Two get plea deal in deadly brawl

Good Ole Boy wrote:

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Make it clear bubba luver,5 too 10 is not a little weed.

Another RAT. Summit Hill, doesn't suprise me one ounce. Come and join the party, I am shure you can TAKE it.

Get your facts straight, the Higgins were never in the pizza shop. The punks started the whole thing when they got drunk, stole some beer so they could drink more and they threw a container at Mr. Higgins car. Even after a guy in the pizza shop told them to leave Mr. Higgins alone and after his son told them he had a heart condition they attacked the son. What the papers don't report is all of the prior convictions these scumbags have. These are NOT innocent up standing citizens of the community. They need to be punished for their actions.
Think of this. If it hadn't been the Higgins in their path that day it could have been YOUR FAMILY. And maybe it wouldn't have happened that day, it could have been another day. These guys were out for trouble and they have devastated a family forever because of their action and the decisions they made. They show no remorse for what happened, none what so ever. There's something seriously wrong with that.

Ahem wrote:

It said that the younger Higgins went back to look for his father when he realized that the dad wasn't following him.
It also said that the older Higgins went back to the pizza shop where he blamed the two older guys for supposedly pouring their 'ice tea' on his car.
???
Really? Why not just wash it off?
You had already left the place...
now you're dead.
Dumb.
Especially if you got your @ss beat doing it.

Where were the Palmerton police, maybe Mr Higgins didn't call them but other witnesses did and they didn't get there in time to prevent this even though the police baracks is only a few blocks away.

Ahem wrote:

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Karma, my @ss!
There is no such thing as Karma except in Karmann Ghia.
I suppose that you don't eat meat because you think its your Uncle Harry reincarnated???
As for what respect I do have, I WAS a law enforcement officer and arrested over 400 people for varying violations of the law.
I'm certified to know what true legal 'respect' and 'rights' Mr. Higgins has and had before he made the mistake of having a physical confrontation that caused his unfortunate death.
It was NOT his business to extract justice himself.
It was his business to identify these jerks to the police that he should have called to the scene to deal with their behavior.
If you don't believe me, ask the cops and DA.
What happened was stupid on all their parts, but he lost his life.
He won't recover from a mistake like what happened, and neither will his family, sadly.
I deal with idiots in Allentown all the time as a civilian, and I don't do what he did, even when I would love to. My PR neighbors have been telling me for years that I can get shot just for telling someone to lower the noise. I always call the police to be there when its happening. When they come, I'm alive.
I don't punch people over something that I can wash off my car with water in five minutes.
With drunk jerks, you don't throw matches, they're already like gasoline.

Ahem wrote:

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Karma, my @ss!
There is no such thing as Karma except in Karmann Ghia.
I suppose that you don't eat meat because you think its your Uncle Harry reincarnated???
As for what respect I do have, I WAS a law enforcement officer and arrested over 400 people for varying violations of the law.
I'm certified to know what true legal 'respect' and 'rights' Mr. Higgins has and had before he made the mistake of having a physical confrontation that caused his unfortunate death.
It was NOT his business to extract justice himself.
It was his business to identify these jerks to the police that he should have called to the scene to deal with their behavior.
If you don't believe me, ask the cops and DA.
What happened was stupid on all their parts, but he lost his life.
He won't recover from a mistake like what happened, and neither will his family, sadly.
I deal with idiots in Allentown all the time as a civilian, and I don't do what he did, even when I would love to. My PR neighbors have been telling me for years that I can get shot just for telling someone to lower the noise. I always call the police to be there when its happening. When they come, I'm alive.
I don't punch people over something that I can wash off my car with water in five minutes.
With drunk jerks, you don't throw matches, they're already like gasoline.

you "were", which means you probably got canned because of your ignorance! Why dont you do everyone a favor and take your old service pistol and shut yourself up for good! Becasue i would love to then come in here and tell everyone "ding dong, the d*ck is dead"

