Too Speedy For Gravity?

(QUOTE who="Chuk") Keep religion out of science; JOB 9:11!(End QUOTE]

Gee, chuck YOUR Bible is different TOO!
(Job 9:11) "Lo, he goeth by me, and I see him not: he passeth on also, but I perceive him not" That relates to keeping science and religion separate, HOW?

I hope it is true that "rapidly spinning bodies warp surrounding space and drag orbiting objects with them." Since Einstein predicted this effect, maybe scientists can take it a bit further and exploit it somehow.

Maybe it is too early to get excited about the ramifications if this is true, but I don't care. It's exciting to me.

JIm wrote:

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It did NOT have an atomic engine it had a nuclar batterie. Any sped below he speed of light IS sub light.
this is only the 2ont time they used an ion engine
I am also a trekkie but you need to get your physics from someone besides Scotty.
Cusseta GA {'cause it never gets my town even close to right

Take a look at the specs on the Nasa link about it's design, it's a atomic engine reactor, no such thing as a nuclear battery ... both satellites have the same core design ..

If I am not mistaken, there may have been as many as 8 satellites that are ion based that went on various missions, this has nothing to do with the star trek series, in fact when Roddenbury put the star trek saga together he consulted with the agency that is now called Nasa, and in fact all productions related to the science in that series are actual projects being done at Nasa. It's the ole rule. LOL, go too the site and key in " warp drive " see what you'll find behind the research, just one thing you'll have to look hard for the site, it's there.

Ion based propellion had been designed, built, tested and ready for use since 1977. As well as two atomic based engines as well, the forth is still a non public access project.

propelsion = propellion

Captain Obvious wrote:

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If they are propelled or even steered by an engine, it would be extremely hard to keep its speed variation to less than the quoted 10mm/sec (or something).
The odd thing is that all the birds are fast. Sounds like something common is off one part per million - mass of the earth? Rounding error in some constant? truncation of terms in a formula?

Actually the measurement is based on movement in the void of space, which is as follows, any action implimented by an oject thru focused thrust is expected to move in the direction it is pointed, but with the addition of atomic based or ion based there is a difference in the propelsion system, its magnetic based, and constant, in other words once it's activated it continues to build up speed in a very short period of time, the speeds that are calculated are based on chemical fuel standards, not magnetic based propulsion.

oh oh been spelling propulsion wrong all this time .. lol ..

More than six order of magnitude of significant figures?

Slightly off topic but how might this relate to the effect of gravity on light? For example could this effect the 'constant' of C? What about blacks holes? Would it make them easier to form or would it allow for light to ever excape?

JIm wrote:

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It did NOT have an atomic engine it had a nuclar batterie. Any sped below he speed of light IS sub light.
this is only the 2ont time they used an ion engine
I am also a trekkie but you need to get your physics from someone besides Scotty.
Cusseta GA {'cause it never gets my town even close to right

I already have quite a decent knowledge of physics though I do have to update a bit since I've been busy working on a real earth project, as far as Scotty I don't think I'll need his help to build a warp based engine, I plan to consult with the Nasa division that specializes in the concept,( jezz, I must be losing it, this is the only home I have, naa I think I'll just keep it local ). Listen the research that they've ( NASA ) has been doing will prove to be quite surprising a lot that is brought up on Star Trek are actual projects that Nasa has been conducting to this day, there are real research projects. As well they are also offering assistance with applying some of these projects into the private sector ( which may surprise even yourself ) how do you think solar panels came to the private sector, Nasa helped make that happen, and are willing to help folks interested in other aspects of applying successful applications in our direction. I should know I'm currently working on one as we blog .. lol .. strange world for sure ..

Life often immitates fiction - I have a friend who is working on a space drive engine that should make near-light-speed travel possible. But that sill won't be warp speed.

As for the article, and the point of this blog - it was pointied out the the differenc might very well be simple human error or problems with measurement.

Trilbykat wondered if this could be exploited - it has been exploited for many years - it's called "the slng shot effect" and you can experience it yourself by using a rubber band to shoot paper clips toward a magnet. If you get the trajectory just right, you can watch the paper clip change direction and accellerate as it goes past the (powerful) magnet. NASA has used this method repeatedly. The science is rather precise and well known. By using the gravity well, or what ever other name you wish to call it, space craft swing around one planet, change direction, and accellerate toward another. In this way man has photographically "explored" several planets and launched spacecraft deep into outer space at spees far grater than could have otherwise been achieved with normal fuel loads. Amazingly, some craft that were expected to 'die' long ago are still sending back useful data.

Dogen asks how this relates to gavity and light - Einstein also predicted, and NASA confirmed, that light is also affected by gravity - however, the speed of light does not change due to the change of direction, but it's color does. This, too, has long been understood - for example, when an object is going AWAY from the observer the color shifts toward the red spectrum, and when coming toward the observer the shift is toward the blue spectrum. This is to light much the same as the doppler effect is to sound - in both cases, the speed does not change, but the observed frequency does. This is why the horn on a passing freight seems to change pitch as it goes by a stationary observer.

Thanks, GabbyJim. What you said rang a bell. I think that I have heard of the slingshot effect and gravity wells before. I also have all the parts on hand to conduct my own little experiment, if I can aim correctly.

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Isn't it funny how some devices never fulfill their functions and some go on to be wildly successful? Too bad that the MER project looks like it's downsizing just because NASA is running out of money for it. Those rovers just kept going and going, despite all the odds against them.

http://www.universetoday.com/2008/03/24/spiri...

a new science wrote:

More than six order of magnitude of significant figures?

Amazingly enough, yes. People don't realize just how accurate some of our models are and what it takes to test them.

big deal! My farts break the light speed barrier! When I watch porn movies the motion of my right hand breaks the light speed barrier! My wife never shuts up! When she talks, she breaks the light speed barrier! And don't get me started on the bill collectors, cause you should see how fast it takes the bills to hit my mail box!

Wow, my post broke the lightspeed barrier. It double posted!

Ignoring for the moment the Fencer named Fisk who turned his rapier into a disk, there was a young lady named Bright who could travel much faster than Light. She departed one day, in an Einsteinan way, and returned the previous night - Unlike Jodie Foster who was gone for 18 hours (to make 18 minutes of a Nixon tape blush) but appeared to be gone a mere fraction of a second. It's all in the eye of the beholder - and many like me would like to be the one to hold her - but it IS amazing how accurate science has gotten - and equally mazing that more errors like this are not "jumped on" as some sort of scientific quandry (A quandry, by the way, is like a Yugo - only more interesting and less powerul).