percent of the USA population belonged to a church when the Declaration of Independence was signed. good post, if correct..I'll factcheck.org this
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andy
Cordele, GA
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Most sources combine attendance, affiliation, and membership to get 17 % total but i went with low ball source figure to highlight point. 17 is still a minority however.
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Since: May 12
Bennettsville, SC
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Responsibility wrote: Oh such ignorance (even in jest) and from a Republican no less! Desperation abounds. Is this your typical Democrat? JUNE 15--For the fourth time in the past two years, a Cincinnati man has been arrested for masturbating in public with the aid of a teddy bear, records show. Charles Marshall, 28, was arrested Wednesday evening after employees at a health clinic spotted him pleasuring himself in an alley. Marshall, pictured in the adjacent mug shot, was cited for disorderly conduct. Municipal Court records show that Marshall has already been convicted three times of engaging in public indecency/disorderly conduct with a teddy bear. The misdemeanor counts resulted in short jail sentences and small fines for Marshall. Marshall was first busted in February 2010 when witnesses spotted him engaged “with a teddy bear in mens bathroom” at a public library (which prompted a judge to order him to “stay away all Hamilton Co. public libraries”).
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Andy
Aiken, SC
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He really likes his teddy bear...
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Since: May 12
Bennettsville, SC
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Andy wrote: He really likes his teddy bear... He has his rights I suppose. I keep looking at the man from Myrtle Beach that loves his horse to get married to it!
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bonniewheeler
Sumter, SC
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andy wrote: You proved my point How? It did not prove that religion was banned from government - it just means that no one denomination is preferred over another. When I attended school there was chapel every Monday morning where scripture was read. In every state preamble, God is honored. Check them out. And I repeat, John Jay, first Supreme Court Justice would have surely known. Go ahead and post your anti-religious quotes - would love to see them. Shall i post, for you, the preambles of each state?
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bonniewheeler
Sumter, SC
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--Diary and Autobiography of John Adams, Vol. III, 2nd U.S. President and Signer of the Declaration of Independence: "Suppose a nation in some distant Region should take the Bible for their only law Book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited! Every member would be obliged in conscience, to temperance, frugality, and industry; to justice, kindness, and charity towards his fellow men; and to piety, love, and reverence toward Almighty God ... What a Eutopia, what a Paradise would this region be."
South Carolina, 1778, Preamble. "We, the people of the State of South Carolina grateful to God for our liberties, do ordain and establish this Constitution"
North Carolina 1868, Preamble. "We the people of the State of North Carolina,grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for our civil, political, and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those"
Check out "The Great Seal" of the United States
And nobody said that relighion was ever forced. Only that it was never banned. And our leaders acknowledged God in everything - they even called for days of prayer. So did George Bush and other recent presidents.
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Andy
Aiken, SC
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“And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up.” Deuteronomy 6:6-7
Was John Jay one of those activist judges...I kid but he was the second president of the american bible society. My point is that it is ok if you believe in your faith. Great go for it more power to ya. Faith can motivate people to do great deeds. However keep it a private relationship with God/Yahweh/Allah/Vishnu/Whatev er deity you honor. Please do not bludgeon others with your faith. When you openly profess it and start appearing at my door giving out religious materials and wanting to talk about my soul it kinda freaks me out. Faith can motive people to do good and bad. Unfortunately it is all too often that it motivates people to do great evil in this world under the justification of god's will. It is easier to people to do horrible actions if it is ordained by their faith and scripture-I am not singling out Christianity mind you. In America the rule of law will always trump everything else even the bible. While it is ok to kill in the name of God it never ok in society unless under dire circumstance of self defense and war. Simply wanted to imbue everything with everything with some Jesus bling does not cut it and never should. People should live honorable lifes and treat others with respect and help not because you afraid of damnation but because it is your character to do so. If there is a God in Heaven I tend to think he would prefer this to faith by fear.
