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Who I am is a middle of the road moderate who knows in every society in the history of the world that society has been brought down by the excesses of the ultra wealthy.
What I am is is a moderate who knows that Obama has moved to the center of his political philosophy while Romney has moved to far right of his political philosophy.
What I am is someone the liberals call a right winger and the right wingers call a liberal. A sure sign of those calling me the "other side" is an extremist. Because only extremists live on the other side. Moderates know things for as they are. Know how things are done and how things are manipulated.
What I am is someone who is not burdened by the confines of a political party and their rhetoric. Do I see the future? I see the past. And those who cannot learn from the past are doomed to repeat their failures. Romney is no different than GW Bush. A hand puppet for the ultra wealthy. He is not acceptable in any way shape or form for the Presidency. Anyone who can support today's GOP is an idiot. Just as big an idiot as a fem nazi like minute.
Of course only you know anything. No one has a right to think....no one has a right to believe...unless it's Dusty's opinion.

We can all see the past...not just you...though all but you can see the future. When you resort to name calling and demonizing anyone who doesn't share your opinion you loose all credibility.

What's really funny to me...is that I actually share your opinions and have staed such...but somehow since I don't jump up and endorse your candidate publically...I'm an idiot? I'm a right wing extremist? Your sold and I'm not...yet I'm not a moderate?

You need to prove your accusations...otherwise your just pissing in the wind.

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" As much as I dislike Obama, I will vote for Obama because I'm not quite ready to give up the entire country to Wall Street."
I may vote for Obama too. But that's my right and my decision...not yours.
" If I'm wrong we get another 4 years of Obama treading water."
What? You can't see the future? I'm shocked!
"If you're wrong, the American public will lose another 40% of their wealth just like because of Bush."
If I'm wrong about what? Unlike you...I have made no decision.
"You're a very VERY politically ignorant person. You continually use the excuse "what happened five years ago doesn't matter"."
That's your opinion...but I'm not so easily convinced as you are. And I'm right about 5 years ago. No excuse. Go change it...let me know how it works out. Oh...you can't? Well then...it doesn't matter does it. You can cry over spilled milk...and I'll worry about now.
"IT MATTERS EVERYTHING. WHEELS WERE SET IN MOTION TO TAKE THIS COUNTRY DOWN TO IT'S KNEES BACK IN THE REAGAN YEARS AND IT'S GETTING WORSE EVERY SINGLE4 YEARS due to the GOP selling out the American workers."
You can't change the past....get over it already.
"One man standing against Corporate America and the ultra rich cannot stop them."
Every idea and every solution starts with one man or women.
" One man standing with Corporate America and the ultra rich can hasten the demise by 10fold."
Well you know what? That's been going on since politics began. Is every day a new world for you?
"Romney is Wall Street's boy and even the blind CAN see that. But not the right wingers. Welcome to the world of the extremist."
Everyone that doesn't agree with your opinions is an extremist...got it.
Just whatever man. You do exactly the same thing Minute does. You get angry because I state facts and historical references and you can't refute them so you "kill the messenger". Not once in your two lengthy attacks here and the three before did you refute anything I said. You simply make wild generalizations about how I can't foretell the future. I don't have to. All I have to do is be reasonably intelligent to the point of running the numbers. This nation is still in the throes of what the 8 years of Bush II did to it. To deny that is to deny reality. Any reasonable reality.

You are politically stupid. For you to go to the lengths of constant attack of me calling you stupid for saying Romney can't be any worse than Obama is not a defense but a smoke screen attack. You can't defend your boy, you deny he's a venture capitalist Wall Street vulture? That's what he's always been outside his forays into politics. Obama was a community organizer. That's a do gooder. Romney was a venture capitalist. And that's exactly who took America to it's knees under Bush II. And you smugly slap out something about me not knowing the future?

What I do know is a shark doesn't turn into a goat. A leopard doesn't change his spots.

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Everyone that doesn't agree with your opinions is an extremist...got it.
That's exactly right. Why wouldn't it be? I'm a dead center moderate willing to negotiate almost any issue to get something done about corruption and decay in our government. I'm willing to trade out and make sacrifices that might effect me if it equally effects the ultra rich. So id you don't agree with the moderate position there is no other place for you to be other than an extremist on one side or the other. No place at all. I don't see what's the outrage here. You're either a moderate or you're an extremist of one kind or another in America. There are no other people involved or interested American Politics.

