DHS worker arrested twice in 24 hours

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Shelly

United States

#393 Feb 24, 2010
DHS Employee-

You say that all these children taken away from their parents is because of abuse? That is total BS. I live in Oklahoma, DHS/CPS and Police Officers take away the Rights of the people. Let me tell you something if DHS/CPS and these Police Offciers would actually go by the Constitutional Rights of these parents and get off your butts to actually do your job RIGHT, then maybe DHS and all these workers would not have so many cases of wrongly accused parents.
I do not abuse my children, I never have and never will, neither has my husband.
You people go into court with no evidence running your mouth about a home that you have not laid eyes on adding to what really was inside that house. Also you wonderful helping caseworkers but children in shelters and foster homes that have done more harm then good.
Do not preach to me about what good you people are doing I see it and hear it.
I have called these wonderful shelters to hear the person on the other end say " hold on a sec the cops are here bringing us a child that ran away from us".
I have have visits with my children as to where my daughter looks at me and the caseworker and says" the fosterdad is touching my booby and jiggling it up and down and doing it to my sisters to and the foster mom is taking her foot and kicking me mommy and it hurts."
Ohh yeah the main thing that DHS does is takes kids from a harmful enviorment and places them with the people that will properly care for them. NOT!!!! my children are in more harm in the States care then in my cluttered home. I will not lie. My home was cluttered moving to Oklahoma from a different state we did not have the money and such to get everything we needed for our home, we lived in this state not even 6mths before my children was taken from stupid cops that kept adding more to the home that is truely there. DHS has agreed to everything the Cops have said even though this so called wonderful case worker came to my home that next day.
You are preaching to the wrong person about how Wonderful you DHS workers are.
Tell it to my children when they are sick, have ear infections for over a mth, all because these wonderful foster parents want to take themm to a reg. doctor instead of taking a child to the ER. Tell it to my middle daughter who had ringworm from this wonderful foster mothers dog, that was not treated until I got into my caseworkers face,
tell it to my youngest daughter that was an emergancy c section premie baby why she stays sick all the time, running a fever.
Tell me why for almost 6mths of living in Oklahoma and in a cluttered home my children was never sick never had any type of sore of any kind why they are gone? Yet this wonderful foster mother gets by with mistreating my children?
You can't because then you would be telling the whole world the TRUTH.
That DHS does not care about these kids, that DHS is just in it for the money. Tell me what makes your wonderful shelters, and foster parents so much better then us parents?
You honestly can't. Do stop trying to defend something that is not worth defending. Step up to what is right and do what is right. Start going by the law. We the people have rights, these children have rights. STOP TAKING THEM AWAY!!!
Dana

Oklahoma City, OK

#394 Feb 24, 2010
As a lot of you may know when I refused to lay down while DHS took my grandson illegally I was charged with a crime I DID NOT COMMIT. It is my pleasure to announce that after almost 2 years waiting for my jury trial I finally got it and the jury found me NOT GUILTY. So this means that in the end God prevailed over the devil once again. Now let me also add thank you God for being there for me in my hour of need. THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU
Sharon

Shawnee, OK

#395 Feb 24, 2010
Dana, Ok City. Are you saying you were found not guilty of abuse and you got your child back? Or was it re the restraining order DHS put on you for the threat you allegedly made? I wasn't aware DHS trials had juries, only criminal trials. Correct me if I am wrong.
Leonard Henderson

Depoe Bay, OR

#396 Feb 24, 2010
Sharon wrote:
Dana, Ok City. Are you saying you were found not guilty of abuse and you got your child back? Or was it re the restraining order DHS put on you for the threat you allegedly made? I wasn't aware DHS trials had juries, only criminal trials. Correct me if I am wrong.
Read Dana's story at-

http://familyrights.us/ok/dana_lawhon_story.h...

CPS kidnapped her boy on phony reasons. That boy was sodomized in foster care and ended up committing suicide over it.

OKDHS now has kidnapped her daughter's son for phony reasons and working on TPR. OKDHS has done everything short of killing DANA to shut her up and prevent her from helping her daughter.

This jury decision finds her NOT GUILTY of the lying crap OKDHS made up. It is a MAJOR win against the insane liar OKDHS worker who has fabricated the current case from whole cloth.

