New Chamber of Commerce will focus on Deltona

Why don't they concentrate on crime first, then maybe businesses will want to set up shop in Deltona.

Dog wrote:

Why don't they concentrate on crime first, then maybe businesses will want to set up shop in Deltona.

Businesses set up in Orlando and they have one of the highest crime rates in the country. Deltona has a low crime rate.
They need to clean the city up so a business will see it as attractive. Stop all the talk of fancy things and put in lights, sidewalks , the basics.
There is no infrastructure in the city business needs that.
Bad publicity would be a big help. Stop the stupid politics.
Too many things need to be done and none of them are a priority.
This city goes off in too many directions. Focus is missing.

TedS wrote:

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Businesses set up in Orlando and they have one of the highest crime rates in the country. Deltona has a low crime rate.
They need to clean the city up so a business will see it as attractive. Stop all the talk of fancy things and put in lights, sidewalks , the basics.
There is no infrastructure in the city business needs that.
Bad publicity would be a big help. Stop the stupid politics.
Too many things need to be done and none of them are a priority.
This city goes off in too many directions. Focus is missing.

Deltona has a low crime rate?!? You've got to be kidding!!!!

Dog wrote:

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Deltona has a low crime rate?!? You've got to be kidding!!!!

That's all you got out of what i said? You are fixated on the crime rate huh? We paid big bucks to find out we have a low crime rate. You live here and missed that? Get informed Dog.

TedS wrote:

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That's all you got out of what i said? You are fixated on the crime rate huh? We paid big bucks to find out we have a low crime rate. You live here and missed that? Get informed Dog.

You mean you paid big bucks for someone to lie to you.

Dog wrote:

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You mean you paid big bucks for someone to lie to you.

Not me Dog the leaders of the city did. If you know it a lie show me the reasons why. The leaders seem to agree and I have no problem with crime. We have less then other places I've lived.
Deltona get painted bad in the media.
It sounds like you dont like living here.

Don't know what happened to what I posted.I usually don't post to these local issues but Deltona has enormous problems to solve and as I see it crime is not one of it's top priorities.
It needs to make the process of bringing a business here easier. We do lack the infrastructure needed to bring business here.
Repairing our reputation is paramount to changing the city's image as a place a business would want to be associated with and have it's employees call it home.
This is a complex issue. There is no one single reason why business isn't beating down our door. I am not just talking about chain restaurants or stores but other indistries that will compensate it's employees with a good living wage. Those types of companies have seen what is happening here and it's not attractive to them or they would chose us over other cities and they don't.
Poor management of the city is the starting place, it needs to be addressed by competent people.
Sorry for the double post and my missing post.

Same ole BS from the "business leaders." Now that Deltona has exploded with population, the "business leaders" are taking control with the same ole crap that I've heard all over Volusia County. "We need businesses; we need to shift the tax base." Why didn't you yahoos think of that before. Get a good business base in town and then worry about building your town around that. Because developers want to build houses, not roads and all the other infrastructure you need for a good business base. The quick buck. Deltona is a bedroom community for Seminole and Orange County. Face it.

Same ole BS wrote:

Same ole BS from the "business leaders." Now that Deltona has exploded with population, the "business leaders" are taking control with the same ole crap that I've heard all over Volusia County. "We need businesses; we need to shift the tax base." Why didn't you yahoos think of that before. Get a good business base in town and then worry about building your town around that. Because developers want to build houses, not roads and all the other infrastructure you need for a good business base. The quick buck. Deltona is a bedroom community for Seminole and Orange County. Face it.

Will you consider running for office in 2010 you have common sense something lacking in the commission now.

Same ole BS wrote:

Same ole BS from the "business leaders." Now that Deltona has exploded with population, the "business leaders" are taking control with the same ole crap that I've heard all over Volusia County. "We need businesses; we need to shift the tax base." Why didn't you yahoos think of that before. Get a good business base in town and then worry about building your town around that. Because developers want to build houses, not roads and all the other infrastructure you need for a good business base. The quick buck. Deltona is a bedroom community for Seminole and Orange County. Face it.

I would not call 28,000 homes in 30 years an explosion given that Deltona was created out of wilderness specifically for that purpose.

Many businesses have passed on a Deltona location as no "true" town center materialized nor did main traffic arteries appear. As a result there are few local business leaders willing to A. assist the city in growing the commercial base or B. take on the city commission for it's disparaging behavior.

Whether or not this sort of Chamber of Commerce will benefit the citizens remains to be seen.

Overit wrote:

<quoted text>I would not call 28,000 homes in 30 years an explosion given that Deltona was created out of wilderness specifically for that purpose.
Many businesses have passed on a Deltona location as no "true" town center materialized nor did main traffic arteries appear. As a result there are few local business leaders willing to A. assist the city in growing the commercial base or B. take on the city commission for it's disparaging behavior.
Whether or not this sort of Chamber of Commerce will benefit the citizens remains to be seen.

Chambers don't help the citizens. Business will come here even if there isn't one. There are reasons no on wants to come here. Lack of basis services and if they read the papers or watch TV we look like idiots gone wild.
Who would want to do business with those wack jobs at city hall. They can't even run the city without some screw up. They go through employees like crazy.They voted themselves another year in office and then they want a pay raise. Those wack jobs cost us money and lose us business with all the jack arse thing they do.
There are enough roads to bring business in that's not the problem and if business came we'd have a town center.
Jerry Springer could relocate here and never run out of material for his show.

