Raye Dawn Smith's Pre-sentencing Report

KV, NoUse, Please, anyone that can answer this question HONESTLY, please do. I am being sincere with this question, and if i have misunderstood, or if i am wrong, please let me know and I will drop it.

First, does anyone know what mike's daughter really said?

Is there anything in the officeial documents proving this counselor's note to be true and correct?

Do we know if this counselor even exists?

The way I see this is, this note is what T.S. says that the counselor says, that mike's daughter said.

There is nothing that proves to me that this ever took place.

If it did then why did Radon's attorney not call either of them to testify?

Thanks!!!

concerned for children wrote:

KV, NoUse, Please, anyone that can answer this question HONESTLY, please do. I am being sincere with this question, and if i have misunderstood, or if i am wrong, please let me know and I will drop it.
First, does anyone know what mike's daughter really said?
Is there anything in the officeial documents proving this counselor's note to be true and correct?
Do we know if this counselor even exists?
The way I see this is, this note is what T.S. says that the counselor says, that mike's daughter said.
There is nothing that proves to me that this ever took place.
If it did then why did Radon's attorney not call either of them to testify?
Thanks!!!

No one knows exactly what Whitney said. However, the counselor still exists. My best guess is that neither of them were called to testify because of Raye Dawn's fears that Whitney would be cross-examined. I am sure that there are a lot of things that Whitney knows about what life was like in the Meeker house. That makes her dangerous to Raye. I hope that she is not called for another few years. It would be outright cruelty to put a ten year old on the stand.

Concerned for children:

I too am a skeptic about Whitney actually stating this myself for the following reasons:

1) It was stated she made this statement 6 days after Kelsey's death. If this were true, then why wasn't it called in to the authorities as this was still a homicide investigation?

2) I'm sure Whitney would've been too afraid to state this knowing she still had to live in that house. Porter wasn't yet arrested and charged with Kelsey's murder until days after the alleged statement was made.

3) If Whitney DID make this statement, then why wasn't she removed from the home as her safety would've been jeapordized for making this statement?

4) As mentioned, why didn't the defense call either Whitney or the school counselor to the stand? Even if Whitney's cross-examination would've probably been damning to Raye Dawn's defense, the school counselor's wouldn't have been damning, would it?

5) I highly doubt that a school counselor would've called Whitney into the office to coax this kind of information out of her as this would be an invasion of privacy. Unless Whitney volunteered this information, no school counselor has the right to play detective. They are really there at the school should the students need their advise and/or guidance. Nothing more. They aren't allowed to pry into students' lives. If they suspect abuse/neglect, their jobs are to report it to the proper authorities and that is only after they do not get any cooperation from the parents.

I hope this makes sense.

concerned for children wrote:

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After Raye Dawn was convicted members of the Briggs family were overheard by courthouse personnel running through the hallway yelling that Raye Dawn wouldn't get any of the lawsuit money.
Kathie Briggs stated publicly that she wanted to see Raye Dawn spend at least one day in jail.
Just one day in jail would have excluded Raye Dawn from sharing in any awards of the suits.

Sadly, that may not be the case. I had been under the impression that the Son of Sam Law applied to all fifty states. It's not so. Raye Dawn has a reasonable shot at getting half of that money, and proving to the world that she is a lying, hypocritical, murderer. She was not convicted of Kelsey's murder yet, so she is eligible. Now excuse me while I go vomit in a corner.

They are divorced and Lance took this action without Smith. I am not entirely sure she will be getting any of the money. I will hunt down the court docs and see how the settlement was phrased.

Where are all the moral and upright FRDS people who only want to do what is "right". They were happy enough to claim that Lance and the Briggs were greedy. Odd they aren't posting that Smith should not accept this dirty "blood money" now?

