jesse ventura conspiracy theory epsiode ozark mo

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417icon

New Town, ND

#1 Jul 2, 2012
yes thats right ...jesse ventura came to ozark mo investigating all the banks moving in to town and maybe a connection between pensmore mansion and an underground city being built nearby <springfield underground maybe?>. you can listen to his interview with eric mancow muller at mancowdotcom. Get an earfull then sound off
cometland

Euless, TX

#2 Jul 3, 2012
An underground city? Come on....
Maybe

Liberty, MO

#3 Jul 8, 2012
With the jesseter, you never know?
417icon

Rapid City, SD

#6 Sep 16, 2012
jesse did it again!!!!!!!! hes promoting the ozark mo episode of his "conspiracy theories" program as his headline topic.....cant wait to see the information!!!!!
Bryan Malcom

Chester, WV

#7 Sep 20, 2012
Billions of taxpayer dollars have been spent on underground facilities in the past 10 years. This is nothing new, but the public should know.
charles wood

United States

#8 Nov 26, 2012
We have paid for all of these facilities, so people that's never worked a day in there life can live good forever, I'm preparing best I can for war!!!
syndi

Orem, UT

#9 Nov 26, 2012
I have been to this so called underground city... its there but its not what Jesse is making it out to be.. we delivered products to a company there.. its just storage warehousing. Its cheaper and colder to store parishsbles there then to build a frozen cold storage above ground. I was freaked out when I seen the place.. I don't like tight places.. yes armistice can drive in there trains can also. Its just a maze of cold storage facilities!
Watched the show

Waco, TX

#10 Nov 26, 2012
I was wondering why with as much as he just goes wherever he wants-he didn't knock on any doors there. Also, he needed an escort to go see a building being constructed, but could just drive into an underground complex? Cmon. So no only does he just waltz on in, but he restricts himself on where he goes? Nah. He's got some good info sometimes, but other times I just roll my eyes.
Logan

Minneapolis, MN

#11 Nov 27, 2012
The silly mansion: pensmore dot com

The underground "city": springfieldunderground dot com

The mansion is about 25 miles south of the city.

What's wrong with a world run by one governmental system?

Seems to me the ones who have a problem with it are the mentally ill greedy bigot cavemen.

As long as it's built upon the laws of civilization (i.e. respecting the equal rights of all sentient beings regardless of their form, origins, or lifestyles.) and designed from the perspective that local governments are the highest most involved level. City Councils formed from random selection from local qualified citizens (like jury duty), with each City Council selecting a random council person to Chair(Mayor) the council and represent the city on the County Commission, then the Commission in turn randomly selects one of their commissioners to Chair the Commission and represent the county in the State House of Representative, then the House randomly selects a Representative to Chair the House (Governor) and represent the State on the Federal level in the Senate, then the Senators randomly selects a Senator to chair the Country (President) and represent the country in the UN.

While currently people think the UN would be the highest level of government, they're not, they are the lowest level, all they do is deal with issues between nations, while all the nations do is deal with issues between their states, the States deal with issues between their counties, the Counties deal with issues between their cities, and the cities deal with issues between their citizens.

The laws of Civilization involve 3 domains, Freedom, Peace, and Prosperity. The laws of Freedom are called "Rights", rights are claims to action, they are not claims to things. The laws of Peace are called "Duties", the are obligations you have towards your fellow citizens, these obligations boil down to exercising respect and tolerance of the rights of your fellow citizens. The laws of Prosperity, are the responsibilities you have towards yourself.

There are 5 basic rights, The Rights to: 1) Continue your Existence. 2) Make Decisions regarding your Existence. 3) Take Action on your Decisions. 4) To control the Product of your Actions. and 5) to Defend your Rights. Ultimately all 5 are just restatements of a basis truth: "You are free." But by breaking it down into these different aspects we can better understand what being free, and freedom means.

Duties are the mirror image of Rights. You have the Duty to: 1) Respect the Existence of others. 2) To Respect the Decisions of others and not impose your will upon them through coercion. 3) To not impede their Actions nor allow your actions to Violate their Rights. 4) To not allow the product of your actions to violate the rights of others. and 5) to seek Peaceful resolution to conflicts (The main reason we institute governments for).

The 5 basic Responsibilities of Prosperity are: 1) Exercise your rights. 2) Make your own Decisions based on your values. 3) Act on your Decisions. 4) Control the product of your actions. 5) Protect yourself, legally, physically, mentally, economically. You are a unique being, who has a set of values uniquely formed out of your unique experiences. Don't abdicate your responsibilities to others, least you become their tool, their slave.

