Two die in North Adams car accident

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Focus wrote:

It is not up the servers! How about some individual responsibilty
My condolences

All servers take the TIPS course. They are responsible for serving or not serving a patron who is already impaired.

DRUNKS! The only good that came out of this is that they hurt themselves and not some innocent person or family! All you are hearing now is "sue the city", "sue the army core of engineers". Screw that! If they could not be responsible and act in a responsible manner, then it's just too bad.

Drunks wrote:

DRUNKS! The only good that came out of this is that they hurt themselves and not some innocent person or family! All you are hearing now is "sue the city", "sue the army core of engineers". Screw that! If they could not be responsible and act in a responsible manner, then it's just too bad.

True. In fifty years no one drove into the river from canal St.

are you kidding me wrote:

Morning wood? Really? Sick fuck. You would give yourself a name like that wouldn't you? Drunks? That's all you can say? Did you stop to consider, that these men were sons, brothers, friends, nephews, FATHERS! SiX children lost their daddy's. Chris was also an ex- Marine. Yes, drinking and driving isn't smart but we all make bad decisions in our lives. Let me guess pervert,(with a name like you gave yourself, you can't get be anything but a sick fuck) You're perfect right? NOBODY deserves to die in such a tragic way. They were both nice people, maybe with a few demons, who knows, but to refer to the men that lost their lives, as DRUNKS is disrespectful and cold hearted. To make such ignorant comments just makes you a stupid person. And one other thing, just to clarify. They were last drinking at the ARTERY, not the Crystal Hard Hat. If you people can't have respect for the families and friends that are suffering deeply right now, keep your comments to yourself. You disgust me. My heartfelt condolences to the families and friends of Christopher and Chad. My thought and prayers are with you at this devastating time.

I agree! there is no way to know what happened those few moments that night. were they over the legal limit? perhaps. but are the people who are screaming "drunk" pure of ever having been into a bar, or to having a drink? maybe two? at a wedding perhaps? alcohol is alcohol even if it is consumed at a wedding or in a home with friends. what about the possibility that this was caused by something mechanical. I've had a stuck gas peddal. it's terrifying when the vehicle speeds up and you can't think fast enough how to stop it in a safe way. turn it off and you don't have power brakes or steering. tap the peddal and it may release it, or it may make it stick farther down.
no one who was in that truck survived. no one knows what happened in the last few minutes of their lives. but people sure do like to point fingers and accuse. if you are so concerned about the innocent bystanders who might have been involved, what about the innocent children who ARE?
my son went to school with Chad. did you know him? my son did. he's not saying this was "lucky" or that Chad was a drunk. quite the opposite. I also know a little girl who will miss her uncle chris very, very much. she's too young to understand, but she will miss him. and like was said, parents, children, friends and relatives didn't deserve this. so why not give these people a break? do you think they are happy about what happened? could you be any more cruel? doesn't seem like you are so perfect to me to be throwing stones!
and by the way, I'm not saying to drive drunk is good, smart, or even acceptable. I would never say that. but I also know that years ago it was the normal way of life. and today we might know better but everyone seems to think that only bad people forget, or have one too many. not true!

rest in peace chad and chris.may god help your familys through the pain . some people on this site are cold hearted.

well i see they are screening posts so there is nothing i can say that will change what had happened.

you screen the people telling the truth. media is certainly left wing liberal trash

morning wood wrote:

<quoted text>yep just like sue would have posted on here your just another piece of crap salesman from mcandrewsking. good going, guess President was not so good to you idiots.

I drove crater face Sue off ...ha ha ha she is a Huuugggaaaaa A hole.

are you kidding me wrote:

Morning wood? Really? Sick fuck. You would give yourself a name like that wouldn't you? Drunks? That's all you can say? Did you stop to consider, that these men were sons, brothers, friends, nephews, FATHERS! SiX children lost their daddy's. Chris was also an ex- Marine. Yes, drinking and driving isn't smart but we all make bad decisions in our lives. Let me guess pervert,(with a name like you gave yourself, you can't get be anything but a sick fuck) You're perfect right? NOBODY deserves to die in such a tragic way. They were both nice people, maybe with a few demons, who knows, but to refer to the men that lost their lives, as DRUNKS is disrespectful and cold hearted. To make such ignorant comments just makes you a stupid person. And one other thing, just to clarify. They were last drinking at the ARTERY, not the Crystal Hard Hat. If you people can't have respect for the families and friends that are suffering deeply right now, keep your comments to yourself. You disgust me. My heartfelt condolences to the families and friends of Christopher and Chad. My thought and prayers are with you at this devastating time.

