Two die in North Adams car accident

Feb 19, 2012 Full story: WTEN-TV Albany 60

At approximately 2:42 a.m. on Sunday a police officer was on patrol in the area of Canal Street and discovered a portion of a fence between the Crystal Hard Hat and Eagle Street intersection was knocked down.

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Northampton, MA

#1 Feb 20, 2012
first, my condolences to the family

quoted from(referring to Crystal Hard Hat owner)
http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s2503901.shtm...

"Todd Hebert, a bar owner just up the street from the accident scene, said he talked to Miller a couple of hours before he died."

"2:42 a.m"? when and where are the bar owners held accountable, even hours later? while this is still under investigation, you can only speculate on what happened.

"the accident is still under investigation. but police confirmed that speed was a factor"

whats the chance alcohol may have been a factor here? granted, it is sad for anyone to die at such an early time in their life, this is not the first time someone had went over in that very place. should there be guardrails placed alongside the river? even then, that is not the only along the canal that pose such dangers. now combine a bad situation with a worse situation and you get an avoidable situation.

the Crystal Hard Hat sure knows how to avoid responsibility, and not just in this case. with the many fights and many drugs that flow through that place, why has seemingly nothing been done about this problem? i am sure every bar and lounge will have its own issues and to be realistic is unavoidable. why is none of this conversation not being posted by the local media? why do we have to go to a NY station to get the real news? its still not to say that Hebert would be at fault here but it sure don't look so well.

all and all i would wish this is not to be the case, but only time will tell. parents need to remind their children, speed kills, especially when there is alcohol in the mix.
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North Adams, MA

#2 Feb 20, 2012
local wrote:
first, my condolences to the family
quoted from(referring to Crystal Hard Hat owner)
http://wnyt.com/article/stories/s2503901.shtm...
"Todd Hebert, a bar owner just up the street from the accident scene, said he talked to Miller a couple of hours before he died."
"2:42 a.m"? when and where are the bar owners held accountable, even hours later? while this is still under investigation, you can only speculate on what happened.
"the accident is still under investigation. but police confirmed that speed was a factor"
whats the chance alcohol may have been a factor here? granted, it is sad for anyone to die at such an early time in their life, this is not the first time someone had went over in that very place. should there be guardrails placed alongside the river? even then, that is not the only along the canal that pose such dangers. now combine a bad situation with a worse situation and you get an avoidable situation.
the Crystal Hard Hat sure knows how to avoid responsibility, and not just in this case. with the many fights and many drugs that flow through that place, why has seemingly nothing been done about this problem? i am sure every bar and lounge will have its own issues and to be realistic is unavoidable. why is none of this conversation not being posted by the local media? why do we have to go to a NY station to get the real news? its still not to say that Hebert would be at fault here but it sure don't look so well.
all and all i would wish this is not to be the case, but only time will tell. parents need to remind their children, speed kills, especially when there is alcohol in the mix.
The Crystal Hard Hat is the North Adams post for the Hell's Angles!! Need I say any more ?
cil

Great Barrington, MA

#3 Feb 20, 2012
PRAYERS with the FAMILY... one must understand a little about BROADCASTING we have NY as are NEWS source because FCC give areas BERKSHIRES are considered NY so unless it big enough news to attract NECN,CNN,that has more area the local Stations we get NY.. probably why the HELL ANGELS bar is in NORTH ADAMS...bars in general are a problem in the city fights,stabbings,nothing is reported...bars keep doing business..Nothing like North Adams!
sher

Philadelphia, PA

#4 Feb 20, 2012
May Chad and Chris Rest in Peace. There are many who barhop. It is up to the servers to determine the extent of a person's ability to drive. Many people drink in their personal vehicles after hours.
Tina stanley

New York, NY

#5 Feb 20, 2012
Rest in Paradise Chris. My brother, My hero. Iloveyu, you're gone, but never forgotten. <3
Focus

United States

#6 Feb 20, 2012
It is not up the servers! How about some individual responsibilty

My condolences
jon

North Adams, MA

#7 Feb 20, 2012
chad miller was piece off crap,, one less person
we have too support in the court system he going too save the tax payers a lot of money,,and for crystal hard hat this will be there last straw.they be losing there insurances over this...
IM Pettyfogger

Chicopee, MA

#8 Feb 20, 2012
jon wrote:
chad miller was piece off crap,, one less person
we have too support in the court system he going too save the tax payers a lot of money,,and for crystal hard hat this will be there last straw.they be losing there insurances over this...
If they were drinking in that dive the family should get a lawyer and sue them out of business. The place is a dump and a dive and draws fly's.

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#10 Feb 20, 2012
jon wrote:
chad miller was piece off crap,, one less person
we have too support in the court system he going too save the tax payers a lot of money,,and for crystal hard hat this will be there last straw.they be losing there insurances over this...
What is wrong with you? That is the coldest s*it. Have respect for his family & friends at least.
blame the drunks

Chester, MA

#12 Feb 20, 2012
sher wrote:
May Chad and Chris Rest in Peace. There are many who barhop. It is up to the servers to determine the extent of a person's ability to drive. Many people drink in their personal vehicles after hours.
No! It is up to the drunks to be responsible, NOT the servers! The servers may not know where the patrons have been or what they had to drink (or stuffed up their noses, breathed into their lungs, or injected into their veins) before entering their establishments. I'm so sick of everyone wanting to blame the bars/bartenders when something like this happens.

