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Jose's flips-flops are bigger than mine...l

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The second prong was going to be all about George and "Baldy". We were going to go into the sexual abuse of his daughter and all the other things discovered about George: his lies about the gas cans and the duct tape, his affair, his proclivity for making statements that pointed the finger at Casey, and his lies to law enforcement. I felt we had a very stong case against him.

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When I was questioning her (juror #1) she made the statement that trials fascinated her because a trial was about solving a mystery. At that point I wanted to make clear that she understood that a trial is not a two-sided affair.

"This is the prosecution's show," I said to her, "and if we sat back and did nothing and if the prosecution failed to deliver the goods, you cannot convict."

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"Will the prosecution deliver the goods?"

That would've been a very catchy name for a Topix thread! LOL

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Tired of Silly wrote:
Don't bother Marcemon, CALL YOUR SHRINK!!!!!!!!!! Oh, and you can keep your 10% of nothing. What a loon you are. If you put this much energy into something that actually matters, you could probably accomplish something. Instead you waste your life trying to figure out who killed Caylee, when the rest of the world already knows. CASEY KILLED CAYLEE.
Silly you are not silly at all..in fact you are very smart and 100% correct.

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It's is not a waste as far as I'm concerned,
My interest in this case has become sort of a hobby I suppose one could say, as I'm not required to follow it for any reason other than I find it intriguing. For me, it's not too different from a mental mind-bender or roller coaster.
Many people watch TV, play computer games, or devote themselves to religious study for as many hours a day. Each to their own...some days I'm here lots, others not so much.
You spend HOURS reading this garbage, looking for imaginary "clues", seeing patterns where there are none, and trying to find a killer who was found the day she admitted to not reporting her child "missing" for 30 days. That's the only "clue" that anyone with a functioning brain needs. There is only ONE reason for that 30 day lapse that makes any sense whatsoever, and that is that CASEY KILLED CAYLEE. Face facts. For some unknown reason you've focused on some nutcase preacher who was nothing but a sideline in the tawdry tale of a slut who murdered her child, with the sideline of her dysfunctional family, some crazy white-trash protesters, and a sleazy defense attorney. CASEY KILLED HER KID. AND SHE LIKED IT. Unfortunately, she also got away with it, thanks to twelve inbred retards from Pinellas County.

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Silly you are not silly at all..in fact you are very smart and 100% correct.
Thank you. I do find it sad that this obviously not unintelligent person wastes her life on such drivel. For most of us this is a few minutes of entertainment out of our busy and productive days.....for her it is all that matters in life. How very sad.
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Thank you. I do find it sad that this obviously not unintelligent person wastes her life on such drivel. For most of us this is a few minutes of entertainment out of our busy and productive days.....for her it is all that matters in life. How very sad.
How about you not judge my life and I won't judge yours.

This case, I didn't expected to last so long and had I known I might have thought twice and given it no more than a passing glance. But I can't change the past and I have no reason to now suddenly become uninterested in it.

But I've followed a few other cases in the past where the verdict didn't go as I thought it should. I most certainly didn't hang around whining and crying about it or blaming the jury.

It matters to you, whether you want to admit it or not, or you wouldn't be here either.
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Aug 5, 2012
 
Flowers in the Attic

I vaguely recall this book or movie. The first few in the series were good and imo it went straight downhill from there...

page 301
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The exclamation point was when I showed them a picture of a pregnant Casey who was clearly showing, less than two months from giving birth. The jury had to wonder: why did the Anthonys claim they didn't know she was pregnant.

"The entire family wanted to keep it quiet," I said. "And if they hid this child, in life, you can best believe that they would hide her in death."

I told the jurors, "They hid this child like a flower in the attic." I said it on purpose. We had seven woman who would decide Casey's fate, and most of them were old enough to remember the movie of the book about the four abused and mistreated children who were the product of incest, and I could see a look of recognition on some of their faces. It was am important moment and I could feel we had made a connection.

