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Jeff E

Eureka, CA

Aren't vegans concerned about the animal cells in decomposting manure that their precious vegetables are grown in?

No telling how many micro organisms are mixed in with their lettuce!

Heh- Heh-Heh

Eureka, CA

3 choices - animal, vegi, mineral.
Very difficult to be absolute.

Electric Slide

Santiago, Chile

Jeff E wrote:

Let's look at some of the disasters & calamities around the world we need to worry about shall we ?
A national deficit that threatens to strangle our economy for a generation, for God's sake - it was 175 BILLION dollars last MONTH alone !
Wars in Afghanistan & Iraq where Americans are dying. Global warming that the Chicken Littles tell us will destroy the world in (pick one) 10, 20 or 50 years. A run amok medicare program that will be bankrupt in 10 years. A Social Security program that will be bankrupt in less than 20 years. A resurgent China that is starting to poke its nose in areas around the world. A Russia which seems to be getting ready to invade Georgia again. Iran is on the verge of getting nuclear weapons. Starvation & disease in the continent of Africa increases no matter how many hundreds of billions of dollars the world spends there.
And yet some vegetarian looney birds (not Dave) are worried about vegetarian WINE ?
I don't know whether to laugh or cry. For surely our society has truely become decadent & week. Our country is DOOMED !

Spending 24 hours a day on the topic of world peace and global financial regeneration would be exhausting and probably make anyone insane. We still have to have lives. And yes, we still can focus on the events in life that "really matter," but we do have to leave time for ourselves and our other beliefs and passions. Ask yourself, "do i have a decadent guilty pleasure?" The answer is most likely yes. Are you going to give it up. Probably not.

And, no, I am not a vegetarian. I do, however, love wine. That is my pleasure. And I will not give it up.

Respect.

anonymous

Eureka, CA

No one is standing in anyone else's way.
Don't ingest anything you yourself don't produce. Don't expect the rest of the world to adhere to your dietary standards and all will be fine.
It's true many people probably don't know exactly what goes into the wine making process but most people probably don't care.
If it matters to you, don't ingest anything produced by the outside world.

hmmm

Eureka, CA

The fry story is hardly bogus.
And when you walk around the corner and see a vegetarian munching on fries, how is that insensitive and rude?
Should I have prewarned her about all ingredients in all foods on the chance she may eat them?
No, it's up to her to do her own research.
And your mind gives your body what it wants.
I think it would've been better if each of you had remained silent and thought a fool......

Heh- Heh-Heh

Eureka, CA

Electric Slide wrote:

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Spending 24 hours a day on the topic of world peace and global financial regeneration would be exhausting and probably make anyone insane. We still have to have lives. And yes, we still can focus on the events in life that "really matter," but we do have to leave time for ourselves and our other beliefs and passions. Ask yourself, "do i have a decadent guilty pleasure?" The answer is most likely yes. Are you going to give it up. Probably not.
And, no, I am not a vegetarian. I do, however, love wine. That is my pleasure. And I will not give it up.
Respect.

I agree.
Why worry about the problems of the world? Worry solves nothing. For those who are passionately concerned there are actions that can be taken.
A lot of people I know over the years have expressed a deep concern for the many problems in the world but when asked what they are doing to possibly help solve some of them they usually have many excuses as why they cannot help.

Do I have concerns, certainly. Do I do anything positive? In little ways I do what I can but I'm very realistic and realize most problems of a world nature need to be solved by governments.
So I do not waste my time on worry.
Life is short so enjoy.

From Arcata

United States

Carbon is carbon. It is no longer an animal. Even a vegan's prius relies on carbon. From fuel to the brushes in the electric motors to carbon fiber parts. There is carbon dioxide in the air we breathe! Life in denial is so "healthy"......not.

BGHOZ

San Leandro, CA

Oh my gosh....segregation?!?

Realist

Oakland, CA

hmmm wrote:

The fry story ...
No, it's up to her to do her own research.
...

Exactly.

If the fry-eater was vegan, she should have been aware that fries are (go figure) fried, and that the oil that things are fried in is sometimes animal product. Every vegan or vegetarian I know is well aware of this, and knows to ask "what is that fried in" before ordering.

If you go to a mainstream restaurant, and have non-mainstream dietary preferences, do not expect those preferences to be catered to. You'll have to do your own research as to what meets your dietary requirements and what doesn't. Ask about animal content. If they can't tell you, don't eat it. It probably has some animal product somewhere in the process.
If you don't want to have to do the research, or ask about ingredients, there are restaurants out there that cater to the vegetarian/vegan lifestyle, that may be more to your preference.

Nimby

Oakland, CA

I was gonna trash you Dave for writting such an inane article, but it looks like 49 people beat me to it.
Get a life.

Heh- Heh-Heh

Eureka, CA

How many of you have ever been in the news business? I ask because I have and many times news articles are written in order to get reactions.
The various people involved, editors, producers, reporters, etc do this in order to keep or increase a readership or TV viewing base.
They don't even agree with what they are putting out there, it's business.