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Just whatever man. You do exactly the same thing Minute does. You get angry because I state facts and historical references and you can't refute them so you "kill the messenger". Not once in your two lengthy attacks here and the three before did you refute anything I said. You simply make wild generalizations about how I can't foretell the future. I don't have to. All I have to do is be reasonably intelligent to the point of running the numbers. This nation is still in the throes of what the 8 years of Bush II did to it. To deny that is to deny reality. Any reasonable reality.
You are politically stupid. For you to go to the lengths of constant attack of me calling you stupid for saying Romney can't be any worse than Obama is not a defense but a smoke screen attack. You can't defend your boy, you deny he's a venture capitalist Wall Street vulture? That's what he's always been outside his forays into politics. Obama was a community organizer. That's a do gooder. Romney was a venture capitalist. And that's exactly who took America to it's knees under Bush II. And you smugly slap out something about me not knowing the future?
What I do know is a shark doesn't turn into a goat. A leopard doesn't change his spots.
Hey...I'm not angry at all. I debate in real life all the time. You want to go on a rant and acuse me of being something I'm not...what do you expect. In your latest rant I dont see many facts just name calling. You want to debate facts you'll probably see I agree.

"Not once in your two lengthy attacks here and the three before did you refute anything I said."

Attacks? Seriously? I attacked you by defending myself?

" This nation is still in the throes of what the 8 years of Bush II did to it. To deny that is to deny reality. Any reasonable reality."

Again I ask....where did I deny that?

"You are politically stupid. For you to go to the lengths of constant attack of me calling you stupid for saying Romney can't be any worse than Obama is not a defense but a smoke screen attack."

Did I call you stupid? You went to lengths to attack me...I never started anything...I just defended myself from your acusations. I try and look at both sides and both parties and not just look down on one like your doing. I understand where your coming from and your opinion and I'm not the one calling you stupid personally for having it.

"You simply make wild generalizations about how I can't foretell the future."

Oh no...It isn't me that says will be and could have been....that was your arguement.

"You can't defend your boy, you deny he's a venture capitalist Wall Street vulture? That's what he's always been outside his forays into politics."

Ans where or when did I defend "my boy" again? Just because youy say he's my boy doesn't make it so.

"And you smugly slap out something about me not knowing the future?"

You want to keep predicting the future...what do you expect?

Dusty....you want to insult me because I don't jump on the Obama bandwagon. Sorry...but I'm not jumping on any bandwagon. You want to call me names and insult my inteligence and then when I defend myself you want to say I'm "attacking" you. You started the rant...not me. If you didn't like something I said just say so without all the stupid right wing extremist BS. I don't mind at all clarifying my position....and I can do so without insulting you or anyone else.
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Oh, and Meat

Your behind the times, they are leaving Singapore now, they are going to Viet Nam now. My husband's friend that works for GE, was in China for 2 weeks, spent a week in Viet Nam. China is getting to expensive now, off to poorer workers, Viet Nam, here they come.


Hey JustaNut,
You're behind on times too! China is filling its GE losses with Obama's Government Motors Chevy Volt.

See, Confucious say loan farmer yen to buy hen
When hen get fed real good and farmer pay back yen
Then Chinese man steal hen, LOL.

GM deal moves electric car development to China -- a 'shakedown'?

Lets see!
UPDATE 11:40 ET with Girsky comments on deal, building Volts in China.

General Motors agreed in Shanghai today to develop an electric vehicle platform with longtime Chinese partner SAIC. It effectively moves GM's future electric vehicle development to China. Unclear is whether this would also lead to assembly of future EVs for the U.S. market in China.

The deal came as the Chinese government is pushing foreign automakers to give Chinese companies EV technology they lack, according to an Associated Press report. U.S. lawmakers have complained that China is "shaking down" GM to get Volt secrets. Electric vehicle development in the U.S. has been developed with extensive U.S. taxpayer funding. Confucious say "Thank You Mr. Obama"
America is getting to expensive now, off to poorer workers, China, here they come.

The Chinese government is pushing electrics with a subsidy that amounts to about $19,000 per car -- but only if the car is made in China. No imports allowed. There also are tariffs on cars imported to China, which lawmakers argue are unfair and may violate world trade rules. LOL, like the Chinese give a damn about some agreement. They act like they paid for it. Oh' wait they did, never mind I forgot.

Looks like a shakedown to me, NEXT!