ELHalfpenny wrote:

They are divorced and Lance took this action without Smith. I am not entirely sure she will be getting any of the money. I will hunt down the court docs and see how the settlement was phrased.
Where are all the moral and upright FRDS people who only want to do what is "right". They were happy enough to claim that Lance and the Briggs were greedy. Odd they aren't posting that Smith should not accept this dirty "blood money" now?

they are both hurting from the death of kelsey, but as Im beginning to see it as only raye got hurt. the briggs got fortune and fame, not to mention the two life insurance policies on Kelsey's life, did they pay someone to kill kelsey or did he do it out of the good gracious of his heart.

that was lame, I'm sorry,

but while the briggs got fortune and fame,
and two life insurance polices.
the smiths got their lives ruined.
political assassination through slander and libel.
all they needed was for raye dawn to spend one day in jail for her part of should have known.
27 years is overkill.
looks like the briggs owes her all of and more,
but if she gets some relief is better than nothing.

No 27 years for killing someone is not "over kill" but you know what is? Abusing a toddler to death...

Actually proving Smith "should have know" is ALL that was required for the crime she was charged with and convicted of.

ELHalfpenny wrote:

Actually proving Smith "should have know" is ALL that was required for the crime she was charged with and convicted of.

I totally agree here.

And if she didn't know, then why didn't she submit to the polygraph?

She still will not submit to it even today.

Neither did Porter.

They both obviously have something to hide and are exactly where they both need to be since it's never been proven who killed Kelsey.

yaMeVoy wrote:

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she was a traumatized 26 year old,
who lost her her husband,
her grandma,
her father,
her child,
her child again,
and her husband again,
all in a matter of two years...
prejudiced jury
prejudiced probation report.
what more could angry in-laws happier?

Regardless of what Raye Dawn lost, she was culpable and found guilty of enabling child abuse.
If she was as innocent as you people claim she is, then explain WHY she didn't take the polygraph?

yaMeVoy wrote:

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they are both hurting from the death of kelsey, but as Im beginning to see it as only raye got hurt. the briggs got fortune and fame, not to mention the two life insurance policies on Kelsey's life, did they pay someone to kill kelsey or did he do it out of the good gracious of his heart.

You are accusing the Briggs of hiring Porter to kill kelsey? OMG you really are a black hearted dead behind the eyes b itch!

Now THIS statement meets the legal standard of Liabel! Even with your "team of Lawyers" you are totally screwed if some one from the family calls you out on THIS. Good news for you though, they can't garnish your SSI-D payments.

How can you speculate as to when THAT injury occured sue? That child was being abused and injured consistently, so how can you know when that particular injury occurred? As for Whitney, I have NOT seen proof that Whitney told anyone any of that that has been posted by TS. So no, I would not call "Whitney" a liar.

yaMeVoy wrote:

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could that be when whitney saw mike bang kelsey's head against the brick wall?
or are you calling whitney a liar.

I'm not saying that Raye Dawn made that story up, i'm thinking more along the lines of her personal storyteller concocting that story. After that person came into the picture is when stories that had never been told before started appearing and RD's stories changing, so I'm not sure it is RD that made that one up. But without any proof that is true, yes I believe it was made up by TS. That is my opinion.

KelseysVoice wrote:

No one is accusing Whitney of lying. What we are saying is that Raye Dawn Smith made up the whole story. I have great sympathy for Whitney, being forced to live in that house of horrors. She knows the real Raye Dawn Smith, and that is why the defense will fight to keep her from coming to the stand.

Concerned, that is the question of which many have asked and would like to know. As far as I know, there has not been an "official" affidavitt or any such thing produced that says that Whitney said that. I would think in a court of law without Whitney testifying it is "hearsay" is it not? If this did happen it would appear the school counselor overstepped her bounds by interferring and questioning a potential witness, which is beyond her scope of duty as a school counselor, in a murder case. I'm like you, no proof has ever been produced that this actually took place, and you would think if it did that Whitney herself would have been called to testify on behalf of RD. That says alot to me. I do not peronally believe that "story". My opinion

concerned for children wrote:

KV, NoUse, Please, anyone that can answer this question HONESTLY, please do. I am being sincere with this question, and if i have misunderstood, or if i am wrong, please let me know and I will drop it.
First, does anyone know what mike's daughter really said?
Is there anything in the officeial documents proving this counselor's note to be true and correct?
Do we know if this counselor even exists?
The way I see this is, this note is what T.S. says that the counselor says, that mike's daughter said.
There is nothing that proves to me that this ever took place.
If it did then why did Radon's attorney not call either of them to testify?
Thanks!!!

