LDS have big image problem

Nov 23, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Deseret Morning News

Gary Lawrence is a card-carrying, tithe-paying, churchgoing Mormon who had long suspected that the public perception of his church in America wasn't exactly up there with, say, baseball and apple pie.

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Sep 11, 2012
 
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Tell me how much of a help it was to the poor Christian members of the Wagon train that traveled through Utah, and were massacred at Mountain Meadows?
And explain to me how much of a help it is to the descendents of these poor people who can not put a cross on the site of the massacre in memory of those slaughtered because the site is controlled by the Mormons?
You go Smurf! By the way, explain to all of us (since you're pin pointing atrocities) how much of a help Christian goodness is to the descendants of these poor people that are living relatives now, who had black and native and Asian and Hispanic ancestors enslaved by good white Christian people for the first three centuries in America? And what about their enslaved ancestors that were beaten and hanged and murdered in the thousands by good Christian love on the Christian precept of disobedience?
Why don't you explain that good Christian loving help that went west, helping to kill native Americans in the tens of thousands because those good loving Christian people saw them as barbaric savages and had no place where they had always lived?
Why don't you explain all the massacres, dozens and dozens of massacres committed by good loving white Christians in the name of God and country and duty and then some?
You're still the flaming pathetic idiot for dwelling on a single incident when Christianity has the blackest mark on it for a couple thousand years of murder, torture and mayhem committed for the pursuit of the almighty $ and power.

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I think what I'm most sad about at the moment is that even at 35 yrs old, the smurfs are my favorite cartoon. Every time I see grandpasmurfs name, I think of a cute little blue man, in a red hat. Which does 2 things. One it makes me more tolerable of the annoyances and 2 smurfs just make me happy. Grandpa, could you change your name please.

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<quoted text> Hey grandpa, I see you are still stuck on the Mountain Meadow Massacre. I still have the same opinion as always. You know what that is. With that being said, even IF those events occurred as you believe they did , how does that make the rest of us bad? Mormons as a whole spend a great deal if time volunteering, helping others, teaching our children to be kind, respectful, upstanding citizens. Tell me how we aren't helpful. I would like to know.
As individuals you are all children of GOD just as the rest of us are. I'm sure that as a human being you express the LOVE that is the foundation of your existence in all kinds of ways daily even though you don't believe in it consciously as it conflicts with your religion.

But what happened at Mountain Meadows reflects the danger of your blind obedience to deranged men who order such atrocities in the name of GOD and claim to have exclusive revelation.

You are probably aware of the scripture where Jesus is asked, "Did we not do many good works in your name?", whereupon Jesus replied "Get away from me you workers of lawlessness!"

You are not helpful simply because you cling to archaic ways of thinking that conflict with the reality of our existence and just like other politically active fundamentalist groups that reject the historical Jesus and the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel at the core of his teachings, you impede truly helpful scientific research that threatens your belief system by subverting the democratic process with block voting.

You refuse to accept scientific evidence of the nature of homosexuality, causing much suffering for those who were born the way they are through no fault of their own, simply because it glaringly conflicts with your patriarchal religious system.

You follow a patriarchal pyramid of power that precludes women from living to their full potential as human beings.

But perhaps the most glaring fault in your church is you encourage people to follow a false god instead of the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel at the core of the teachings of the historical Jesus!

Other than that you are, as individuals, by and large, fine people but deluded in a dangerous way!

Good and bad are human concepts. As humans we are not capable of accurately judging anyone. If you got the impression that I thought of you as bad people because of the mountain meadows massacre, you misunderstood.

A person who is insane isn't bad, just sick. The Mountain Meadows Massacre was the product of sick minds. IF we are to heal the sickness that still persists, the first step is in recognizing it exists!

Remember, I LOVE everyone to the best of my ability. I don't judge people but I do judge actions as all of us have to in this world to survive.

And the actions of the Church of Later Day Saints over the years speak for themselves!