We hope this soon turns into a major news story.
anon

Oklahoma City, OK

#397 Feb 24, 2010
I think DHS cases can indeed have a jury trial. Though I'm not sure. It's possible that she was also charged with a crime in addition to the DHS case. A civil and criminal case from the same circumstances. My situation was similar to Dana's. Except I was forced to take a plea deal. DHS held my kids hostage while I was in jail and threatened to keep them in an abusive foster home unless I agreed to a plea to both DHS part and the criminal part. Fortunately, a few years later, after this was made known, both pleas were allowed to be withdrawn and the criminal charges dropped WITH prejudice. It's not called a plea in the civil DHS case. I don't remember the word used, but a plea is pretty much what it amounts too.

DHS workers are notorious for horrible unprofessional behavior in investigations. And I'm putting it quite mildly. They are also notorious for being drug abusers themselves, who work for DHS because they have difficulty in keeping jobs anywhere else. Some DHS locations are also known as "dumping grounds", or where the worst workers are placed. Turnover rate is often high and they are often shuffled around. It's not stress from their job that is making them resort to drugs. I know cops on bomb squads who don't resort to that. They are simply low life scum of the Earth, crappy people.

The DHS records aren't kept confidential to protect the children. They are kept secret to protect the workers. If someone with time on their hands could go in and investigate, and were able to look through all these documents and speak with the parents and folks involved, they would see a pattern and connect the dots. Then a class action suit could come of it and absolutely tear DHS all to pieces.

Judges make court orders all the time that DHS worker ignore. The courts are not too eager to enforce the orders against them because it's a govt. agency, and the other govt. branches certainly don't want to do any kind of hard core enforcement against one of their own. Even if it came to blows and the army or national guard were to come to these places to force over the paperwork, you would be able to hear DHS workers run the paper shredders across the country from behind locked and barricaded doors. That's just the type of people they are. Secretive, spiteful and nasty.
W Moore

Claremore, OK

#398 Feb 24, 2010
anon wrote:
I think DHS cases can indeed have a jury trial. Though I'm not sure. It's possible that she was also charged with a crime in addition to the DHS case. A civil and criminal case from the same circumstances. My situation was similar to Dana's. Except I was forced to take a plea deal. DHS held my kids hostage while I was in jail and threatened to keep them in an abusive foster home unless I agreed to a plea to both DHS part and the criminal part. Fortunately, a few years later, after this was made known, both pleas were allowed to be withdrawn and the criminal charges dropped WITH prejudice. It's not called a plea in the civil DHS case. I don't remember the word used, but a plea is pretty much what it amounts too.
DHS workers are notorious for horrible unprofessional behavior in investigations. And I'm putting it quite mildly. They are also notorious for being drug abusers themselves, who work for DHS because they have difficulty in keeping jobs anywhere else. Some DHS locations are also known as "dumping grounds", or where the worst workers are placed. Turnover rate is often high and they are often shuffled around. It's not stress from their job that is making them resort to drugs. I know cops on bomb squads who don't resort to that. They are simply low life scum of the Earth, crappy people.
The DHS records aren't kept confidential to protect the children. They are kept secret to protect the workers. If someone with time on their hands could go in and investigate, and were able to look through all these documents and speak with the parents and folks involved, they would see a pattern and connect the dots. Then a class action suit could come of it and absolutely tear DHS all to pieces.
Judges make court orders all the time that DHS worker ignore. The courts are not too eager to enforce the orders against them because it's a govt. agency, and the other govt. branches certainly don't want to do any kind of hard core enforcement against one of their own. Even if it came to blows and the army or national guard were to come to these places to force over the paperwork, you would be able to hear DHS workers run the paper shredders across the country from behind locked and barricaded doors. That's just the type of people they are. Secretive, spiteful and nasty.
"Stipulation" is the word you mean. It's a way to con parents into admitting guilt.
Leonard Henderson

Depoe Bay, OR

#399 Feb 24, 2010
"Stipulation". "Plea Bargaining".

It is also known as Legal Abuse.

See Karen Huffer's page on that-

http://www.legalabusesyndrome.org/

Leonard Henderson, co-founder
American Family Rights Association
http://familyrights.us
"Until Every Child Comes Home" ©
"The Voice of America's Families" ©
anon

Oklahoma City, OK

#400 Feb 24, 2010
Thank you. Yes, stipulation was the word I was looking for. If a parent, who is already beaten down and run ragged, "agrees" to stipulation, then the whole civil trial process is done away with and they go straight to a "treatment plan". Unless a parent has a really good attorney who knows how these people operate, then this is the time the DHS workers really do a tap dance all over the parents.