sue, sue, sue...you are treading very thin water here. You are boldly accusing the Briggs of paying someone to kill Kelsey. This post of yours has been flagged and also sent to the Briggs attorney. The Briggs have not gotten "fortune and fame" and for you to have the audacity to post that they hired someone to kill Kelsey is beyond anyting I've seen yet. Shame on you! That statement is the stupidest, cruelest post I have ever seen posted to date on anything to do with this case. I am also forwarding this post to Kathie and will be adament that you are held accountable for that libelous statement! Topix should ban you from this forum. You are one despicable human being.

yaMeVoy wrote:

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they are both hurting from the death of kelsey, but as Im beginning to see it as only raye got hurt. the briggs got fortune and fame, not to mention the two life insurance policies on Kelsey's life, did they pay someone to kill kelsey or did he do it out of the good gracious of his heart.

No, that went WAY BEYOND LAME. I'm pretty certain you will be held accountable for accusing the Briggs of hiring someone to kill Kelsey. Better get ahold of that team of attorney's you claim to have, they aren't going to be too thrilled over that bold claim.

yaMeVoy wrote:

that was lame, I'm sorry,
but while the briggs got fortune and fame,
and two life insurance polices.
the smiths got their lives ruined.
political assassination through slander and libel.
all they needed was for raye dawn to spend one day in jail for her part of should have known.
27 years is overkill.
looks like the briggs owes her all of and more,
but if she gets some relief is better than nothing.

NoUse wrote:

No, that went WAY BEYOND LAME. I'm pretty certain you will be held accountable for accusing the Briggs of hiring someone to kill Kelsey. Better get ahold of that team of attorney's you claim to have, they aren't going to be too thrilled over that bold claim.
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I really hope some one does something about this statement besides removing it from TOPIX. I kept reading over and over thinking I was misunderstanding but Sue really is accusing the Briggs of hiring Porter to kill Kelsey. I guess this is what she met by her unintellegable post awhile back about "Lance's hired gun".

I know, this is crap and crap that the Briggs have to deal with on a consistent basis. Read the recent posts on the presentencing thread when you have time!

ELHalfpenny wrote:

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I really hope some one does something about this statement besides removing it from TOPIX. I kept reading over and over thinking I was misunderstanding but Sue really is accusing the Briggs of hiring Porter to kill Kelsey. I guess this is what she met by her unintellegable post awhile back about "Lance's hired gun".

Through Kelsey
Smith-Briggs' Eyes
What Do DHS Visitation
Logs Tell Us?

By Barry Jon
Investigative Reporter

Lincoln County, OK - The story of Kelsey Smith-Briggs' death is hard no matter which version you choose to believe. Looking back on the tumultuous nine months of custody battles from January 2005 through the fateful day of October 11, 2005 we hear countless renditions of what was happening when Kelsey was with one person or another. We speculate using timelines and we reason with the aid of testimony, but only once do we get a glimpse on a level playing field. Only once do we have the opportunity to see through the eyes of an impartial third party. Only once, when all things were equal, do we have the occasion to compare apples to apples.

The month of April 2005 elevated concerns over Kelsey and threw DHS into a frenzy. The events between the 14th and the 25th are highly debated. Where was Kelsey and when were her legs injured from the time she sprained her ankle till the day she was diagnosed with two broken legs? Even the very nature of the injuries are as contentious as the timeline. The dispute over accident versus sinister is deliberate by experts to this day. DHS files and the OCCY reports show caseworkers' inability to conclusively determine either the nature of the injuries or the whereabouts of Kelsey when they occurred. Interestingly enough, although District Attorney Richard Smothermon was already involved in Kelsey's case at the time neither he nor one of his Assistant DAs conducted their own investigation.

Without a cause identified Kelsey was removed from the guardianship of her paternal grandmother (Kathie Briggs) on May 3rd and taken into DHS custody to be placed in a foster home. Kelsey was placed by DHS in the home of Gayla Smith (Kelsey's maternal grandmother) where she remaine