I haven't been too active here on topix lately. I probably won't be looking at this thread again for awhile. I go for weeks at a time without looking at topix. The constant stress of dealing with the hate was beginning to affect my family life. I try to spend most of my time now meditating and studying further the tremendous amount of research being done on the holographic nature of the Cosmos.

It's funny, I almost didn't look this morning, but something made me check this thread on topix. It's nice to hear from you!

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But what happened at Mountain Meadows reflects the danger of your blind obedience to deranged men who order such atrocities in the name of GOD and claim to have exclusive revelation.
You live in a fantasy world concerning the MMM and your blah-blah rhetoric you constantly use to tie 18th century Mormon mind set to 21st century Mormon mind set in hopes of showing similarities that people in the 21st century should be on the look out for 21st century Mormons becoming 18th century Mormons. Mormons in the 21st century that according to you are just waiting to thumb their noses at all laws and commit new MMM massacres in the 21st century as soon a one of their prophets tell them to do it.
Yeah, great logic smurf. A minute fraction of Mormons in the US are going to dump their lives, family, jobs, children, infants and babies and on a single command their going to take up arms and commit murder and mayhem so they can be shot to death and imprisoned and for what reason? You don't have one. That's why you live in a fantasy world of this Mormon death and destruction prophecy you're hoping will take place that won't.
You really need to get a life doing something worth while then comparing 18th century Mormons to 21st century Mormons, just saying :)

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Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
You are not helpful simply because you cling to archaic ways of thinking that conflict with the reality of our existence and just like other politically active fundamentalist groups that reject the historical Jesus and the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel at the core of his teachings, you impede truly helpful scientific research that threatens your belief system by subverting the democratic process with block voting.
Archaic ways? lol...what do you call your beliefs that are founded upon archaic ways of thinking from 2000 years ago? You took the Bible and ripped it apart to establish your archaic way of thinking. Do you think your the first to think of god as you have done? Taking a little of this while rejecting most of that from different religions and logical thoughts of nature entwined with it all?
You chide people for how they think religiously and you do the very same thing but you say how you do it is correct above all others. Fricking hypocrite.
And block voting? How ignorant are you? Most Mormons were republican/conservative before becoming Mormons. And those born Mormon usually become republican/conservative. And you think it odd /strange they would vote republican? Get a fricking clue going dude.

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You refuse to accept scientific evidence of the nature of homosexuality, causing much suffering for those who were born the way they are through no fault of their own, simply because it glaringly conflicts with your patriarchal religious system.
You follow a patriarchal pyramid of power that precludes women from living to their full potential as human beings.
Most humans refuse to accept homosexuality. Simple fact. They don't care what science has to say./7777777777777777777777
Next, if you ever read the Bible from cover to cover, you would note that God has had over 5000 years to express himself for how he feels about homosexuality and hasn't. That silence to most people expresses he is not for it. Anything God is for he has said something of it. He made a statement of a man and woman because he is for that type relationship. It affords a way for his spirits to come to this earth. He gave that relationship his blessings. He gave laws and commands for how to have that relationship and laws and commands of what not to do concerning it.
But no where, not a single time did the Israelite/Hebrew/Jewish God or the Christian God give an ok to homosexual relationships. I know that grinds on you but it's a fact you have to live with :)
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Sep 12, 2012
 
THERE IS NOT ANY lds RELATED DILEMMA (Or problem) TO
ROMNEY IN politics because he is standing for the public needs, not lds.

ALL SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT THINKING IF ALL KNOW THE THE RIGHT THING TO DO.
People in general and public must fully know the correctness.

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Romney’s reaction to the violence in the Middle East (for example, Egypt and Libya), is not the issue and is not viewed as “severe”.

It is right, suitable and proper.

Because caring of the interests concerning, it is proper as usual for Romney to do so, that Obama is in the wrong stand as he does not make much difference--in doing the right thing of many situations.

There is nothing for Romney to say to any, if they don't think so by calling severe because that is business as usual for Romney in public eyes.

Romney is not only the candidate for presidency, he must do so for all people, has every right to criticize Obama's failed position, so that matters are not further be ruined by Obama when he becomes the next president.