Also, court appointed attorneys will try and convince shell shocked, weary parents to stipulate in order to avoid a trial which could take hours if not days. Oft times the attorney doesn't bother to tell them the ramifications this could have and sometimes even goes out of their way to make it look like it's just no big deal. But if I've learned anything, it is that you cannot EVER give an inch to these people. It's grueling and exhausting, but you absolutely cannot back down AT ALL.
Successes

Tulsa, OK

#401 Feb 24, 2010
Leonard Henderson wrote:
Do you have a success story? I started a group years ago to give CPS workers the opportunity to tell their success stories. Never got a single one.
Leonard, I read your story and am saddened by your experience. I will say that one reason you may not have gotten any success stories in your group is because you are so zealous in your opposition. Had I wanted to relay a success story, I would not have done it on a forum that you sponsored.

I do not work for any CPS organization, just my thoughts on why you may not have had more success with your "success story" group.
DHS Employee

Blanchard, OK

#402 Feb 24, 2010
I can tell you, as a parent, the hardest thing I do is take a child away from their parents. While you and others may suffer from bad practices, you have to realize every prisoner claims innocence and their are no athiest in fox holes.
I will flat out tell you we have bad employees and I fight them at every turn I can. However, we have bad parents too and you must admit this as well.
I have seen scalded, burned, raped and tortured children. No one can condone this behavior by parents or others in charge of children, including foster parents.
I can tell you in the past in Oklahoma, the saying from higher ups was if you are going to err, err on the side of the child. Meaning, "when in doubt, yank them out." To this I responded that any error is an error and the cost to a child/family is too high a price to pay. I would love to be able to give you names of people I served that could tell you good stories about their experiences.
In the past I was in charge of a group of teen foster children. I asked each teen to tell me what CPS did right and then what CPS did wrong in relation to their cases. Some were mostly negative and others were mostly positive, as you would expect.
I would offer this advice to everyone, just as I do with my clients. Keep a journal of all contact made with CPS, counselors, attorneys etc...you are your best defence. Keep a copy of all papers generated for you. If you hire an attorney, hire one with experience in this field; not criminal or civil attorneys (though they will take your money too). Talk with teachers about any injury your child has come to school with. Our biggest callers are the schools. If they know about injuires, they are less likely to call CPS. Do not use CPS to settle custody disputes; this gets our foot in the door and it is not our job to find junk on your ex's. Spank on the bottom 1-3 times, use your hand, control the situation. If you like to party, leave your children with a RESPONSIBLE person, you are not responsible if you are drunk or high. Know the enemy; read OKDHS policy/definitions online. If you knwo you did something wrong, admit it and offer to accept services. These generally do not involve court processes.
Leonard Henderson

Depoe Bay, OR

#403 Feb 24, 2010
Successes wrote:
<quoted text>
Leonard, I read your story and am saddened by your experience. I will say that one reason you may not have gotten any success stories in your group is because you are so zealous in your opposition. Had I wanted to relay a success story, I would not have done it on a forum that you sponsored.
I do not work for any CPS organization, just my thoughts on why you may not have had more success with your "success story" group.
Well, AFRA does have friends in Social Work. When CPS agents start out by being adversarial and dishonest, they create the enemies that we turn into.

I do love a REAL success story, such as Dana Lawhon's recent win at Jury trial for the damages caused on her by a diagnosed mentally ill employee of OKDHS.

http://familyrights.us/news/archive/2010/febr...

If you have been following this thread, you see my discussion with "DHS employee" who simply cannot comprehend the concept of Constitutional Due Process and Child abuse as a crime that should be prosecuted as such- Instead of conducted in secret "Star Chamber" inquisitions.

For your educational edification, see Volksgerichtshof at-

http://familyrights.us/right_words/

Then see-

TOTALITARIANISM IN AMERICA
By Stephen Baskerville, Ph.D
December 18, 2007
NewsWithViews.com

Mass incarcerations without trial or charge; forced confessions; children forcibly separated from their parents with no reasons given; doctored hearing transcripts and falsified court records; evidence fabricated against the innocent; government agents entering the homes, examining private papers and personal effects, and seizing the property of citizens who are under no suspicion of legal wrongdoing; special courts created specifically to convict people who cannot be convicted in ordinary courts; children instructed to hate their parents by state functionaries: Is all this the Soviet Union in the 1930s or Communist China in the 1960s? Is this some novelistís prognosticated dystopia? No, all this and more is routine in the United States today.

Full Story-
http://www.newswithviews.com/Baskerville/step...