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Rich+ard and Richard must have been very pleased with JAB, in hearing him validate the same pregnancy story.
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page 303
(more, opening statement)

I told the jury that Casey should have been stronger, that she should have called 9-1-1.

"Casey should have done the right thing," I said, "and that's what she's guilty of." We always wanted to acknowledge Casey's bad behavior. I never felt we should shy away from it. Instead I wanted her to own it, to fall on the sword and give them nowhere to go with it. That way we could focus on the big question of murder.
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page 303 again

JAB talks about the CBS 48 Hours Mystery focus group, selected from Orlando "because we wanted to get the most tainted jury possible."

Richard Gabriel, trial consultant talked only of the prosecution's case.
- air samples "didn't believe the air sample bullshit"
- cadaver dogs "put very little weight"
- the duct tape "had problem with the fact there was no DNA"
- Casey's behavior after Caylee disappeared

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But they put significant weight on the computer searches. "I knew those computer searches would be critical, and that I would have to take great pains to explain why Casey was looking for chloroform.

"How can you say it was murder if you don't know how she died?" said a forty-nine-year-old woman in the focus group.

And that was huge. Most of them said they figured it was some kind of accident.

None of them liked Casey. They didn't like her at all. But kn the end they just couldn't envision her committing murder just so she could go out and party. None of it made any sense to them.

And when they took the vote on first-degree murder........Ten stood to acquit. And that turned out to be the exact same number for the first vote of the real jury.

.....But from the focus group, I learned there was one key question that the jury needed the prosecution to answer: "How did Caylee die?" Our entire defense was built around that question.

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But this raises several questions and observations.

So they knew in advance of the trial that the critical evidence was the computer searches, and the prosecution just happened to badly botch by the mistaken 84 times and too much focus on Cindy. Meanwhile JABs explanation that Casey wanted to see what was meant by Ricardo's "win her over with chloroform" was totally logical. Was that all coincidence? I don't think so.

Only from the state's case, the focus group suspected some sort of accident. So did the seeds get planted for the George-done-it-but-it-was-an-a ccident alternate account, which addressed both an accident and Casey's behavior after Caylee disappeared? Highly possible!

This focus group wanted to know how Caylee died. But during the trial LDB asked thirty-some times "Where is Caylee Marie Anthony". Was the jury wondering "What do you mean WHERE? You said she was murdered so why are you asking WHERE she is????" which made it appear the State had reasonable doubt of their own case.

It seems to me this focus group was used as a blueprint which was followed during the trial by the defense, and reversed backward by the prosecution to ensure an acquittal.

Very interesting!

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How about you not judge my life and I won't judge yours.
This case, I didn't expected to last so long and had I known I might have thought twice and given it no more than a passing glance. But I can't change the past and I have no reason to now suddenly become uninterested in it.
But I've followed a few other cases in the past where the verdict didn't go as I thought it should. I most certainly didn't hang around whining and crying about it or blaming the jury.
It matters to you, whether you want to admit it or not, or you wouldn't be here either.
No dear, this tawdry ugly case no longer matters to me because THE CASE IS OVER. A slut got away with murdering her child. The only value this case has is as a sad commentary on the jury system and the ability of stupid people to make stupid decisions. I'm here a few minutes a day for entertainment, mostly to laugh at your silly conclusions and displays of mental illness. You however spend hours and hours reading drivel and trying to make it somehow meaningful. It really is sad. You're obviously not stupid, but your craziness prevents you from seeing reality and moving on from it. Your so-called life is a testament to the tragedy of untreated mental illness.