The general public must fully know the stand too.

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I think what I'm most sad about at the moment is that even at 35 yrs old, the smurfs are my favorite cartoon. Every time I see grandpasmurfs name, I think of a cute little blue man, in a red hat. Which does 2 things. One it makes me more tolerable of the annoyances and 2 smurfs just make me happy. Grandpa, could you change your name please.
How sweet of you to ask. Relax! It's just an avatar. It isn't real!

I could create another and continue to say what I have to say. But I won't. I also have my reasons for liking the smurfs and it has nothing to do with your bloodbath theology.

You don't know my name or anything else about me.

Why don't you change the claims and name of your church?

I personally find it offensive that it calls itself Christian while rejecting the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel at the core of the teachings of the historical Jesus.

And since your masters practice the antisemitic replacement theology that makes GOD out to be a liar, it makes you an accomplice to blasphemy as long as you associate yourself with this church.

And Saints?, Saints?

Remember the Mountain Meadows Massacre!

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#204
Sep 15, 2012
 
No Surprise,

I didn't even glance at your rants. But when I saw my relationship with the smurfs attacked I had to come to the aid of my imaginary avatar.

Have a nice life.

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No Surprise,
I didn't even glance at your rants. But when I saw my relationship with the smurfs attacked I had to come to the aid of my imaginary avatar.
Have a nice life.
lol grandpa, i wasn't attacking.

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How sweet of you to ask. Relax! It's just an avatar. It isn't real!
I could create another and continue to say what I have to say. But I won't. I also have my reasons for liking the smurfs and it has nothing to do with your bloodbath theology.
You don't know my name or anything else about me.
Why don't you change the claims and name of your church?
I personally find it offensive that it calls itself Christian while rejecting the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel at the core of the teachings of the historical Jesus.
And since your masters practice the antisemitic replacement theology that makes GOD out to be a liar, it makes you an accomplice to blasphemy as long as you associate yourself with this church.
And Saints?, Saints?
Remember the Mountain Meadows Massacre!
my masters? I have one master, and that is God.

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Sep 15, 2012
 
That "image problem is about to get WORSE

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Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
No Surprise,
I didn't even glance at your rants. But when I saw my relationship with the smurfs attacked I had to come to the aid of my imaginary avatar.
Have a nice life.
You don't like my replies because I question how you think, not if your incorrect or correct. Like your severe pre-occupational disorder of judging Mormons in 2012 by the actions of a small group of men that lived more then a century ago.
What you do is kin to say you judging Germans in 2012 as the same as those that followed Germany's leader in WW2.
In order to continue your fantasy belief, you purposely ignore what and humans are about now in 2012 so you can pretend to believe that humans haven't changed "how" they think of others in 2012. You maintain that Mormons in 2012 are exactly like that small bunch of Mormon men that did that atrocious deed more than a century ago.
You maintain Mormons from little children to the very old, that their nothing but a bunch of blood thirsty demons that are waiting for a cue from the present prophet, to take up arms and go on a mass murder of all other people.
That is your fantasy belief. That is the message you speak of that you tell others will happen. And that shows you have a diseased mind because you want Mormons to commit death and destruction en-mass, so you can crow like a chicken that you warned one and all the Mormons were blood thirsty and getting ready to commit a modern 2012 MMM.
You have a sick, filthy, degenerative mind to even preach such filthy dark garbage. And you call yourself a Christian?

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Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
Why don't you change the claims and name of your church?
I personally find it offensive that it calls itself Christian while rejecting the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel at the core of the teachings of the historical Jesus.
And you find no offence with the murder, mayhem, religious persecution, the slavery of others that are the roots of Christianity for the last 1900 years? Remember that Christian religion you base your beliefs from? Remember that Christian religion that's behind the Bible that you selectively have ripped apart to establish your own philosophy?
You base your philosophy from all that murder and mayhem and rape of other countries by Christianity. And you find offence with Mormons? You're a fricking trip dude.

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