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That's exactly right. Why wouldn't it be? I'm a dead center moderate willing to negotiate almost any issue to get something done about corruption and decay in our government. I'm willing to trade out and make sacrifices that might effect me if it equally effects the ultra rich. So id you don't agree with the moderate position there is no other place for you to be other than an extremist on one side or the other. No place at all. I don't see what's the outrage here. You're either a moderate or you're an extremist of one kind or another in America. There are no other people involved or interested American Politics.
So your telling me that if I look at both sides of the issue and one of those sides happens to be republican...then I'm an extremist? To be in the middle means considering all sides of an issue Dusty...not just your side or your point of view.

"I don't see what's the outrage here."

Aparently it's because I stated I wasn't absolutely 100% sure that Romney would be worse than Obama. But then again I'm considering a lot of other things such as the economic situation here and worldwide, the congress that either party may have that is not decided yet, and also how well they will work together. I'm not considering just the man like you are.

"You're either a moderate or you're an extremist of one kind or another in America. There are no other people involved or interested American Politics.":

Who decides that Dusty? You alone? Some people would consider some of my socialist ideas extreme communist. Some people would see my free market ideas as extreme evil capitalism. I'm not going to fit in yours or anyone elses box. I try hard to think out of it...because that's where solutions will be. You need to get over your rant and agree or disagree with my opinions and when in doubt ask for clarification without being an ass.
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And with control of the High Court they will make the looting and destruction all nice and legal. It will take decades to undo, if it is even possible should Romney get in.

America cannot afford to allow Obama to trash our Constitution with another Liberal on the Supreme Court. When Supreme Court Justice Ginsburg downplayed the Constitution’s Importance, you could hear a Cricket scratch his balls a mile away from any Liberal. It is amazing how fast some liberal pundits like you can become Constitutional Originalists when it is convenient for you to distract from the real issues at hand yet ignore moron's like Ginsburg.

During an interview in Egypt, Associate Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg responded to a question about "if the Egyptian people should look to the U.S. Constitution when attempting to draft their own":

You should certainly be aided by all the constitution-writing that has gone on since the end of World War II. I would not look to the US constitution, if I were drafting a constitution in the year 2012. I might look at the constitution of South Africa. That was a deliberate attempt to have a fundamental instrument of government that embraced basic human rights, had an independent judiciary… It really is, I think, a great piece of work that was done. Much more recent than the US constitution – Canada has a Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It dates from 1982. You would almost certainly look at the European Convention on Human Rights. Yes, why not take advantage of what there is elsewhere in the world?

Ginsburg’s stance on the Constitution mirrors that of a recent article in the New York Times about its slipping status as an inspiration for more recent constitutions around the world. Obama demonstrates that everyday, you just deny it.
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WMCOL, the last post is meant for you and not Justaminute. My bad.
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Dusty is a troll.

Don't waste your time.

You can't be reasonable with the unreasonable.

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Accomplished more good in his 47 years than all of the cops who beat him will in their combined lifetimes.

RIP Rodney.

Cops everywhere are tormented by their evil and by how it could not keep you down. You kept arising, but now they have finally gotten you, but your legacy of exposing corruption and pursuing justice outshines their evil of being judge, jury, and executioner.

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Dusty is a troll.
Don't waste your time.
You can't be reasonable with the unreasonable.
Well he may be a cranky old fart...but I still like him anyway.

I used to debate every morning with a business owner who is about Dusty's same age and temperment. My way or the highway type of guy, LoL! It wasn't a few times he jumped up and stormed out of his own office and took off down the road! The mayor who sit in on some of our arguements tried to talk us into doing a morning radio show but they would probably wind up bleeping out half the show because of profanity.

I value and consider all of your opinions.
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Accomplished more good in his 47 years than all of the cops who beat him will in their combined lifetimes.
RIP Rodney.
Cops everywhere are tormented by their evil and by how it could not keep you down. You kept arising, but now they have finally gotten you, but your legacy of exposing corruption and pursuing justice outshines their evil of being judge, jury, and executioner.


Rodney King Drinking and Smoking Weed Before Drowning.
He was in the pool hiding from the cops,,, of course he was drunk and stoned, he was screaming because he thought there was 4 off duty LAPD Officers (all friends of Barack Obama) trying to drown him, imagine that.
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Well he may be a cranky old fart...but I still like him anyway.