You want to really deal with this challenge? Go to one of the weblinks that will show you the types of zoning all over Deltona, then you begin to see the big picture.
It's the zoning that directs most of the growth. A business can't exactly begin a plan for locating its facilities or offices if the location isn't already there or in the works.
Most of our 'city center' is zoned residential, not commercial. What does that tell you?
It should make more sense why there's not that much going on 'in' Deltona and why there's such emphasis going into trying to push that kind of growth and development on Deltona's boundary areas (Osteen, SR415). Does it make sense to try and establish that needed growth even farther away from the population?
Is anybody looking at the alternatives or even discussing them? Looks like playing with dolls and stealing garbage are more attractive enterprises.

It only take the lovers of development one flat minute to change zoning. They have done it plenty and will continue to do it. I liked living in a bedroom community but the elected crooks don't. They have $$$$$ signs in their eyes.
Those commissioners jump from development to development in the busiest areas of the city. It's something new every week.
They don't know what they are doing or care either. Look like they want to have more things to be in control of.
Can't even get rid of the bums they took that away from us too. If they think waiting longer will stop them from getting the boot they need to think again. They are afaraid of their own citizens and don't want to know how we feel about them. They stink!

TedS wrote:

It only take the lovers of development one flat minute to change zoning. They have done it plenty and will continue to do it. I liked living in a bedroom community but the elected crooks don't. They have $$$$$ signs in their eyes.
Those commissioners jump from development to development in the busiest areas of the city. It's something new every week.
They don't know what they are doing or care either. Look like they want to have more things to be in control of.
Can't even get rid of the bums they took that away from us too. If they think waiting longer will stop them from getting the boot they need to think again. They are afaraid of their own citizens and don't want to know how we feel about them. They stink!

Ted, Chambers assist in creating/maintaining a healthy business environment which by proxy is beneficial to the citizens.

Our elected are not bums although I will agree with you that some are clearly not up to the task at hand. I will also agree that the city is not getting real value from certain department heads.

We can't simply wipe everything away and start over so we must work in ways we can to bring change.

Overit wrote:

<quoted text>Ted, Chambers assist in creating/maintaining a healthy business environment which by proxy is beneficial to the citizens.
Our elected are not bums although I will agree with you that some are clearly not up to the task at hand. I will also agree that the city is not getting real value from certain department heads.
We can't simply wipe everything away and start over so we must work in ways we can to bring change.

Change like voting them out. Now there's a good start. What department heads, who's left?
I belong to a chamber didn't do anything for me except make promises and take my money. I never heard anyone talk about benefits to the people just themselves. The people their potential customers are viewed as a money source, that's the bottom line.
Assist in creating and maintaining a healthy business enviroment. What it plain language does that mean? Fancy words that never have any real meaning to the consumer.

OK forget the chamber Carl and the fancy words.

Vote them out and replace them with WHO?

Would you sit up there and take the abuse from the "standard audience of concerned citizens" every week for a couple of hundred bucks?

District two recently selected a guy with better credentials than any politician in all of Central Florida and he was butchered on these threads and others by the neer-do-wells who have come to believe that their little group runs the city. That sure makes me want to throw my hat in the ring!

Overit wrote:

OK forget the chamber Carl and the fancy words.
Vote them out and replace them with WHO?
Would you sit up there and take the abuse from the "standard audience of concerned citizens" every week for a couple of hundred bucks?
District two recently selected a guy with better credentials than any politician in all of Central Florida and he was butchered on these threads and others by the neer-do-wells who have come to believe that their little group runs the city. That sure makes me want to throw my hat in the ring!

Listen they must have know the lay of the land before throwing their hats in the ring. Let's face it Deltona has a rep and everyone knows it isn't a good one and that's disgusting. No chamber can change that until they change who is in office. Getting butchered might be a sign that someone is doing something right.
I watch the freak show and get you. Only a few of them see to be on the ball and have any intelligence at all.The rest take up space. I'm not a insider but something is off base in Deltona maybe you have a better idea of what it is.
The first step I guess is to clean up the city government How? The state maybe feds but as long as it is the way it is nothing good will happen here.

Deltona needs a chambrer of commerce? Maybe they need to get some commerce first. Someone or something is mistaking Deltona for another town.
To attract any decent business or people here they will have to ship those tax and spend politicos off somewhere.
They should be careful politicians that want a police department of your own you may wind up being their first arrests for stealing from your citizens.
PS Clean this filthy city up.

You all forgot 1 thing.
If you build a sub-division, you only get houses.
You can't make a real city out of a subdivision.
You put subdivisions IN cities.
That's why there are no major businesses there.
There is no place for them.
WalMart made a place out of old farm land but you can't really have a downtown without it planned beforehand.
Thank the developer.

DUHbary, you got it right. There was no real planning done for this community except residential. That's basically all Mackle had planned it for, but as we can all atest it could not stay there.
For there to be more balance to the community there needs to be more commercial property and businesses. To get them there has to be property where that commerce is needed zoned so that businesses can develop there. Sad thing is all of the land easily available for that is on the outskirts of Deltona taking the growth further northeast, east, and southeast. That direction isn't good for the long run because of all of the trouble and challenges it will bring from future impact. But like most building short sightedness the easies and fastest is generally the way it's always done, despite everything we know that it causes.
So, who wants to take on the really challenging effort to re-plan and re-direct the existing City proper? That's were the commerce really needs to grow. We need to draw from the experience and knowledge of inner-city growth and development that's been going on for years up north. Take the good practices and use them for our own situation. Really plan a city instead of sprawling our way into another mega-burb.
And yes, chambers of commerce help in some ways with commercial growth.