710 tunnel issues

All right, let's put the 710 tunnel alternative to an up or down vote in South Pasadena? More traffic and taxes spent on legal fees, versus a solution that puts the Caltrans owned housing back into private ownership, and doesn't harm the City of South Pasadena.

You won't do that because you will lose, even in South Pasadena? Just like the last set of hard core extemist "anti-freeway" council candidates came in last place....in South Pasadena? There was once a logic to this fight, because there were real issues, now there is none?

Put it to a vote!

go back to whittier

voting means submitting to the will of the electorate. South Pas cares only about nimby-ism.

pave it wrote:

go back to whittier

You may have noticed that posters do not identify their city, this website does this for them, probably based on what their ISP info says. But, in this case this info is inaccurate. I live in So. Pas. and except for a few years away during grad school, have been here since 1968.

pave it wrote:

voting means submitting to the will of the electorate. South Pas cares only about nimby-ism.

If your home and others in your neighborhood were to fall victim to eminent domain for an above-ground freeway, you'd quickly change your tune. So, let's get real and step off your self-righteous pedestal and stop deluding yourself into believing that you would behave any differently if this project were to impact *your* quality of life.

South Pasadena residence are a bunch of whiners and always have been. A Bulldoser should flatten the entire city just for the hell of it. With their corrupt Police Department and rally round the flag attitude of its citizens. It just makes one want to Puke. Its about time somebody drag that silly "berg" into the 21st Century.

many people HAVE had to give up their homes!!! what do you think east LA went thru? or south LA? its for the betterment of the region. tho i would not like a tunnel, if it was the most direct route to Pas from the 710, then i would take it.

Cal trans needs to continue buying up land and build a freeway instead. as much as i like detouring up fremont i would rather go direct.

if the price was right i would give up my home.

not the one wrote:

many people HAVE had to give up their homes!!! what do you think east LA went thru? or south LA? its for the betterment of the region. tho i would not like a tunnel, if it was the most direct route to Pas from the 710, then i would take it.
Cal trans needs to continue buying up land and build a freeway instead. as much as i like detouring up fremont i would rather go direct.
if the price was right i would give up my home.

Hey, "not the one." Well, we've been there, done that. We were forced to move once as a result of urban renewal. It worked out for us, but for those in So. Pas. who would lose their homes for a freeway, So. Pas. is small and there is really no more room for development. These folks would have to give up, most likely, living in So. Pas. And, in my opinion, nothing else around is like this city. You'd have to live here for awhile to fully appreciate and understand this.

If Cal Trans wants to pay me 3 or 4x the price of my home, then I'm open to talks.

Interestingly, during the time I've been reading other posts here and replying to them, I am no longer opposed to a 710 tunnel as it will affect our city very little. However, I still think that only a very small proportion of people in each of the cities will actually derive any benefit .

re:John Hedbloom in Burbank.
Let's assume for a minute that Burbank Airport floats plans to expand and build another runway
and that this runway would take your property away from you in the process. I wonder if you would have the guts to put your money where your mouth is and the smarts to organize an effective defense? I doubt it. You would take your eminent domain money and move on, with your tail between your legs. By the way, you should be using the 5 or
170 to head south anyways. Oh, but they are croweded too?! hmmmm. Freeways sure are the answer aren't they Mr. Burbankian.

South Pas to everyone else: "suckers!"

This battle has gone on for 30+ years. The NIMBY mentality is sad. The people who live in South Pasadena enjoy the freedoms of free travel through every other city that has a freeway through it. I find it hilarious that the complaint on the tunnel here is that it would increase traffic through South Pasadena from people avoiding the tunnel. Did it cross your mind all the people who would use the tunnel drive through your town every day? South Pasadena is Impossible to negotiate from 6-9 and 3-6 every weekday. Do you people come out of your houses? I think to prove your altruistic tendencies you should never drive on a freeway anywhere the rest of your life. Live the South Pasadena ideal of making the drive to San Diego a 6 hour venture-on the best day. I wish I could say you have your head in the sand-it appears to be in another place.

let the freeway cross south pasadea, traffic is real bad in so. pasadena! most of these drivers are asians, just messing up this once beautiful city. so pave it!!!!