I used to debate every morning with a business owner who is about Dusty's same age and temperment. My way or the highway type of guy, LoL! It wasn't a few times he jumped up and stormed out of his own office and took off down the road! The mayor who sit in on some of our arguements tried to talk us into doing a morning radio show but they would probably wind up bleeping out half the show because of profanity.

I value and consider all of your opinions.


I have to say I agree with you, he can be a cranky old fart sometimes and I suppose why it gets rather entertaining making sport of him from time to time. Not sure if you recall but when Dusty and WMCOL had drifted back to the thread recently I had made it as clear as I could to Dusty the ordeal between Justaminute and I was for entertainment purposes only. It was nowhere near any kind of debate so much as it was just slinging insults and party line bullshit to each other. I found it funny to watch her pound away at her keyboard with cheerful glee that she is absolutely sure Obama will be re-elected. To tell you the truth it doesn't make one bit of difference to me which one wins. They both are cheeks of the same ass connected to Bush Jr.

Dusty loves to attack me for the same reason he attacked you. When it finally became crystal clear you were not ready to commit to Obama after all the training he gave this thread then all that refused is now officially an extremist. For me, it is Obama's arrogance and not his ignorance that pushes me away from him. It is funny to watch Dusty explain away how Obama is now a changed man and has moved to the center as a moderate and away from his true colors as a leftwing hack and in the next breath trying to explain to you how Romney is just flip flopping. Fact is Obama will move where ever he has to so he can get re-elected then if he does it will be right back to ramming the most draconian bullshit imaginable down the throats of the unwilling if he has to do it by executive order. Well that is my opinion, I welcome yours.

I would like to hear more about the solutions you have discussed as I think if an effort was spent educating the general public that actually pay taxes in this country that most would agree our entitlements should be done as a handup and not a handout.
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Jun 17, 2012
 
This is the video Rodney King should have watched from Chris Rock on,
"How not to get your ass kicked by the police."
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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I have to say I agree with you, he can be a cranky old fart sometimes and I suppose why it gets rather entertaining making sport of him from time to time. Not sure if you recall but when Dusty and WMCOL had drifted back to the thread recently I had made it as clear as I could to Dusty the ordeal between Justaminute and I was for entertainment purposes only. It was nowhere near any kind of debate so much as it was just slinging insults and party line bullshit to each other. I found it funny to watch her pound away at her keyboard with cheerful glee that she is absolutely sure Obama will be re-elected. To tell you the truth it doesn't make one bit of difference to me which one wins. I would like to hear more about the solutions you have discussed as I think if an effort was spent educating the general public that actually pay taxes in this country that most would agree our entitlements should be done as a handup and not a handout.
I know the mud slinging between you and Minute is just fun and games. It's a lot like the Ou Texas rants during football season. It's ok for us to fight among ourselves...but someone else comes along starting a fight we're one big team.

It reminds me of when we were kids playing football in a local vacant lot. It amazes me how well 15 to 20 kids aged 8 to 14 knew how to line up and execute some fairly complicated plays....when they could quit fighting. With no older person there to enforce the rules...it was run a play and argue for 15 minutes. Just like the dems and republicans today. There were never many fistfights though...maybe some pushing and shoving...but the argueing over who did what would reach such a feverish pitch it would be a disturbance to the neighborhood and the laws get called to break it up. Us kids were all buddies then...we were just playing officer... LoL! Or when the football gets stuck in a tree or in a neighbors fenced yard with a dog...we were all one team then...we all shared the same goal...get the football back.

We could learn a lot about politics just by watching a group of kids play backyard football supervised only by the rules they make as they go. Politics today is still in the argueing and fighting stage...approaching the pushing and shoving...and nobody is discussing the strategies for the next play...we're still fighting about the last one.

Most great presidents had a way of refereeing the two sides and getting them to work together and play the game more efficiently so progress is made. The football is our economy. It's in a neighbors yard with a bad dog while we fight over who threw it over there. Sooner or later we are going to have to work together on a stategy to get the football back... especially when that dog starts chewing on it. No game to fight over without a football.

So Heat, that's my football analogy of politics... LoL!
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I know the mud slinging between you and Minute is just fun and games. It's a lot like the Ou Texas rants during football season. It's ok for us to fight among ourselves...but someone else comes along starting a fight we're one big team.