all i can say if one drinks and drive after a few hrs of partying what do you think is going to happen. the father of six should have stayed home as most fathers do at night. call me what you want but i am still alive and do not drink and drive ever. i am not a cold hearted person the two that were drinking and driving and breaking the law were. it also seems my last post to you was deleted but what i said is the truth to many drunk drivers on the road killing themselves and the worst killing innocent people and families everyday. just another drunk driver in pittsfield last night plowed through a house full of innocent people that could have been killed. those people might have been your friends but the world doesn't need anymore drunk drivers on the road. ex marine or not he still broke the law. i feel sadder for little kids that lost a parent to cancer that they had no control over but this father did have control over his life till he got drunk by his own choice and drove. look at the wife in pittsfield that jumped out of a moving car. look at the drunk in lee or lenox that was crawling in the crosswalk because he was so drunk he couldn't walk, look at the young man in lenox that killed that young girl. its time to stop drunk driving because the killing just keeps going on and on. oh yea don't forget Meridith nilan hit and run accident hit the guy and his dog. stop making excuses up for these people. we all have a right to drive on the roads safe without drunks on the road or do you think otherwise.

sher wrote:

<quoted text>All servers take the TIPS course. They are responsible for serving or not serving a patron who is already impaired.

I tended bar in North Adams for several years and was never required to take a TIPS course.

I had a terrible experience once when one of my friends had a few too many when I was serving and got into a terrible accident. I realized that she had too much and begged her to let me drive her home. When I went to use the bathroom, she had left. I found out a few days later that instead of driving home, she had decided she would drive half way across the state to go visit her son and got into an accident.

She didn't sue the bar, she took personal responsibility for her own actions and I never really forgave myself. Come to find out, she had pulled these antics before. She would get loaded and refuse rides home and sneak away when no one was looking.

I don't know what the easy answer is in these cases. Putting all of the responsibility on the server is crap. Unless the servers have the right to take the keys of everyone who enters the bar and administer a breathalyzer test before they give the keys back, they should not be held responsible for ADULTS who choose to drink and drive.

its all good wrote:

<quoted text>all i can say if one drinks and drive after a few hrs of partying what do you think is going to happen. the father of six should have stayed home as most fathers do at night. call me what you want but i am still alive and do not drink and drive ever. i am not a cold hearted person the two that were drinking and driving and breaking the law were. it also seems my last post to you was deleted but what i said is the truth to many drunk drivers on the road killing themselves and the worst killing innocent people and families everyday. just another drunk driver in pittsfield last night plowed through a house full of innocent people that could have been killed. those people might have been your friends but the world doesn't need anymore drunk drivers on the road. ex marine or not he still broke the law. i feel sadder for little kids that lost a parent to cancer that they had no control over but this father did have control over his life till he got drunk by his own choice and drove. look at the wife in pittsfield that jumped out of a moving car. look at the drunk in lee or lenox that was crawling in the crosswalk because he was so drunk he couldn't walk, look at the young man in lenox that killed that young girl. its time to stop drunk driving because the killing just keeps going on and on. oh yea don't forget Meridith nilan hit and run accident hit the guy and his dog. stop making excuses up for these people. we all have a right to drive on the roads safe without drunks on the road or do you think otherwise.

although I find your points to be, for the most part anyway, correct and with merrit, my response to you is that it might be appropriate on a different thread but not here. I also question why you would feel differently toward the children who lose a father to cancer than the children who lose a father to alcohol. how are the innocent children any different? did the CHILDREN chose to have the father drink and get into a vehicle? of course not. they are innocent victims in both situations.
so I ask you, please, take your judgements to another thread and stop posting them on this one. then have at it. you do make good points, and I, like you, do not ever chose to drink and drive. my family is HUGE on designated drivers for wedding and such, usually me. but the bottom line is that at this point it doesn't do any good to hurt the hurting by your comments. and just like the person who drinks and drives, you are hurting innocent bystanders with your CHOICE!

blackbird wrote:

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although I find your points to be, for the most part anyway, correct and with merrit, my response to you is that it might be appropriate on a different thread but not here. I also question why you would feel differently toward the children who lose a father to cancer than the children who lose a father to alcohol. how are the innocent children any different? did the CHILDREN chose to have the father drink and get into a vehicle? of course not. they are innocent victims in both situations.
so I ask you, please, take your judgements to another thread and stop posting them on this one. then have at it. you do make good points, and I, like you, do not ever chose to drink and drive. my family is HUGE on designated drivers for wedding and such, usually me. but the bottom line is that at this point it doesn't do any good to hurt the hurting by your comments. and just like the person who drinks and drives, you are hurting innocent bystanders with your CHOICE!

i don't care what you think lady i already lost a cousin to a drunk driver his two children never knew who their father was because of that drunk he was hit by a tractor trailer nothing was left of him but parts of his body and they were torn apart to pieces. i am not the one that hurt that family their own father did so put the blame where the blame lays why are druggies and drunks always protected by people its beyond me to figure that out. does it really matter even if i went to a different thread to post. drunks are the one that hurts everyone even if they aren't a family member. many innocent people lose people to death its a part of life and nothing is kind about that. my choice is to stop drinking and driving because they are the ones that hurt themselves and other that are innocent. say what you want about me but i never killed anyone by drinking to much. when my cousin got killed did you come to my cousin family to comfort them no you did not nobody did its been 40 years since he died. i am just glad those two idiots didn't take a life of a innocent person for all you know he could have killed one of your family member then what would that have been ok with you no it would not. you be the first crying on this forum. you can not protect the children from what their father did people will always talk about it. plus i doubt this is the first time he went parting at a bar and drinking and driving. don't adults have any respect for the law about drinking and driving anymore. this is all i have to say about it and i hope people will stop drinking and driving and save their own life and a life of a stranger just ask a mother who lost their child to a drunk driver and see what they would have said!