Leonard Henderson, co-founder
American Family Rights Association
http://familyrights.us
"Until Every Child Comes Home" ©
"The Voice of America's Families" ©
W Moore

Tulsa, OK

#404 Feb 24, 2010
You said "Spank on the bottom 1-3 times, use your hand", is that the law or DHS policy?
W Moore

Tulsa, OK

#405 Feb 24, 2010
DHS Employee wrote:
I can tell you, as a parent, the hardest thing I do is take a child away from their parents. While you and others may suffer from bad practices, you have to realize every prisoner claims innocence and their are no athiest in fox holes.
I will flat out tell you we have bad employees and I fight them at every turn I can. However, we have bad parents too and you must admit this as well.
I have seen scalded, burned, raped and tortured children. No one can condone this behavior by parents or others in charge of children, including foster parents.
I can tell you in the past in Oklahoma, the saying from higher ups was if you are going to err, err on the side of the child. Meaning, "when in doubt, yank them out." To this I responded that any error is an error and the cost to a child/family is too high a price to pay. I would love to be able to give you names of people I served that could tell you good stories about their experiences.
In the past I was in charge of a group of teen foster children. I asked each teen to tell me what CPS did right and then what CPS did wrong in relation to their cases. Some were mostly negative and others were mostly positive, as you would expect.
I would offer this advice to everyone, just as I do with my clients. Keep a journal of all contact made with CPS, counselors, attorneys etc...you are your best defence. Keep a copy of all papers generated for you. If you hire an attorney, hire one with experience in this field; not criminal or civil attorneys (though they will take your money too). Talk with teachers about any injury your child has come to school with. Our biggest callers are the schools. If they know about injuires, they are less likely to call CPS. Do not use CPS to settle custody disputes; this gets our foot in the door and it is not our job to find junk on your ex's. Spank on the bottom 1-3 times, use your hand, control the situation. If you like to party, leave your children with a RESPONSIBLE person, you are not responsible if you are drunk or high. Know the enemy; read OKDHS policy/definitions online. If you knwo you did something wrong, admit it and offer to accept services. These generally do not involve court processes.
You said "Spank on the bottom 1-3 times, use your hand", is that the law or DHS policy?
Leonard Henderson

Depoe Bay, OR

#406 Feb 24, 2010
Spanking- I am just dying to see "DHS employee's" answer to that.

I do know that nationally, CPS hates, hates, HATES spanking. In fact, CPS hates punishment of kids in any way. We have cases where the parents were prosecuted for "excessive timeouts".

We live in a country where parents are absolutely sabotaged.

Leonard
DHS Employee

Blanchard, OK

#407 Feb 24, 2010
W.Moore....spanking on the bottom is the preferred method I advise my clients to use. It is on the bottom that in children over age 10, bruises are not supposed to be considered abuse. Also, "spanking" kids else where tends to lead to accidental injuries, bruises etc.....Using the hand eliminates the chance of a belt wrapping around a jumping child's legs, stomach or other places and leaving accidental injuries. Using your hand allows you to feel the force you are applying, while belts, switches and other things do not.

It is not law or policy, it is common sense in my mind and experience.

I further recommend using spanking as a last resort; when other efforts to correct a child have failed. In this manner, if CPS asks, even a child can say mom tried time outs, taking away things and then I got spanked etc....

I suggest you read OKDHS policy online.
DHS Employee

Blanchard, OK

#408 Feb 24, 2010
Again, in Oklahoma, spanking is neither a crime or child abuse as long as it does not cross the line of being abuse/beating. Thus my recommendations above. Read OKDHS policy online. In Oklahoma, the legislature passed a resolution allowing spanking.

I, for a fact, spank my children and at least 75% those worker's I know with children spank too. In fact, my local school still uses the paddle; just ask my son what the results are if I get a call from the school asking to use the paddle.

We do not detest spanking, and I have even outlined my recommendations prior to Lenard's post. See above Leonard!! Perhaps you can remove that shoe from your mouth now....And perhaps you can start to quit painting every CPS worker with your broad paint brush.

Discipline is encouraged, not frowned upon by my office. The proper discipline for children strengthens the family and results in happier children. Self discipline by the parents is also prefered, as those without self discipline are the ones who tend to get out of control leading to accidental injury of a child. There is no substitute for good discipline be it for the child or the parent.

