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NARH union decries demands

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Union officials at North Adams Regional Hospital charged Friday that hospital management has presented employees with a list of 18 demands that, among other things, threaten retirement benefits, overtime pay and seniority status for the number of years worked at the hospital.

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Nov 7, 2009
 
Hey Glenn, shouldn't the big story here be that the hospital is looking for a buyer or a merger? Employees received a letter some weeks back confirming this. We've been told it's Berkshire Health, Baystate or UMass Medical Center that they're trying to woo. Also, check the financial bond rating sites and look for the most recent bond rating for North Adams, which came out recently... the financial outlook is very dim for our local hospital and the managers don't want to admit it.
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Nov 7, 2009
 
facts wrote:
Hey Glenn, shouldn't the big story here be that the hospital is looking for a buyer or a merger? Employees received a letter some weeks back confirming this. We've been told it's Berkshire Health, Baystate or UMass Medical Center that they're trying to woo. Also, check the financial bond rating sites and look for the most recent bond rating for North Adams, which came out recently... the financial outlook is very dim for our local hospital and the managers don't want to admit it.
Maybe the outlook is dim due to the cost of having to retain and compensate union employees that are neither the best nor the brightest. That's what unions are for, right? Protecting the worst and preventing one from rewarding the best.

In this economy you're lucky you have a job. Stop whining and maybe if you're lucky our hospital won't end up like GM.
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Nov 7, 2009
 
I went there once and it made me sick.
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Nov 8, 2009
 
manny wrote:
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Maybe the outlook is dim due to the cost of having to retain and compensate union employees that are neither the best nor the brightest. That's what unions are for, right? Protecting the worst and preventing one from rewarding the best.
In this economy you're lucky you have a job. Stop whining and maybe if you're lucky our hospital won't end up like GM.

I dislike people like you who don't know what there talking about. I happen to work at NARH and I am a union member. How would you like to go 2 years without a raise. We took the hospital on or backs for 2 years for what so they could cry again they don't have money. Now they don't want to give us a pension, and a lot of other thing they want to take away from us.How bright are you? Do you work or are you on disability? That's what everybody says be happy you have a job so that means let them walk all over you and kiss there a-- because I have a job. Don't think so.
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Nov 8, 2009
 

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Well go get a job at Berkshire Medical but they wouldnt hire anyone from NARH...(Not A Real Hospital )
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tinkerbell wrote:
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I dislike people like you who don't know what there talking about. I happen to work at NARH and I am a union member. How would you like to go 2 years without a raise. We took the hospital on or backs for 2 years for what so they could cry again they don't have money. Now they don't want to give us a pension, and a lot of other thing they want to take away from us.How bright are you? Do you work or are you on disability? That's what everybody says be happy you have a job so that means let them walk all over you and kiss there a-- because I have a job. Don't think so.
Nobody in their right mind would give you a pension.Ever hear of GM? The pension and retirement medicl benifits do any company in.Open an IRA or learn to eat cake you over paid underworked union lackey.Two years without a raise? So what do you expect when profits are down so are raises.Don't like it then take your highly trained union a_ss somewhere else you should have no problem finding another job.
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My child had several of her stitches fall out less than 3 days from being at the ER for a laceration. The Doctor there could not even tie her own damn shoe.
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tinkerbell wrote:
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I dislike people like you who don't know what there talking about. I happen to work at NARH and I am a union member. How would you like to go 2 years without a raise. We took the hospital on or backs for 2 years for what so they could cry again they don't have money. Now they don't want to give us a pension, and a lot of other thing they want to take away from us.How bright are you? Do you work or are you on disability? That's what everybody says be happy you have a job so that means let them walk all over you and kiss there a-- because I have a job. Don't think so.
Many people who work are going without raises Booooooooooo Friggin Hooooooooooo! They just dont publicly whine about it.
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Nov 9, 2009
 
Irate landlord you don't have to be so rude. Yeah I know a lot of people are doing without raises I'm not stupid. We did go without one. But the nurses sure didn't go without one. And they make a lot more than we do. They also want to take away are overtime after 8 hrs holidays possibly have to pay to park to go to work and a whole lot more. Lets put it this way I was making a whole lot more in 2000 working at a mill then I am now yeah I know the mills not here anymore. That's a whole different story. But we worked hard to get what we have why should we just let them take it all away. Even if we don't get a raise they don't have to take everything else. And by the way do they really need 2-3 Human Resource(making real good money) people maybe they need to cut some big shot of the top before the start at the bottom like always.
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Nov 9, 2009
 
The whole thing is a hospital ploy to make the unions look bad--make outrageous demands to take back previously negotiated items and then act shocked when the unions say no. The only one whining here is the hospital.

For example, on overtime, who in their right mind would agree to give up being paid OT after 8 hours knowing the hospital could then just mandate you to stay another shift? Why bother calling in someone else to cover a shortage or hire extra help when you can just mandate someone to stay? At least now they have to pay you overtime so it encourages them to find alternatives to having people do double shifts. Anyone in health care knows this is a very real problem.
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Nov 9, 2009
 
tinkerbell wrote:
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I dislike people like you who don't know what there talking about. I happen to work at NARH and I am a union member. How would you like to go 2 years without a raise. We took the hospital on or backs for 2 years for what so they could cry again they don't have money. Now they don't want to give us a pension, and a lot of other thing they want to take away from us.How bright are you? Do you work or are you on disability? That's what everybody says be happy you have a job so that means let them walk all over you and kiss there a-- because I have a job. Don't think so.
The union went without a raise for two years at NARH? Really? You mean 2005 until 2007, when every member got a two percent raise in October, but didn't get their annual step increase on top of that? So the raises were only 2% instead of 3%- 9%? That must have been painful.
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Nov 10, 2009
 