These 3 sets of laws make up the laws of civilization, they are the Social Contract. Only those who adhere to these laws are protected by them. Break them and you turn yourself into a barbarian animal subjecting yourself to the laws of the wilds, where might makes right, and it's every man for themselves. We are all humans, all family, and we recognize the survival value of the Social Contract, we've come a long way from swinging in the trees and living in caves, but still there are many who still think they have the right to impose their will upon others, who still think like cavemen.

Isn't it time to put caveman fears to bed and build a civilization?
skuller67

Portland, OR

#12 Nov 27, 2012
logan, you are an idiot, one world government is what you think is a great solutio?, absolute power? communism on a world scale will be the death to all joy in life, eisenhower even knew this, he warned the world of this, under absolute power, you will have no rights you complete brainwashed moron. and you call us cavemen? wow thanks for reminding us all what not to turn into, sorry man but you will answer to Yahweh wether you believe in him or not, read the bible and brush up on the history of the world and ask yourself if absolute power for the entire earth, all earth unions uniting works, wow it's amazing that people like you are still out there, you're like an ancient art masterpiece, i don't fall for the divide and conquer of the 99 vs 1% either but i will never believe what a lemming like you has to say, I follow Christ and the nwo is anti christian and clearly you are too, i could be wrong but just a wild guess, that you don't believe in God, i can't judge you, even though it sounds like i am, and i do apologize for the name calling, but i can't judge you - only Jesus can do that., the truth is if you don't accept Yashua Hamashiach before you die, you will join the one worlders who do not accept Christ who died for us on the cross - remember the old foxhole saying, like if you think you are truly going to die right now, I guarantee you would pray to Christ. think about it logan, think i'm a simpleton? don't care man, i speak the simple everlasting truth

Since: Jul 10

United States

#13 Nov 27, 2012
Logan wrote:
The silly mansion: pensmore dot com

The underground "city": springfieldunderground dot com

The mansion is about 25 miles south of the city.

What's wrong with a world run by one governmental system?

Seems to me the ones who have a problem with it are the mentally ill greedy bigot cavemen.

As long as it's built upon the laws of civilization (i.e. respecting the equal rights of all sentient beings regardless of their form, origins, or lifestyles.) and designed from the perspective that local governments are the highest most involved level. City Councils formed from random selection from local qualified citizens (like jury duty), with each City Council selecting a random council person to Chair(Mayor) the council and represent the city on the County Commission, then the Commission in turn randomly selects one of their commissioners to Chair the Commission and represent the county in the State House of Representative, then the House randomly selects a Representative to Chair the House (Governor) and represent the State on the Federal level in the Senate, then the Senators randomly selects a Senator to chair the Country (President) and represent the country in the UN.

While currently people think the UN would be the highest level of government, they're not, they are the lowest level, all they do is deal with issues between nations, while all the nations do is deal with issues between their states, the States deal with issues between their counties, the Counties deal with issues between their cities, and the cities deal with issues between their citizens.

The laws of Civilization involve 3 domains, Freedom, Peace, and Prosperity. The laws of Freedom are called "Rights", rights are claims to action, they are not claims to things. The laws of Peace are called "Duties", the are obligations you have towards your fellow citizens, these obligations boil down to exercising respect and tolerance of the rights of your fellow citizens. The laws of Prosperity, are the responsibilities you have towards yourself.

There are 5 basic rights, The Rights to: 1) Continue your Existence. 2) Make Decisions regarding your Existence. 3) Take Action on your Decisions. 4) To control the Product of your Actions. and 5) to Defend your Rights. Ultimately all 5 are just restatements of a basis truth: "You are free." But by breaking it down into these different aspects we can better understand what being free, and freedom means.

Duties are the mirror image of Rights. You have the Duty to: 1) Respect the Existence of others. 2) To Respect the Decisions of others and not impose your will upon them through coercion. 3) To not impede their Actions nor allow your actions to Violate their Rights. 4) To not allow the product of your actions to violate the rights of others. and 5) to seek Peaceful resolution to conflicts (The main reason we institute governments for).