This is a travesty of justice in the Lehigh Valley. When a person is murdered on a public street in America and the punishment is as few as two to four years in prison; make no mistake, this was murder; not involuntary manslaughter, not simple assault and reckless endangerment; IT WAS MURDER. It does not matter where this incident happened, it does not matter who even started this violent engagement, what matters is that he was a sixty-three year old ex-Marine, husband to a now grieving widow and defenseless against three individuals between the ages of fifteen and thirty. It is my unrest hope that Carbon County Judge David W. Addy will be found wanting as a sitting judge, anyone who would go along with such an erroneous conclusion of punishment should forth with be dismissed from their position of authority. To Attorney Brian Collins, I hope your thirty pieces of silver help to clear your conscience of the fact that you essentially helped Mr. Joseph Roscioli & Mr. Michael Harrison get away with murder, you sir are almost as equal to Judas Iscariot. You betrayed justice for a few coin; may the nemesis of soulless greed become your conscience, may you never know a moment’s piece. Assistant District Attorney Michael S. Greek probably had his hands tied, the shame is that it seem to be that way more times then not, just because sir it is your job to sit there from time to time and take the best deal, still does not make it right. You should have done more. Lastly, to the Higgins family, I believe that your grief in this most terrible of circumstances has clouded your judgment and for anyone to prey on that like a Mr. Collins did most despicably, or allow such an action most cowardly like Judge David W. Addy make them nothing short then judicial parasites. To the Higgins family, my deepest condolences for your loss.

It is no wonder now of days there are more and more law abiding citizens who stringently fight for better second amendment rights in order to protect themselves against harm, the same harm our courts and appointed judges lack to do at what seems to be every turn and a growing trend to “Punish the victim, and reward the criminal”. I for one will no longer live under that yolk. As long as there is life left in me, and I am, able to write and let my voice be counted, then I will no longer be silent, and will post haste voice my distain of a growing and ever faltering disillusioned criminal justice system that both Judge David W. Addy conduct, and the promise of wealth of what the golden calf offers and that which Attorney Brain Collins serves, the same system that holds more contempt for those law abiding citizens who try and protect themselves rather then the criminal. By working in conjunction and passing anti gun laws that do nothing but infringe on the average law abiding man or woman and their rights to life and liberty; rather then a show of equal measure against those who would erode the core of our fundamental freedoms. This would not have happened if Mr. Higgins, Jr. was in his twenties and armed. This sickening display of what I perceive to be the prelude of judicial anarchy is more then its face appearance, it is the right to protection of property and self-protection, the upholding of our judicial and ethical responsibility and not wavering in the face of a plea agreement, and adequately punishing the guilty for their convicted crime rather then reducing their drunken blind rage to nothing more then a sickness caused by social up-bringing and down playing the full measure of the crime, which in this case was murder.

amen

Justice wrote:

Apparently you have no respect for someone who is dead. We understand that you would not have stopped your car to see what was going on. If your father was following you and then disappeared wouldn't you go back to see where he was?<quoted text>

Justice,

Do you know if any additional charges were filed for the assault of Mr. Higgins son? And if so were they dropped with the plea bargain deal?
This is outragous!

Second Amendment wrote:

This is a travesty of justice in the Lehigh Valley. When a person is murdered on a public street in America and the punishment is as few as two to four years in prison; make no mistake, this was murder; not involuntary manslaughter, not simple assault and reckless endangerment; IT WAS MURDER. It does not matter where this incident happened, it does not matter who even started this violent engagement, what matters is that he was a sixty-three year old ex-Marine, husband to a now grieving widow and defenseless against three individuals between the ages of fifteen and thirty. It is my unrest hope that Carbon County Judge David W. Addy will be found wanting as a sitting judge, anyone who would go along with such an erroneous conclusion of punishment should forth with be dismissed from their position of authority. To Attorney Brian Collins, I hope your thirty pieces of silver help to clear your conscience of the fact that you essentially helped Mr. Joseph Roscioli & Mr. Michael Harrison get away with murder, you sir are almost as equal to Judas Iscariot. You betrayed justice for a few coin; may the nemesis of soulless greed become your conscience, may you never know a moment’s piece. Assistant District Attorney Michael S. Greek probably had his hands tied, the shame is that it seem to be that way more times then not, just because sir it is your job to sit there from time to time and take the best deal, still does not make it right. You should have done more. Lastly, to the Higgins family, I believe that your grief in this most terrible of circumstances has clouded your judgment and for anyone to prey on that like a Mr. Collins did most despicably, or allow such an action most cowardly like Judge David W. Addy make them nothing short then judicial parasites. To the Higgins family, my deepest condolences for your loss.
It is no wonder now of days there are more and more law abiding citizens who stringently fight for better second amendment rights in order to protect themselves against harm, the same harm our courts and appointed judges lack to do at what seems to be every turn and a growing trend to “Punish the victim, and reward the criminal”. I for one will no longer live under that yolk. As long as there is life left in me, and I am, able to write and let my voice be counted, then I will no longer be silent, and will post haste voice my distain of a growing and ever faltering disillusioned criminal justice system that both Judge David W. Addy conduct, and the promise of wealth of what the golden calf offers and that which Attorney Brain Collins serves, the same system that holds more contempt for those law abiding citizens who try and protect themselves rather then the criminal. By working in conjunction and passing anti gun laws that do nothing but infringe on the average law abiding man or woman and their rights to life and liberty; rather then a show of equal measure against those who would erode the core of our fundamental freedoms. This would not have happened if Mr. Higgins, Jr. was in his twenties and armed. This sickening display of what I perceive to be the prelude of judicial anarchy is more then its face appearance, it is the right to protection of property and self-protection, the upholding of our judicial and ethical responsibility and not wavering in the face of a plea agreement, and adequately punishing the guilty for their convicted crime rather then reducing their drunken blind rage to nothing more then a sickness caused by social up-bringing and down playing the full measure of the crime, which in this case was murder.

Well said 2nd. Did you see the case similiar to this, today, Andrew Gulich was sentenced to 24 months for the murder of Sean Mitchell. These plea bargains to murders so appalling and obscene.

The aggravated assault charges were dropped but the simple assault charges were not the way I understand it. They also pleaded to reckless endangerment. 2 counts meaning it took into consideration both of the Higgins'

engima wrote:

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Justice,
Do you know if any additional charges were filed for the assault of Mr. Higgins son? And if so were they dropped with the plea bargain deal?
This is outragous!

engima wrote:

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Well said 2nd. Did you see the case similiar to this, today, Andrew Gulich was sentenced to 24 months for the murder of Sean Mitchell. These plea bargains to murders so appalling and obscene.

I had the unfortunate privilege in meeting with Andrew Gulich at a party held at a mutual friend’s home just a couple days after his released from the hospital on a drug overdose situation after the murder of Sean Mitchell. He actually had the audacity to brag about the incident explaining how easy it was to kill someone, which made everyone attending the gathering uncomfortable. This monster has no soul, the tears he said he cried was just a veil to disguise his true face, which is nothing short of evil. Moreover, to add to his disgusting boasting of his crime, he exclaimed how the prospect of prison did not frighten him, that he was a real man. Nevertheless, all little boys cry wolf when their most afraid, we will see how boastful he is now when the cell door closes at night; “night-night princess”, there’s a phrase he will get used to soon at night. He stole everything this young man was, could have been, and had the potential of being. In essence, he destroyed an entire universe of possibilities without remorse for a most heinous action. However, what is the scary thing is that his brother is cut from the same cloth and is destine for phenomenal things such as drug addiction, and murder; I say this because he as well joined in the revelry of Mr. Gulich and his boastful attitude towards the murder of Sean Mitchell on the night of the party.

Vote pro Right to Carry.