I would like to know if earthquake safety issues will be taken into consideration. No one ever address this when speaking of feasibility studies. Is this issue part of the studies? Ever been in the Lincoln Tunnel when it is leaking? Very scary

Pat wrote:

I would like to know if earthquake safety issues will be taken into consideration. No one ever address this when speaking of feasibility studies. Is this issue part of the studies? Ever been in the Lincoln Tunnel when it is leaking? Very scary

I am sure that these types of issues will be addressed in the study. It sounds like there are only going to be 2 access points to this tunnel? At Valley Blvd. and near Huntington Hospital? I would hope that this would not be the case, for safety/emergency reasons. There are 4 (or more?) proposed huge exhaust blowers. However, will these be adequate to clear the air in the tunnel should a car crash and start a gasoline fire while other motorists are stuck inside of it? And, how about medics' access to people injured in accidents inside of the tunnel? Luckily the north end of the tunnel would be at/near Huntington Hospital. And, as you indicated, I, too, would fear people being stuck in that tunnel if/when an earthquake should strike. I hope they have Caltech scientists on the study.
And, I wonder if increasing the number of access points to the tunnel would decrease street traffic because motorists could exit the tunnel closer to their ultimate destinations?
I'm trying to have a more balanced perspective about this issue, and this feasibility report may help assuage some of my reservations; provided that these individuals do their jobs honorably.

I am tired of hearing about the 710 extension. Just build it. The traffic is a mess. After 40 years of fighting just pick a route and start moving dirt. I feel sorry for the residents but every community in So. Calif. has freeways in it. If you don't like it move to Vermont.

The lunatic fringe continue to argue about eminent domain and giving up houses to complete the 710. But, the Tunnel means that no one will have to give up any homes or businesses. This is the kind of irrational arguments that say a tunnel 250 feet below the city will somehow "destroy" South Pasadena. It's kind of strange, and most people in South Pasadena are willing to consider the tunnel is my bet. Because most people in South Pasadena are sick of the traffic on Fair Oaks too? So let's put it to a vote?

I'm not surprised about the negativity coming from you Mary Ann your from South Pasadena these are very self serving statements. You folks down there in South Pasadena think your better than all the other people that have paid the price for progress. The 210 extension went through peoples homes and livelihoods not under it. You think that somehow the land the rest of the freeways that people from South Pasadena use was empty unused land. Nothing is perfect, at least someone is trying to address the issue instead of standing in the way. I wish they would just cut a 1/4 mile wide path from the 10 freeway to the 210 freeway and make the 710 happen. I would even pay more taxes to see that happen and then I will drive on it just for the heck of it.

you are right building a tunnel is economically unfeasble lets just build a freeway on top of the ground.

Glendale within 1 mile of Pasadena, not Burbank. Nuff said!
I lived in So. Pasadena when trains ran through town. People knew in the early 1950s that a freeway through town was coming and that it was desirable. When did you wake up? After you bought property in So. Pas.? Did you buy there when some sleazy real estate agent told you that there will never be a freeway there? Fool!
Selfish people always want someone else to give up something for their own benefit. So. Pas. has
taken and taken since the first freeway in the country "bisected" the city. The 110 seems only to have been of benefit. Quick freeway access has always been an advantage. Some close-minded people would rather go back to horses and buggies.

end the madness wrote:

Time all traffic lights in adjoining communities to back up traffic into south pas. Station traffic enforcement from other cities at all egress routes from south pas for enhanced enforcement.

Alhambra tried that. They also let streets decay to try "demonstrate" the "need" for the extension. All they managed to do was turn a charming small town into an ugly, miserable place. They have gotten smarter recently, and Freemont is starting to look downright attractive in some spots.

Cars -- especially gas cars -- suck. Making more space for more cars just means more cars.