Isn't it time to put caveman fears to bed and build a civilization?
I fear people like you. Utopian pipe dreamers who will try to convince the "cavemen" of this world that if we put our trust in the good intentions of others, peace and happiness will prevail. The desire for a benevolent world government that would be none too happy to allow its citizenry to be ruled by happy little town councils is the stuff of fantasy. The failings of man guarantee that such a body could never exist without ushering in servitude for those it claims to govern. Inclusiveness and a desire for absolute peace leads to what we have now....a United Nations that allows some of the most oppressive governments to sit on the human rights council, a United Nations that fails to make distinctions of right and wrong (don't wanna hurt any feelings), and a United Nations that sees the most productive nations as the benefactors for those governments that are "less fortunate", irrespective of those entities' entrenched corruption and oppression.
rmm1776

Newberg, OR

#14 Nov 27, 2012
John Adams
Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Second President of the United States
[I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.)
[W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion.... Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)
The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If "Thou shalt not covet," and "Thou shalt not steal," were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free.
(Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), Vol. VI, p. 9.)
John Quincy Adams
Sixth President of the United States
The law given from Sinai was a civil and municipal as well as a moral and religious code; it contained many statutes ... of universal application-laws essential to the existence of men in society, and most of which have been enacted by every nation which ever professed any code of laws.
There are three points of doctrine the belief of which forms the foundation of all morality. The first is the existence of God; the second is the immortality of the human soul; and the third is a future state of rewards and punishments. Suppose it possible for a man to disbelieve either of these three articles of faith and that man will have no conscience, he will have no other law than that of the tiger or the shark. The laws of man may bind him in chains or may put him to death, but they never can make him wise, virtuous, or happy.
Samuel Adams

Signer of the Declaration of Independence

[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.
Charles Carroll of Carrollton

Signer of the Declaration of Independence

Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime & pure,[and] which denounces against the wicked eternal misery, and [which] insured to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments.

(Source: Bernard C. Steiner, The Life and Correspondence of James McHenry (Cleveland: The Burrows Brothers, 1907), p. 475. In a letter from Charles Carroll to James McHenry of November 4, 1800.)
rmm1776

Newberg, OR

#15 Nov 27, 2012
Ever wonder how people like Logan think the founders were stupid old men,,and never took time to look at how we were formed and why?..they sit back and claim they know it all,,that the founders Ideas are obsolete..well I ask this...they drew on Many former nations from thousands of years to bring forth our nation , a nation still to this day Loved by the very people who want to come here. but Logan thinks 220 years makes our constitution old and obsolete..Just like Obamaites and far left dems. they cant have morality, or freedom loving people..these are the people the founders mentioned about getting away from..no god ..No love of one another,,death to a nation.
Logan

Minneapolis, MN

#16 Nov 27, 2012
Other notes on Civilization and my ideas on a good government to manage it:

The laws of Civilization are not optional. Violate them and there is no civilization. It's a self-evident thing.

They are like the laws of Physics, break them and most likely the results will not be conducive to your survival.

Also "Golden Rule" = "Social Contract" = "Laws of Civilization" = "Peace, Prosperity, and Freedom" = Happiness

My notions on Qualifications for holding office would be: Residency for the past 5 years; at least 500 hours of community service during those 5 years; cannot have served in office in those 5 years; and finally, after meeting all the prior qualification, must have a passing grade on a social studies (civil service) test that demonstrates a firm knowledge and understanding of how the government works, before having their name added to the selection pool.

The random selection process (sortition) combined with the above qualifications would: Eliminate all political campaigning for office. Replaces elections with the random selection process. Would allow those who want to serve a means to qualify while giving those citizens who don't want to serve a way out of being selected (by not taking the test or meeting the other qualifications), give us candidates who know and have a vested interest in our community. Eliminates career politicians.

In my mind, governments don't have a lot to do, other than manage community infrastructure and settle disputes, I don't see them endlessly passing laws and regulations that needlessly impose on the freewill of it's citizens or granting special privileges to one group over another. I see each level meeting once a week, Cities meet on Mondays, Nations meet on Tuesdays, Counties meet on Wednesdays, UN meets on Thursdays, States meet on Fridays.

The laws of civilization are pretty clear, no one has the right to wage war or violate the rights of another. Governments derive their just powers from the governed, since the governed don't have the power to violate the rights of another, then it stands to reason the government can not derive a right to wage war upon others. A one world government that recognizes this fundamental truth would be a peaceful and just government. On the other hand government does have the power to secure peace and defend the rights of it's citizens, the use of force to repel or restrain in self-defense from violators is legitimate. Those who would violate the rights of others, by their actions, have rejected the social contract and would no longer be protected by it.

Regarding peace and respecting others. Some would think they have a right to be rude to others, they do not. Treating others with disrespect violates the laws of peace, similar to the notion of yelling fire in a crowded theater, goading someone into an emotionally unstable state is just as wrong.