W Moore

Tulsa, OK

#409 Feb 24, 2010
DHS Employee wrote:
W.Moore....spanking on the bottom is the preferred method I advise my clients to use. It is on the bottom that in children over age 10, bruises are not supposed to be considered abuse. Also, "spanking" kids else where tends to lead to accidental injuries, bruises etc.....Using the hand eliminates the chance of a belt wrapping around a jumping child's legs, stomach or other places and leaving accidental injuries. Using your hand allows you to feel the force you are applying, while belts, switches and other things do not.
It is not law or policy, it is common sense in my mind and experience.
I further recommend using spanking as a last resort; when other efforts to correct a child have failed. In this manner, if CPS asks, even a child can say mom tried time outs, taking away things and then I got spanked etc....
I suggest you read OKDHS policy online.
So now it's about teaching parenting,(by your opinion) not abuse and neglect? Why don't you provide our audience with your curriculum Vitae so they might ascertain the level of your professional training and expertise your opinions rely on that you in a place of authority "advise" others to follow.
Do you also inform and respect,(regardless of your opinion)the legal right of parents in OK. to spank their children?

Parents/teachers/other persons can use ordinary force as a means of discipline, including but not limited to spanking, switching, or paddling. 21 Sec. 844.[Cr.] Criminal penalty for using unreasonable force upon a child under 18. 10
Sec. 7115.[Cr.]

I assure you I do read DHS policy, to inform others when it's not followed by DHS workers.
DHS Employee

Blanchard, OK

#410 Feb 24, 2010
Moore....

Well then, we are in agreement as to spanking.

My advice is based on both my experience (first) and DHS policy. Professional training? I did not know one had to be professionally trained to offer advice. Or would you prefer I be some PhD person telling you this? I offer insight as a parent and a CPS worker for the "evil empire." Of course I respect a parents right to spank, I just outlined my advice to parents and my own use of spanking. Are you not reading what is written in my posts above?

I steer parents away from using a switch, though I was switched as a child. This is because a switch can cut the skin. A child moving to avoid a switch or belt can lead to unintended injuries on other parts of the body including the face, head and chest. This is what I meant by controlling the situation when spanking.
Leonard Henderson

Depoe Bay, OR

#411 Feb 24, 2010
DHS Employee wrote:
...Leonard!! Perhaps you can remove that shoe from your mouth now....And perhaps you can start to quit painting every CPS worker with your broad paint brush.
Perhaps "DHS employee" can appreciate that I speak about national policies. And I assure you that spanking is strictly forbidden in any way, shape or form in most states of the US and in Canada, England, Australia, New Zealand, and most certainly the Scandanavian countries.

And speaking personally, having been in Oregon, the Soviet Union of the West most of my life, if I moved to Oklahoma and whipped one of my kids, and am sure that your assurances are going to fly like a lead balloon in court.

The judge would say "Where did you get the idea that spanking a kid is OK?" And I would say "An anonymous poster on a newspaper comments site told me so".

Oh yeah. I can see my name up in lights. Beautiful.

http://familyrights.us/info/spanking_laws.htm

The #1 advice we give at AFRA is "Do NOTHING that could even remotely appear to be abuse".

Spanking a kid is the path straight to hell for a parent ANYWHERE.

Who is giving the good advice here?

Leonard Henderson, co-founder
American Family Rights Association
http://familyrights.us
"Until Every Child Comes Home" ©
"The Voice of America's Families" ©
W Moore

Tulsa, OK

#412 Feb 24, 2010
DHS Employee wrote:
Again, in Oklahoma, spanking is neither a crime or child abuse as long as it does not cross the line of being abuse/beating. Thus my recommendations above. Read OKDHS policy online. In Oklahoma, the legislature passed a resolution allowing spanking.
I, for a fact, spank my children and at least 75% those worker's I know with children spank too. In fact, my local school still uses the paddle; just ask my son what the results are if I get a call from the school asking to use the paddle.
We do not detest spanking, and I have even outlined my recommendations prior to Lenard's post. See above Leonard!! Perhaps you can remove that shoe from your mouth now....And perhaps you can start to quit painting every CPS worker with your broad paint brush.
Discipline is encouraged, not frowned upon by my office. The proper discipline for children strengthens the family and results in happier children. Self discipline by the parents is also prefered, as those without self discipline are the ones who tend to get out of control leading to accidental injury of a child. There is no substitute for good discipline be it for the child or the parent.
In an article regarding the legislation you mentioned we're reminded by Democratic Sen. Frank Shurden of Henryetta that it was already legal, it appears it was DHS who needed educated. I wonder how many parents complained of being convinced/coerced to stipulate/accept services by workers who weren't educated in the law to bring this about.

"Shurden said the wording already appeared in another section of state law that also gave teachers the right to paddle but was unknown to many child-abuse investigators or state welfare workers".

http://dcfabuse.com/united_states_statutes_pe...

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