Julie

Oakland, CA

hey hmmmm. Your earlier post made it sounds like you knew she was a vegan and you knew the fries had lard, so if that was the case I think that would be bad. But from your later post, it doesn't sound like that at all. I agree with Realist and you, that people need to be their own dietary advocate.

anonymous

Arcata, CA

Carl Young wrote:

I quote "The charcoal used to remove impurities and odors from wine is frequently made from animal bones."
Just lovely, more crap in our food and beverage chain. I'm hopeful all concerned address their "fining" processes.
These folks should be ashamed, thank you for bringing this information to our attention.

Isn't carbon just a base element. I don't know how "blood" would be present in something that has been turned to charcoal. At that point it is nothing more than a base element weather it came from a tree or bones, chemically there is no difference.

A lot of vegetarians complain about how we don't utilize the parts of the animals like the american indians did, and then when we do, they complain about that.

Carbon is carbon is carbon, no matter what it's source. Would you rather all the "extras" of the animals just be thrown out and wasted?

I'm sure you would rather animals not be used at all, but that is totally unrealistic, so isn't it better that everything is utilized rather than wasted, which would contribute to even more animals dieing?

anonymous

Arcata, CA

And to the vegetarian and vegan indoor pot growers out there....

Where do you think the carbon came from in your carbon scrubbers???

hmmm

Blue Lake, CA

Julie wrote:

hey hmmmm. Your earlier post made it sounds like you knew she was a vegan and you knew the fries had lard, so if that was the case I think that would be bad. But from your later post, it doesn't sound like that at all. I agree with Realist and you, that people need to be their own dietary advocate.

Actually, the first post didn't sound that way.
"I saw her eating" doesn't mean "I saw her about to eat"

Julie

Oakland, CA

I thought it sounded that way. Please don't claim that my thoughts are somehow wrong. It was my impression, and you have yours.

Dave

Eureka, CA

Nimby wrote:

I was gonna trash you Dave for writting such an inane article, but it looks like 49 people beat me to it.
Get a life.

Looks like your the one that needs to get a life Nimby.

You have nothing intelligent to say so you resort to childish troll talk about an article you didn't even have to read.
That's pathetic.

Take a closer look at this comment section Nimby...if you do you'll see you're coming off as a churlish child. There's readers who appreciate learning things - and then there are people like you Nimby.
Alone and trying to get attention by being a brat.

Dave

Eureka, CA

Heh- Heh-Heh wrote:

How many of you have ever been in the news business? I ask because I have and many times news articles are written in order to get reactions.
The various people involved, editors, producers, reporters, etc do this in order to keep or increase a readership or TV viewing base.
They don't even agree with what they are putting out there, it's business.

How do you know they don't even agree with it? Your source?

If you've been in the news business then you know that News articles are different than Opinion pieces, and the latter are certainly apt to get good or bad reactions.
That's what happens when someone brings a subject up that can be argued both ways.

All news medias are struggling to get out the news to an increasingly dumbed down American readership that has a short attention span.

Sound bytes on TV are rapidly replacing reading newspapers.

Yes, in the end it's just a news business...and it's in danger of extinction.

Wonderz

San Francisco, CA

Dave wrote:

<quoted text>
How do you know they don't even agree with it? Your source?
If you've been in the news business then you know that News articles are different than Opinion pieces, and the latter are certainly apt to get good or bad reactions.
That's what happens when someone brings a subject up that can be argued both ways.
All news medias are struggling to get out the news to an increasingly dumbed down American readership that has a short attention span.
Sound bytes on TV are rapidly replacing reading newspapers.
Yes, in the end it's just a news business...and it's in danger of extinction.

Yes, I heard that Rush Limbaugh doesn't believe what he spouts. He does it to get the attention, so he can get the listeners, so the advertisers will pay him boodles of money. I wish I could confirm the source of that piece of trivia. Anyone else heard that? If that's true, just imagine how hard he's sitting back and laughing at his target audience. I mean, this is the same guy that for years ripped on drug addicts, didn't matter what kind, you were scum if you were a drug addict. Then, of course, he gets caught being one. The fact that he has any credibility after that episode alone, shows how intelligent his audience is.

Yes, it's a business. Which is why a critical thinker has to synthesize information from many different sources before forming opinions.

Heh- Heh-Heh

Eureka, CA

Dave wrote:

<quoted text>
How do you know they don't even agree with it? Your source?
If you've been in the news business then you know that News articles are different than Opinion pieces, and the latter are certainly apt to get good or bad reactions.
That's what happens when someone brings a subject up that can be argued both ways.
All news medias are struggling to get out the news to an increasingly dumbed down American readership that has a short attention span.
Sound bytes on TV are rapidly replacing reading newspapers.
Yes, in the end it's just a news business...and it's in danger of extinction.

I could have worded my response better, I also could have went into a very long definitive explanation of each area of news. I used news as an all inclusive word.
As for they don't agree I should have said some/many don't always agree, etc.
I don't bother with long posts and if I do not always explain completely so be it.
OK.

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