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No dear, this tawdry ugly case no longer matters to me because THE CASE IS OVER. A slut got away with murdering her child. The only value this case has is as a sad commentary on the jury system and the ability of stupid people to make stupid decisions. I'm here a few minutes a day for entertainment, mostly to laugh at your silly conclusions and displays of mental illness. You however spend hours and hours reading drivel and trying to make it somehow meaningful. It really is sad. You're obviously not stupid, but your craziness prevents you from seeing reality and moving on from it. Your so-called life is a testament to the tragedy of untreated mental illness.
Morning Tired. This women has no children or any man or woman, in her life. It's obvious that she's incapable of functioning in the world of reality, because. If she did, she wouldn't be here 24/7. Considering that she is in denial that Casey killed her own child, it is a good thing that Rambler doesn't. Like Joy Wray, she'd most likely neglect her kid to play cybersleuth in a case that is over.
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Morning Tired. This women has no children or any man or woman, in her life. It's obvious that she's incapable of functioning in the world of reality, because. If she did, she wouldn't be here 24/7. Considering that she is in denial that Casey killed her own child, it is a good thing that Rambler doesn't. Like Joy Wray, she'd most likely neglect her kid to play cybersleuth in a case that is over.
Mornin' Rose. Guess I got up on the sap side of the bed this morning, b/c I simply feel sorry for not only Rambler but all the people on either side of this case who simply can't let it go. Karma will zap Casey someday, and that's the best we can hope for in this sad case. I see such hatred from some of these people. I admit that over time Ron's vitriole, bigotry and lies have caused me to despise him, but some of these folks have such a hatred for so many people.........it can't be good for them!!! I too am glad that Rambler doesn't have children. Many mental illnesses have a genetic component, and she should NOT reproduce.

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Mornin' Rose. Guess I got up on the sap side of the bed this morning, b/c I simply feel sorry for not only Rambler but all the people on either side of this case who simply can't let it go. Karma will zap Casey someday, and that's the best we can hope for in this sad case. I see such hatred from some of these people. I admit that over time Ron's vitriole, bigotry and lies have caused me to despise him, but some of these folks have such a hatred for so many people.........it can't be good for them!!! I too am glad that Rambler doesn't have children. Many mental illnesses have a genetic component, and she should NOT reproduce.
Wonder if our dipshit troll wll arrive soon? Most of the people who agree that Casey killed her kid are here for the same reason we are. They are amused with the four-- Ramber, Toledotard, Poe and Chrissy-- who can't seem to grasp reality. Yes, there are some who are as deeply entrenced as the kid killer lovers, but I have more respect for them because they do understand what this murdering slut did. It really doesn't look like any of the Casey lovers actually have kids but the ones that do scare me because f they can relate to what Casey did then that indicates that their level of parenting skills are nada, nil, none.

I have stop responding to Ron. That makes him crazier than answering his racist bigoted posts. He's never going to accept responsibility for his own actions and it makes me madder than he77 reading his crap. Typical criminal.

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Wonder if our dipshit troll wll arrive soon? Most of the people who agree that Casey killed her kid are here for the same reason we are. They are amused with the four-- Ramber, Toledotard, Poe and Chrissy-- who can't seem to grasp reality. Yes, there are some who are as deeply entrenced as the kid killer lovers, but I have more respect for them because they do understand what this murdering slut did. It really doesn't look like any of the Casey lovers actually have kids but the ones that do scare me because f they can relate to what Casey did then that indicates that their level of parenting skills are nada, nil, none.
I have stop responding to Ron. That makes him crazier than answering his racist bigoted posts. He's never going to accept responsibility for his own actions and it makes me madder than he77 reading his crap. Typical criminal.
Are there hidden CLUES in your post? Still trying to find them.

I notice you used 'nada, nil, none' in your post. The impostor Cheney Mason (aka 'the different Cheney Mason') used those very words. Do you find this significant?

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Are there hidden CLUES in your post? Still trying to find them.
I notice you used 'nada, nil, none' in your post. The impostor Cheney Mason (aka 'the different Cheney Mason') used those very words. Do you find this significant?
ROFLMAO. You caught me!!!!! I'll have to watch my posting alittle better.

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ROFLMAO. You caught me!!!!! I'll have to watch my posting alittle better.
The key is to be so oblique & hidden that no one can decipher what you're saying. Ignoring logic & reason helps, too.
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marcemon wrote:
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The key is to be so oblique & hidden that no one can decipher what you're saying. Ignoring logic & reason helps, too.
Speaking of which...I can't help but admire the literary skills. Though I must say, parts of it leading up to the saying have a certain preachy quality to it. LOL

page 312
(at the beginning of the trial)
Afterward I heard all the boo birds......

