councelor

Utica, NY

#43 Aug 10, 2012
If a councilor was fired, how come it wasn't the one doing the butchering? Why was it someone else? The story about the young counselor being fired was a distraction. People began to think he had responsibility in this somehow and that isn't true.
We need to get this whole thing brought out into the open.
Nuts

Utica, NY

#44 Aug 10, 2012
It would seem if the counselor that allegedly took too long on a hike at nick's lake August 2nd actually did something wrong ,He would have been told so by his supervisors when he returned from the hike, but he was not. It was just a fabrication made up because he was speaking out on the mutilation incident with other counselors.
not right

Utica, NY

#45 Aug 10, 2012
Doesn't sound nuts to me! Sounds right on! The truth will come out, and this person who was dismissed may very well have a legal reason to carry this further. This is a bad position the Supervisor of the Town and the Rec. Director has put the whole town in. This should be opened up for a full investigation. I believe the termination of the young man took place on Friday, but the incident was on a Wed.
The children he had under his care were never in any danger, and the trail was clearly marked, so they weren't in danger of getting lost.
THE TRUTH WILL COME OUT!
Supervision

Utica, NY

#46 Aug 11, 2012
Jerry is the counselor supervisor at the woodgate site . Kim is the counselor supervisor at the village site. Sonja skidmore is the recreation director. Joanne kwasniewski is the town board member in charge of recreation. Bill Hasenauer is the Town Supervisor. Bill makes all decisions though.He may be failing mentally, as many have said.
Questioner

South Butler, NY

#47 Aug 11, 2012
Who are Jerry and Kim?
not right

Utica, NY

#48 Aug 11, 2012
My daughter does not know their last names, I think it is kim thorn or smelzle.It makes no sense why you would fire one counselor and not the other. Even if it is true that chase was gone too long on the hike(who can determine how fast kids will walk). The cutting up of the animal and kids using knives is much more dangerous.
Noticed

Utica, NY

#49 Aug 12, 2012
If your child was affected at the woodgate mutilation incident I heard you should call the state police as many others have, it is a crime.Parasites and disease may have been spread also onto the picnic table where kids eat lunch and the town has not made sure the kids are okay.
blame

Baldwinsville, NY

#50 Aug 12, 2012
IT APPEARS the Supervisor is placing blame on the wrong persons.
the firing was to make people think the councilor did something wrong. What was the reason he was fired? It had to be something worse than cutting up a dead animal on the picnic table at Woodgate summer rec. Why wasn't THAT councilor fired????
The blame lies elsewhere!!!
parent

Baldwinsville, NY

#51 Aug 12, 2012
Noticed wrote:
If your child was affected at the woodgate mutilation incident I heard you should call the state police as many others have, it is a crime.Parasites and disease may have been spread also onto the picnic table where kids eat lunch and the town has not made sure the kids are okay.
You are correct! The town will not do anything that will admit guilt so why would they show concern towards our children! It was endangerment, insist charges be pressed! They put the children's health and possibly lives in jeopardy! Check with other parents to find out who has been retained for legal counsel in this civil matter!
Parasite danger

Utica, NY

#52 Aug 20, 2012
the town board wouldn't give concerned parents a chance to speak at the last town board meeting,they have not contacted the parents of possibly infected children and have the kids checked by doctors. The town also did not care when kids were sent home from summer rec. to get knives or the emotional impact on very young children.the dead animal was dead for quite some time and smelled so bad you could not stand it.Kids were helping with the cutting . It surely had parasites.A man died out west in a national park due to disease from animal parasites within the last week or so . be concerned !
Stop Jerking your Knee

Rochester, NY

#53 Aug 20, 2012
The man out west died of Hantavirus, which is prelavant in the Rocky Mts and SouthWest arid regions.
Only 4 suspected cases of it have ever been in NY. and only fatality was down in Long Island.
You get it from mice infestations, mainly deer mouse, and the white-footed mouse. Not a Mink.

What if this was a Boy Scout troop or Webelos pack and they were earning a Merit Badge in:
Animal Science
Fish & Game Management
Mammal Study
Nature
Veterinary Medicine

Or they wanted to learn Taxidermy?
excellent posts

Watertown, NY

#54 Aug 20, 2012
What if???
What if, as a town taxpayer (and I assume you are) you wind up being sued over this situation?
If children want to learn taxidermy, etc., they should learn it in school, where dissection is handled the proper way. Age was not appropriate for this.
AND it wasn't an animal science class....
It wasn't fish and game management
Mammal study.... not in the Recreation program activity plans.
Nature.......could be done without cutting up a cadaver that was road kill
Vet. Medicine..........hardly in a class of young children supposedly being in a FUN TYPE OF RECREATION PROGRAM TO PROVIDE THEM WITH A FUN MEMORY OF THE SUMMER REC ACTIVITIES WITH FRIENDS.

That has been denied them this year!!!
You loose again.........
responsible

Utica, NY

#55 Aug 20, 2012
Is hanging and disemboweling in front of 5 0r 6 year olds science too?
Stop Jerking your Knee

Rochester, NY

#56 Aug 20, 2012
excellent posts wrote:
What if???

That has been denied them this year!!!
You loose again.........
Loose? you mean like the loose rocks in your head? or loose women? or knife weilding mink hungry day campers on the loose?

It's LOSE, with 1 "O" - you LOSER
Amazing

Brooklyn, NY

#57 Aug 20, 2012
What a f-ing circus you idiots with nothing better to do got going on here ....lol
Stop Jerking your Knee

Rochester, NY

#58 Aug 20, 2012
Amazing wrote:
What a f-ing circus you idiots with nothing better to do got going on here ....lol
glad you could join us by jumping out of the tiny clown car
Amazing

Brooklyn, NY

#59 Aug 20, 2012
Stop Jerking your Knee wrote:
<quoted text>
glad you could join us by jumping out of the tiny clown car
Not a problem, maybe i'll quit my job and do this full time....Welfare here I come!!!!
skinned

Utica, NY

#60 Aug 26, 2012
was a summons issued to krista seelman for endangerment and for taking of a pelt by the DEC?If not why not . You can't just skin a road kill deer on the side of the road and keep the skin and hang the body up and leave it right?
unreall

Gloversville, NY

#61 Aug 27, 2012
skinned wrote:
was a summons issued to krista seelman for endangerment and for taking of a pelt by the DEC?If not why not . You can't just skin a road kill deer on the side of the road and keep the skin and hang the body up and leave it right?
They won't do a thing to her..it's not who you know in this town.
framed

Utica, NY

#62 Aug 28, 2012
very weird that another counselor was fired and the towns people were led to assume he was responsible for the mutilation. The real mutilator , who's family is friends with town supervisor hasenauer, however was not fired.It is not then too far from the realm of the imagination that when hasenauer was sheriff during the kimberly simons murder, that the real killer was internal or known and steven barnes was framed. Why not leave the murder unsolved if not known?to cover something up of course . law enforcement should be looking into this pattern of deceit and other ethics violations by hasenauer

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