You should post this on the comments made about Andrew Gulich's trial. Apparently the police haven't decided how to charge his brother for what happened outside of the court room. today

Second Amendment wrote:

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I had the unfortunate privilege in meeting with Andrew Gulich at a party held at a mutual friend’s home just a couple days after his released from the hospital on a drug overdose situation after the murder of Sean Mitchell. He actually had the audacity to brag about the incident explaining how easy it was to kill someone, which made everyone attending the gathering uncomfortable. This monster has no soul, the tears he said he cried was just a veil to disguise his true face, which is nothing short of evil. Moreover, to add to his disgusting boasting of his crime, he exclaimed how the prospect of prison did not frighten him, that he was a real man. Nevertheless, all little boys cry wolf when their most afraid, we will see how boastful he is now when the cell door closes at night; “night-night princess”, there’s a phrase he will get used to soon at night. He stole everything this young man was, could have been, and had the potential of being. In essence, he destroyed an entire universe of possibilities without remorse for a most heinous action. However, what is the scary thing is that his brother is cut from the same cloth and is destine for phenomenal things such as drug addiction, and murder; I say this because he as well joined in the revelry of Mr. Gulich and his boastful attitude towards the murder of Sean Mitchell on the night of the party.
Vote pro Right to Carry.

MISTERJINGLES wrote:

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you "were", which means you probably got canned because of your ignorance! Why dont you do everyone a favor and take your old service pistol and shut yourself up for good! Becasue i would love to then come in here and tell everyone "ding dong, the d*ck is dead"

'Were' was because it didn't pay well enough, non-psychic!
As far as the rest of your jerkoff answer, KMA!

Kelly wrote:

Get your facts straight, the Higgins were never in the pizza shop. The punks started the whole thing when they got drunk, stole some beer so they could drink more and they threw a container at Mr. Higgins car. Even after a guy in the pizza shop told them to leave Mr. Higgins alone and after his son told them he had a heart condition they attacked the son. What the papers don't report is all of the prior convictions these scumbags have. These are NOT innocent up standing citizens of the community. They need to be punished for their actions.
Think of this. If it hadn't been the Higgins in their path that day it could have been YOUR FAMILY. And maybe it wouldn't have happened that day, it could have been another day. These guys were out for trouble and they have devastated a family forever because of their action and the decisions they made. They show no remorse for what happened, none what so ever. There's something seriously wrong with that.
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'to the pizza shop' didn't mean 'in the pizza shop'!
Higgins HAD to go back to the place where these offensive idiots were...outside the pizza shop where they had thrown the iced tea at his car.
Are you NOT 'with it' today or what?

He never went BACK to the pizza shop because he never pulled out from the stop light where the carton was thrown at his car. His son turned around and came BACK to look for his father.

Ahem wrote:

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'to the pizza shop' didn't mean 'in the pizza shop'!
Higgins HAD to go back to the place where these offensive idiots were...outside the pizza shop where they had thrown the iced tea at his car.
Are you NOT 'with it' today or what?

ahem,
for a former LEO your ignorance is amazing but hey, keep blathering Mr. Higgins was a combat vet that protected your right to blather...
cheers

Tired of it wrote:

ahem,
for a former LEO your ignorance is amazing but hey, keep blathering Mr. Higgins was a combat vet that protected your right to blather...
cheers

Since I am a former LEO and am still certified to know when and how to use deadly force legally, I'd say that I have the certitude to make my comments about what went down between the parties involved. And becoming a victim as a result of your own misconduct doesn't validate your behavior after the fact. So giving me emotionally driven goofy responses to my comments doesn't have a place in the 'use of force' arguments that govern the parties' conduct.
Why is it that you had to bring up a non-point like his being a vet?
Did make him more noble in death here? Am I supposed to kiss his butt and salute too? Or yours?
I'm confused, why?

Kelly wrote:

He never went BACK to the pizza shop because he never pulled out from the stop light where the carton was thrown at his car. His son turned around and came BACK to look for his father.
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WHO CARES?!
What does that point have to do with what MY point was?
Talk about majoring in the minors.