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Andy
Aiken, SC
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Please forgive the grammatical errors as my phone sucks for posting mind you.
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oygevalt
United States
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Andy wrote: “And these words which I command you today shall be in your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when you rise up.” Deuteronomy 6:6-7 Was John Jay one of those activist judges...I kid but he was the second president of the american bible society. My point is that it is ok if you believe in your faith. Great go for it more power to ya. Faith can motivate people to do great deeds. However keep it a private relationship with God/Yahweh/Allah/Vishnu/Whatev er deity you honor. Please do not bludgeon others with your faith. When you openly profess it and start appearing at my door giving out religious materials and wanting to talk about my soul it kinda freaks me out. Faith can motive people to do good and bad. Unfortunately it is all too often that it motivates people to do great evil in this world under the justification of god's will. It is easier to people to do horrible actions if it is ordained by their faith and scripture-I am not singling out Christianity mind you. In America the rule of law will always trump everything else even the bible. While it is ok to kill in the name of God it never ok in society unless under dire circumstance of self defense and war. Simply wanted to imbue everything with everything with some Jesus bling does not cut it and never should. People should live honorable lifes and treat others with respect and help not because you afraid of damnation but because it is your character to do so. If there is a God in Heaven I tend to think he would prefer this to faith by fear. There are Christians and then there are Christians. Yeah I said it twice, a Christian accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and live accordingly. Then there are people who are truly evil that put on the mask of Christianity, but are NOT. Nero blamed the Christians for Rome burning, history shows the truth. Anyone can say they are a Christian, people lie ALL the time, especially to themselves. Sorry I want you to know about heaven/hell, God/satan and pray that your immortal soul does not end up in hell. Before you say"what kind of loving God would send people to hell?. That's like asking what kind of loving parent would discipline their child. We have a choice, accept Jesus Christ as the redeemer and go to heaven, or don't and go to hell.
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Since: May 12
Bennettsville, SC
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oygevalt wrote: <quoted text> There are Christians and then there are Christians. Yeah I said it twice, a Christian accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior and live accordingly. Then there are people who are truly evil that put on the mask of Christianity, but are NOT. Nero blamed the Christians for Rome burning, history shows the truth. Anyone can say they are a Christian, people lie ALL the time, especially to themselves. Sorry I want you to know about heaven/hell, God/satan and pray that your immortal soul does not end up in hell. Before you say"what kind of loving God would send people to hell?. That's like asking what kind of loving parent would discipline their child. We have a choice, accept Jesus Christ as the redeemer and go to heaven, or don't and go to hell. A person's actions speak louder than their words. The tongue is a deceitful item.P.T. Barnum was as accurate as one could be!
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bwheeler
Sumter, SC
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Oygevalt, Had it not been for God this country would long have been destroyed. It remains because of believers. It was founded on Bible scriptures. Even discoverer Christopher Columbus' name meant 'christ bearer' Early Americans met for prayer and fasting before wars, and met again to give thanks for victory - the preambles of every state gives homage to God. The Founders never separated government from God - They separated government from denomonations meaning they did not promote one denomination over another. John Jay, First Supreme Court Justice and knew the Constitution well, had this to sayto Jedidiah Morse, 28 Feb 1797: "Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty, as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers." Do you believe that Jay, who helped to compose the Constitution, would have said that if he believed that government should not have God whatsoever involved with government? T In addition thhe Bible gives us instructions on selecting our leaders: Exodus 18:21 "Select capable men from all the people--men who fear God, trustworthy men who hate dishonest gain--and appoint them as officials over thousands, hundreds, fifties and tens." King James version: God’s requirements for leaders of nations: "Moreover thou shalt provide out of all the people able men, such as fear God; men of truth, hating covetousness; and place such over them, to be rulers of thousands, and rulers of hundreds, rulers of fifties and rulers of tens."
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bwheeler
Sumter, SC
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Sorry, messed up - posted twice and I do not know how to remove it
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