May Chad and Chris rest in peace. God bless their friends and families.
mcandrews king lemons

Chicopee, MA

#13 Feb 20, 2012
PETER C wrote:
Don't forget out huge president's day sale at MCANDREWS-KING BUICK AND GMC TRUCK find out why WAYNE AND PETER at MCANDREWS-KING RT 8 IN ADAMS our "nice people to do business with" come down and say hi to our hometown heroes!!
What a pathetic worm you are. Is business that bad? I wouldn't let you b-a-stards change the flint in my lighter.
morning wood

Williamstown, MA

#14 Feb 20, 2012
PETER C wrote:
Don't forget out huge president's day sale at MCANDREWS-KING BUICK AND GMC TRUCK find out why WAYNE AND PETER at MCANDREWS-KING RT 8 IN ADAMS our "nice people to do business with" come down and say hi to our hometown heroes!!
yep just like sue would have posted on here your just another piece of crap salesman from mcandrewsking. good going, guess President was not so good to you idiots.
More Drunks

Holyoke, MA

#15 Feb 20, 2012
Let's see. 2:30 in the morning, coming out of a bar, all cocked up and driving a vehicle. That is DWI folks. If they didn't drive off the cliff into the river, then they could have gone off and killed some innocent people driving on the highway. My condolences to their families, but drinking and driving kills people, the same way smoking cigarettes kills people. It is a choice that people do and you have to be aware of the consequences.
Berdards deals

Greenfield, MA

#16 Feb 20, 2012
Chevy, dodges,fords great deal, nice people to do business with, BIrd
Really___

North Adams, MA

#17 Feb 20, 2012
Wonder how long before families take off after not only the bar but also the city.....great restraint that chain link is there along the chute!! Quite surprised someone hasn't taken a nose dive there before this!
unreal

United States

#18 Feb 20, 2012
JON, really? Have a heart. You are a sick twisted individual. I knew both Chad and Chris and neither ot them would make a cowardly statement like that, hiding behind a simple name like "jon", on a site like this. You are a disgusting person. Your cold, horrible statement makes it quite obvious who the REAL piece of shit is! It's the coward named "Jon" who anonymously posts this kind of SHIT. What is your whole name, coward?
morning wood

Williamstown, MA

#19 Feb 21, 2012
Really___ wrote:
Wonder how long before families take off after not only the bar but also the city.....great restraint that chain link is there along the chute!! Quite surprised someone hasn't taken a nose dive there before this!
why should the city be in trouble because a couple of men got so drunk they ran threw it and got killed. come on now its the men fault 100 percent its against the law to drink and drive just glad they killed themselves and not a innocent person or family that could have been on that road at the same time. the city should sue their estate if they have anything for damages to that fence. drunks are bad for everyone and its always some one else fault when they get killed except themselves. the lesson here is not to drink and drive because more then likely you will end up dead like these two drunks did or worse like the joker from pittsfield when his drunk wife jump out of their moving car and got killed and he left her there dead on the road the whole family was out drinking and driving. drunks get what they deserve killed!!!
DPW Proud Wife

North Adams, MA

#20 Feb 21, 2012
My condolences to the families and friends of these two young men. I'm sorry for your loss.
jackson

Clifton Park, NY

#21 Feb 21, 2012
Really___ wrote:
Wonder how long before families take off after not only the bar but also the city.....great restraint that chain link is there along the chute!! Quite surprised someone hasn't taken a nose dive there before this!
the Army Corps of Engineers ( I believe) are in charge of maintenance of the chutes. The city gets reimbursed for money spent on repairs. so the corps would be responsible
are you kidding me

United States

#22 Feb 21, 2012
Morning wood? Really? Sick fuck. You would give yourself a name like that wouldn't you? Drunks? That's all you can say? Did you stop to consider, that these men were sons, brothers, friends, nephews, FATHERS! SiX children lost their daddy's. Chris was also an ex- Marine. Yes, drinking and driving isn't smart but we all make bad decisions in our lives. Let me guess pervert,(with a name like you gave yourself, you can't get be anything but a sick fuck) You're perfect right? NOBODY deserves to die in such a tragic way. They were both nice people, maybe with a few demons, who knows, but to refer to the men that lost their lives, as DRUNKS is disrespectful and cold hearted. To make such ignorant comments just makes you a stupid person. And one other thing, just to clarify. They were last drinking at the ARTERY, not the Crystal Hard Hat. If you people can't have respect for the families and friends that are suffering deeply right now, keep your comments to yourself. You disgust me. My heartfelt condolences to the families and friends of Christopher and Chad. My thought and prayers are with you at this devastating time.

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