facts wrote:
Hey Glenn, shouldn't the big story here be that the hospital is looking for a buyer or a merger? Employees received a letter some weeks back confirming this. We've been told it's Berkshire Health, Baystate or UMass Medical Center that they're trying to woo. Also, check the financial bond rating sites and look for the most recent bond rating for North Adams, which came out recently... the financial outlook is very dim for our local hospital and the managers don't want to admit it.
The fact of the matter is that neither BHS nor Baystate wants NARH.
Another fact is that this little 65 bed hospital is once again top heavy with management, but alway cuts from the bottom. Staff is cut to the bone yet keeps NARH in a good light with the public for coming in top percentiles across the nation with compliances. It's the little people that are working their butts off -not the mega managers. The present CEO/President is merely using NARH as a stepping stone for his career and wants his legacy to be that of "union buster". For once it would be nice for the Board of Trustees to be actively involved in the future of NARH and not just go with the flow of the spoon fed garbage that is fed to them. The only thing that has kept the doors open at NARH is the commitment/dedication and longevity of its employees - not these fly by night Administrators.
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Nov 10, 2009
 
tinkerbell wrote:
Lets put it this way I was making a whole lot more in 2000 working at a mill then I am now yeah I know the mills not here anymore. That's a whole different story. But we worked hard to get what we have why should we just let them take it all away.
Listen--if you were a millworker and now are a unionized employee at the hospital, you probably have a marginal skill set, no college degree, and if it weren't for your union would be collecting unemployment by now.

If you think you're being shafted, perhaps you should take a look at the history of labor/mgmt relations and find out what it was TRULY like to be exploited labor. A coal miner in West Virginia in the 30s. A farm worker in the 70s. A WalMart worker today.

Quitcher bitchen. We all hate working for a living, but it beats the alternative.
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Nov 11, 2009
 
Wonk wrote:
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Listen--if you were a millworker and now are a unionized employee at the hospital, you probably have a marginal skill set, no college degree, and if it weren't for your union would be collecting unemployment by now.
If you think you're being shafted, perhaps you should take a look at the history of labor/mgmt relations and find out what it was TRULY like to be exploited labor. A coal miner in West Virginia in the 30s. A farm worker in the 70s. A WalMart worker today.
Quitcher bitchen. We all hate working for a living, but it beats the alternative.
Wonk Maybe I went back to school. Have you ever heard of that. This union has xray techs, LPN's, Pharmacists, operating room techs, central service(there the ones who sterilize the operating room equipment), Secretary, housekeepers and a whole lot more. So yes there is well educated people in this union. Sorry have to go to work respond more later
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Nov 11, 2009
 
For most business's to turn a profit and have a decent relationship with employees it must not have a union. Study after study have proven this.
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Tink 2 wrote:
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The fact of the matter is that neither BHS nor Baystate wants NARH.
Another fact is that this little 65 bed hospital is once again top heavy with management, but alway cuts from the bottom. Staff is cut to the bone yet keeps NARH in a good light with the public for coming in top percentiles across the nation with compliances. It's the little people that are working their butts off -not the mega managers. The present CEO/President is merely using NARH as a stepping stone for his career and wants his legacy to be that of "union buster". For once it would be nice for the Board of Trustees to be actively involved in the future of NARH and not just go with the flow of the spoon fed garbage that is fed to them. The only thing that has kept the doors open at NARH is the commitment/dedication and longevity of its employees - not these
fly by night Administrators.
You hit the nail right on the head-good post!!!
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Nov 11, 2009
 
Franklin wrote:
For most business's to turn a profit and have a decent relationship with employees it must not have a union. Study after study have proven this.
Cite two valid peer-reviewed ones and people will start to think about believing you.
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Wonk Maybe I went back to school. Have you ever heard of that. This union has xray techs, LPN's, Pharmacists, operating room techs, central service(there the ones who sterilize the operating room equipment), Secretary, housekeepers and a whole lot more. So yes there is well educated people in this union. Sorry have to go to work respond more later
Those well-educated housekeepers and sterilizers are really the impressive ones in your list. Where'd you go back to school? And if so, why are you still in a menial unionized hospital job?

You ain't fooling anyone into thinking you're a pharmacist. Maybe a pharmacy tech....someone who puts pills into bottles. Otherwise, how many years of training do you need to use an autoclave?

Quitcher bitchen.
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Wonk wrote:
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Those well-educated housekeepers and sterilizers are really the impressive ones in your list. Where'd you go back to school? And if so, why are you still in a menial unionized hospital job?
You ain't fooling anyone into thinking you're a pharmacist. Maybe a pharmacy tech....someone who puts pills into bottles. Otherwise, how many years of training do you need to use an autoclave?
Quitcher bitchen.
autoclave training 1 year 40 hrs a week
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Nov 11, 2009
 
call me cynical wrote:
The whole thing is a hospital ploy to make the unions look bad--make outrageous demands to take back previously negotiated items and then act shocked when the unions say no. The only one whining here is the hospital.
For example, on overtime, who in their right mind would agree to give up being paid OT after 8 hours knowing the hospital could then just mandate you to stay another shift? Why bother calling in someone else to cover a shortage or hire extra help when you can just mandate someone to stay? At least now they have to pay you overtime so it encourages them to find alternatives to having people do double shifts. Anyone in health care knows this is a very real problem.
Unions don't need anyones help to make them look bad.The rank and file do the job just fine because unfortunatly many of them are rather rank people.
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