(BOO BIRDS!!! LMAO!)
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The haters were saying, "He did a great job during the opening, but he really flopped during his cross of George.

The truth is, those people didn't know what they were talking about. They hadn't A CLUE.(my capitalization)

The jurors would forever have the opening statement as a map of where this case was going to go, and htat was the biggest impact of the day -- not George's denials, for I would have multiple shots at him.

And that was the prosecutions biggest mistake.

If it had put George on at the beginning of the trial and only given me one shot at him, I probably would have scored a few points, but they would have gotten lost and forgotten as the case when on.

What the prosecution did was make George the central part of its case, and he was a horrible, horrible witness. The State called him a bunch of times, and we called him twice, and each time I got to take my blows at him.

The smarter move by the prosecution would have been to put him up once and get him out of there, but it just kept parading him up there. And I just kept going at him. Rather than just going for a head shot in the first round to try to knock him out, instead what I did was hit him with body shots throughout the entire six weeks of the trial. By the time the trial was over, he was done.

One of my favourite sayings is, "Persistence beats resistance every time".

By the time I was done with George, not only did the jurors believe he had something to do with the cover-up, but they even began to question whether he had intentionally murdered Caylee.
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I hope someday we might see this.....LOL

Page 320
I worked with the guy (Jeff Ashton) for two-and-a-half years, and so I knew his lack of decorum was going to play to our advantage, so I had an intern document every time he laughed or made a face, and I made a video of his disrespectful actions.

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Lisabeth called him "Rat Hands" because of his long, skinny fingers, and the team generally called him "Tourette's Boy".
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What Is Tourette Syndrome?
Tourette syndrome is a condition that affects a person's central nervous system and causes tics. Tics are unwanted twitches, movements, or sounds that people make. To have Tourette syndrome, a person must have two tics that affect body movement and one that is a sound.

All kids who have Tourette syndrome have tics, but a person can have tics without having Tourette syndrome. Some health conditions and medicines, for instance, can cause tics. And many kids have tics that disappear on their own in a few months or a year.

If you are having trouble imagining what tics are like, they're kind of like hiccups. You don't plan them and you don't want them. You can try tricks to make the hiccups stop, like drinking water upside down, but you can't just decide to stop hiccuping. Hiccups that last too long can even start to hurt and feel uncomfortable. Tics can be like that, too.
http://kidshealth.org/kid/health_problems/bra...
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Here again I think JAB is eluding to something other than he's writing about. I'm just going to throw together various phrases..

Page 324
he was on top of me in the extreme.......

I wasn't on a short leash; I was wearing a choke collar......

He was mad at me -- because of something I had allegedly done wrong....

Would get pissed off at me....because of my incompetence...

Come down.

Stop! You didn't say Simon Says , or pretty please.

..puts on a black robe, and all of a sudden his is noble and all-knowing.

He's cloaked with a certain amount of brilliance.

The judge also gets to sit above everyone else.

If you look at the RITUALS when it comes to the.......(fill in the blank).
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I think this one single sentence sums up the entire Casey Anthony saga, defining PROSECUTORS not in the strict legal sense but those who pursue an undertaking.

page 327 (my capitalization)
OUR STRATEGY WAS ALWAYS TO TAKE THE NEGATIVE THINGS THAT THE PROSECUTORS THREW AT US AND TO ADOPT THEM AS OUR OWN, RATHER THAN FIGHT THEM, AND I DO THINK THAT HELPED US A GREAT DEAL.

This is why I think very little of the storyline is true and fabrication and impersonation was bountiful. The defense and the Anthony family just rolled forward with what was set out to destroy them....

Fight fire with fire.
Fight psycho lies by adopting those lies.....

I continue to admire the brilliancy behind it all, yet I somehow suspect it's even more brilliant than I can imagine since I all I do is guess! LOL

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