morning wood wrote:

<quoted text>i don't care what you think lady i already lost a cousin to a drunk driver his two children never knew who their father was because of that drunk he was hit by a tractor trailer nothing was left of him but parts of his body and they were torn apart to pieces. i am not the one that hurt that family their own father did so put the blame where the blame lays why are druggies and drunks always protected by people its beyond me to figure that out. does it really matter even if i went to a different thread to post. drunks are the one that hurts everyone even if they aren't a family member. many innocent people lose people to death its a part of life and nothing is kind about that. my choice is to stop drinking and driving because they are the ones that hurt themselves and other that are innocent. say what you want about me but i never killed anyone by drinking to much. when my cousin got killed did you come to my cousin family to comfort them no you did not nobody did its been 40 years since he died. i am just glad those two idiots didn't take a life of a innocent person for all you know he could have killed one of your family member then what would that have been ok with you no it would not. you be the first crying on this forum. you can not protect the children from what their father did people will always talk about it. plus i doubt this is the first time he went parting at a bar and drinking and driving. don't adults have any respect for the law about drinking and driving anymore. this is all i have to say about it and i hope people will stop drinking and driving and save their own life and a life of a stranger just ask a mother who lost their child to a drunk driver and see what they would have said!

I am very sorry for your pain. I understand. I've lost loved ones to drunk driving myself and I know the mess it leaves behind for the families to deal with. that is why I ask that you not hurt them further. it will not change anything. it won't stop anyone else from making a bad choice. it won't bring your cousin back, and it won't help these 2 families heal, especially the children.
I don't care if you care about them, or me, or even my opinion. but I ask you to please be kind to the children who do not deserve the pain they are being subjected to. start a thread about drunk driving. cite instances. offer facts about what it does to the family. share your own experiences, as I often do. but please stop kicking the poor children in the face with your hurtful posts. I didn't drive drunk and kill your cousin. and neither did these children. please, please do something positive with that pain instead of hurting others because you are hurting.

Less Trash on the road

My point is:
It is interesting that on River Street between Brown and Marshall Streets we have that attractive fencing.
On Canal Street, where there is a short distance between the road and the chute, the only barrier preventing anyone or anything (i.e. vehicle) from a 12 foot drop into the river is a dilapitated chain link fencing approximately 36 inches high. I am sure "morning wood" that fencing is as old as the chute and we now know, worthless.
Sure, these guys were allegedly drunk and speeding but perhaps (?), maybe (?), possibly (?) their deaths may have been prevented had there been a more adequate barrier at the top of the chute.
I point out again exactly how close the chute is to street. And I say again, I am surprised that there has not been a tragedy here in the past.
Whoever is responsible needs to look at this before another tragedy occurs.
My condolences to the families and friends of these two individuals.

Really___ wrote:

My point is:
It is interesting that on River Street between Brown and Marshall Streets we have that attractive fencing.
On Canal Street, where there is a short distance between the road and the chute, the only barrier preventing anyone or anything (i.e. vehicle) from a 12 foot drop into the river is a dilapitated chain link fencing approximately 36 inches high. I am sure "morning wood" that fencing is as old as the chute and we now know, worthless.
Sure, these guys were allegedly drunk and speeding but perhaps (?), maybe (?), possibly (?) their deaths may have been prevented had there been a more adequate barrier at the top of the chute.
I point out again exactly how close the chute is to street. And I say again, I am surprised that there has not been a tragedy here in the past.
Whoever is responsible needs to look at this before another tragedy occurs.
My condolences to the families and friends of these two individuals.

you know, that is a good point. although people are on a short street and you would think people would not be going terribly fast, the fence that is there is not really a barrier to cars. I doubt it was ever thought of that way. it is a barrier to people. it certainly isn't of the same protection level as, say a guard rail. perhaps that is something that should be looked into.

The only reason that the vehicle could have been speeding is if it was traveling West on River St, then crossed Eagle to Canal where control was lost.

There is a lot of accidents there. its dangerous even crossing on foot.if you speed there is a curve on canal just before the bar.that curve is hard to see at night speeding and lack of lights played a factor..Just sayin...was the car in the canal?

cil wrote:

There is a lot of accidents there. its dangerous even crossing on foot.if you speed there is a curve on canal just before the bar.that curve is hard to see at night speeding and lack of lights played a factor..Just sayin...was the car in the canal?

You lazy nitwit- can't you read the Transcript or iberkshires?? of course the truck (not car) was in the canal--upside down---a lot of accidents- first one I ever heard of on Canal St.