It reminds me of when we were kids playing football in a local vacant lot. It amazes me how well 15 to 20 kids aged 8 to 14 knew how to line up and execute some fairly complicated plays....when they could quit fighting. With no older person there to enforce the rules...it was run a play and argue for 15 minutes. Just like the dems and republicans today. There were never many fistfights though...maybe some pushing and shoving...but the argueing over who did what would reach such a feverish pitch it would be a disturbance to the neighborhood and the laws get called to break it up. Us kids were all buddies then...we were just playing officer... LoL! Or when the football gets stuck in a tree or in a neighbors fenced yard with a dog...we were all one team then...we all shared the same goal...get the football back.

We could learn a lot about politics just by watching a group of kids play backyard football supervised only by the rules they make as they go. Politics today is still in the argueing and fighting stage...approaching the pushing and shoving...and nobody is discussing the strategies for the next play...we're still fighting about the last one.

Most great presidents had a way of refereeing the two sides and getting them to work together and play the game more efficiently so progress is made. The football is our economy. It's in a neighbors yard with a bad dog while we fight over who threw it over there. Sooner or later we are going to have to work together on a stategy to get the football back... especially when that dog starts chewing on it. No game to fight over without a football.

So Heat, that's my football analogy of politics... LoL!

Your "Football Analogy of Politics" explains it rather well and you're correct, sooner or later we have to go get the football because there is no game without it. I must say Obama has not shown me any good coaching skills worthy of note. Any hope of winning the game require the coach to get the whole team to work together to achieve the win.

I spent a good bit of the day reading the liberal sight you had posted for Dusty. Very interesting site as were the comments. I'll get back in there and read some more as time permits. It's unfortunate Topix doesn't operate that way. I admit I do as much as anyone with the mudslinging and partyline politics but it is all in fun. I have wondered how long it was going to take Dusty to go off like he did.

To me, that was so predictable but that is just who he is. I don't mean that in a bad way and actually like the old cranky shit. I think he just takes this forum to damn serious for his own good. Even if he could convince the entire cast here to vote for Obama would be as meaningful as putting a tablespoon of water in the ocean and expecting to affect its level. That's my Jaques Casteau Anology of his thinking, lol.

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"Mitt Romney would pursue some type of comprehensive, long-term reform to America's immigration system, the former Massachusetts governor and his supporters said on Sunday.

Republicans accused President Obama of playing politics on Friday when he announced that the government would no longer seek the deportation of immigrants who were illegally brought to the U.S. as children, under certain conditions.

"What I would do, is I’d make sure that by coming into office, I would work with Congress to put in place a long-term solution for the children of those that have come here illegally," Romney said Sunday on "Face the Nation.""

Criticize Obama for "playing politics" when in fact what Romney then says HE would do is..........uh something(let's not talk specifics, something will have to hold you).........work with congress (only if the Democrats don't stall you on every bill like the GOP does Obama. Which they will in retaliation, and wheels on the bus go round and round).........reform (There's a good GOP work. Means nothing. Never has).........long term (translation too complex to get at anytime soon, gotta study it for about 8 years....But that damn Obama is playing poltics. Not me. I wilk mumble and babble and say absolutely NOTHING.

What all this means is Romney has no solution. Doesn't care about illegals, not going to talk about illegals. I might not agree with Obama on illegals but he has deported more than Both Bushes and Reagan combined. That is better than nothing and nothing is what we're going to get from Romney.
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Well Dusty I would say Obama forced Romney to come up with something on the illegal situation. Yes Romney was right this move by Obama was a political move.He wants to assure the extra voting thing. So I was running against Obama I would have to come up with a good move on this situation. That is what's called playing the game.

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Well Dusty I would say Obama forced Romney to come up with something on the illegal situation. Yes Romney was right this move by Obama was a political move.He wants to assure the extra voting thing. So I was running against Obama I would have to come up with a good move on this situation. That is what's called playing the game.
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Doesn't matter what Romney is "forced" to do, the point was Romney accuses Obama of playing politics with immigration but then says he is not playing politics with the issue.

These folks running for elective office are politicians seeking a political job, and everything they do is politics.

The advantgage is to Obama for acting first, for leading on the issue.
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Doesn't matter what Romney is "forced" to do, the point was Romney accuses Obama of playing politics with immigration but then says he is not playing politics with the issue.
These folks running for elective office are politicians seeking a political job, and everything they do is politics.
The advantgage is to Obama for acting first, for leading on the issue.
He making some happy but then again he has turned many off! I do agree this policy should have gone thru Congress and the House just not the President deciding this policy. Maybe it should have gone to the vote of the people! To many have their own view point about immigrants and more so them going thru the legal steps to be here,

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