Karma wrote:

So calling the man dumb, desecrating the dead is part of your so called good somaritan like conduct? Also insulting a religion, which I am Christian, however nonetheless is a slur part of your humanitarian behavior?? WOW...I have a hard time believing you were an officer of the law, and if you were I am SURE you were corrupt. All your prejudices would have hindered your decisions. A simple question why did you throw that was asked. Most people would have done that. Hindsight is 20/20 and I can't believe that the majority of people would have dialed 911 before holding the cupable for their actions JUST by asking why. Mr. Higgins', I'm sure, did not know they were drunk. BTW they passed the breathalizer rendering them able to drive. It was stated earlier. You are one he** of a detective since you listen to all the facts.
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How is it that you're a christian and commenting for karma?
Are you nuts?
OK, lets look at your goofy logic...
1.) you are sure that I was corrupt
Based on what? My citing the law?
2.)All my prejudices shaped my
opinion?
I have certifications as a LEO,
as a DJ, and as a Lethal Weapons
Agent in the state of Pa.
I didn't offer my opinions,
I explained the laws.
But since you don't know anything
about it, you have only your
unlearned, uninformed opinion to
hang on to.
3.)When there's four rowdy men
throwing ice tea at your car and
acting up, a sober man would stop
and consider what he's getting
into by himself, not just jump
into a fight.
He would also call the cops and
wait for them, then have the
upper hand to see that he was
compensated for his trouble.
It happens everyday, everywhere.
Just like that, no people die and
the victims aren't arested with
the bad guys. Logically.
4.)"Mr. Higgins, I'm sure, did not
know they were drunk".
Really? How would you know for a
fact if they were hauled in for
underage drinking and furnishing
alcohol to minors and corruption
of minors for supplying a bottle
of tequila .
5.)"BTW they passed the breathalizer
rendering them able to drive".
This article is the only one
that I read so if you read
something somewhere else, it
doesn't matter to me. The fact
remains that these 4 perps were
drinking at the time, and 2
illegally as minors.
If, after some time later,
they passed a breathalyzer and
could drive, its not relevent to
their conduct at the time of the
incident when they were more
under the influence. If you knew
when they were tested, and how,
it might make a difference, but
since they weren't driving at
the time, its a non-point.
6.) Since the article says,
"Police say the older Higgins had
gotten out of his car and accused
Roscioli, Harrison and two 15-
year-olds of throwing a carton of
iced tea on his car near a
pizzeria. Some witnesses said
Higgins, an ex-Marine who saw
combat duty in Vietnam, threw the
first punches, and was knocked to
the ground twice -- once by
Roscioli and once by Harrison --
before a customer at the pizzeria
told Roscioli and the teens to
leave", I'd say hindsight isn't
necessary in saying that Higgins
was a hothead who took matters
into his own hands and it
escalated when his son showed up.
He fell, landed wrong, and died.
It is terrible thing to have happen, but it was almost all Higgins' fault for not using good judgement with obvious bad guys.
The law was on Higgins' side, but he disobeyed it and got the worst of it.
Find something wrong with this, it is the way the law is written and enforced.

self righteousness must feel pretty good judging from your self serving responses... you are all those things you mentioned, that and your insistent 'blathering' proves to all on this board that you sir think most highly of yourself... trouble is people like you will never realize what others see when judging you... to you, you are the only correct one and if others don't see it, you can't understand nor do you care. This is a perfect recipe for an a$$hat... Mr. Higgins is someone you don't know, you did not know his character, yes I did... you make snap judgements based on what you see on the surface... yet you are correct! Just ask yourself, you will be glad to tell yourself just how correct you are..God it even seems you write in prose... tell me where to mail the mirror and I will also mail you a crowbar to get that stick out of your self righteous a$$. But please, I know you have more because you are sooooo correct and need everyone to see your points... carry on, we all are waiting on baited breath!!!!!!

oh, btw... while you are running at the mouth, not that you probably care but I also know for a fact that higgins widow and rest of the family reads these comments, so continue... I am sure that you can kick her some more... because the truth shall set her free correct?