Have a nice day.
Logan

Minneapolis, MN

#17 Nov 27, 2012
rmm1776 wrote:
Ever wonder how people like Logan think the founders were stupid old men,,and never took time to look at how we were formed and why?..they sit back and claim they know it all,,that the founders Ideas are obsolete..well I ask this...they drew on Many former nations from thousands of years to bring forth our nation , a nation still to this day Loved by the very people who want to come here. but Logan thinks 220 years makes our constitution old and obsolete..Just like Obamaites and far left dems. they cant have morality, or freedom loving people..these are the people the founders mentioned about getting away from..no god ..No love of one another,,death to a nation.
The U.S. Constitution was stillborn. When the founders in their rich white man privileged state, decided to divy up powers and authority amongst themselves first and foremost, and then as an afterthought, decided to tack on a Bill of Rights to appease the more rational. Our constitution was built out of compromise and appeasement, not reason.

But like a grief stricken mother, Americans think if they just keep changing that bath water that their baby will be alright. But that dead and foul corpse just keeps on corrupting the bath water. It's time to put that baby to rest and bury the few remaining bones.

Time to make a new baby, start with a Declaration of Rights and build a new Constitutional Republic (not a democracy) around defending those rights.

Yes, I think after 220 years that we are and should be smarter and more knowledgable than the founding fathers (and I would expect the founding fathers would be disappointed if we weren't Also I'm older than 70% of the Founding Fathers at the signing of the Declaration of Independence).

Perhaps you should read up on Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd President (1801-1809)
from monticello dot org:
"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."

Since: Jul 10

United States

#18 Nov 27, 2012
Logan wrote:
<quoted text>The U.S. Constitution was stillborn. When the founders in their rich white man privileged state, decided to divy up powers and authority amongst themselves first and foremost, and then as an afterthought, decided to tack on a Bill of Rights to appease the more rational. Our constitution was built out of compromise and appeasement, not reason.

But like a grief stricken mother, Americans think if they just keep changing that bath water that their baby will be alright. But that dead and foul corpse just keeps on corrupting the bath water. It's time to put that baby to rest and bury the few remaining bones.

Time to make a new baby, start with a Declaration of Rights and build a new Constitutional Republic (not a democracy) around defending those rights.

Yes, I think after 220 years that we are and should be smarter and more knowledgable than the founding fathers (and I would expect the founding fathers would be disappointed if we weren't Also I'm older than 70% of the Founding Fathers at the signing of the Declaration of Independence).

Perhaps you should read up on Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd President (1801-1809)
from monticello dot org:
"I hold it that a little rebellion now and then is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."
You could be one of the most obtuse, irrationally idealistic, and uninformed people I have ever encountered. Your one world utopia assumes a citizenry populated by those without vice. How does your perfect world, free from the bonds of war, accommodate hundreds of millions of people who believe that it is their religious duty to exterminate those that believe in a different god?

Despite there not being a single government of any size that is not populated, to some degree, by men of greed, lust for power, or other vice, you think that putting the entire world under a single umbrella will somehow reveal men of virtue and purity to lead us into the future. Not gonna happen.

You say we are smarter than our founders? How do you figure? They yearned for a weak central government and strong state government. We have turned over virtually all tangible power to the federal government. They disdained a debtor society, while we have embraced public debt as a pillar of economic policy. The founders valued a libertarian model of government where men were free, so long as they did not deprive another of life, liberty, or property. We have taken to meddling in all of the affairs of man, right down to what we are allowed to eat or drink. And you think we're smarter than them? I say we could use a lesson in history.
Get real

United States

#19 Nov 27, 2012
Look everyone. I just want for you all to do your own research and stop repeating things you heard from some guy or girl. Unfortunately most of you would rather go watch American idol than do further research. You should always be asking why, what, when, how, and most definitely WHO. It was our responsibility to monitor the authority we gave when this country was founded. I think saying we failed to do so would be an understatement.
If you do what I ask and keep an open mind you may find a little bit more clarity. And don't look at one thing as the end of us. There are several pieces of a puzzle being developed and soon enough will be put together. I can only speculate but I bet it's not good.
Anybody disagree with anything I said?
Get real

United States

#20 Nov 27, 2012
Quick question for Logan. Do you work for the government?
ok

Nixa, MO

#21 Nov 27, 2012
This Jesse Ventura guy is a joke just like his theories. It's sad to see an ex seal act like this what a shame. Anyone that falls into this theory ur just as brain dead.

If you wanna see springfield underground go drive there please tell me if you see an armed guard he was talking about. Plus the pensmore mansion is about technology this man has developed. If you would read up the guy building the mansion hopes this homes structure become a future for safer building for like a school where our children go. If you about underground cities go underground and find and quit wasting your time in real life
Get real

United States

#22 Nov 27, 2012
And thank you cometland. Someone paid attention in school Logan. You should have hired cometland as a tutor haha.

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