Who Are The Real Children Of Israel?

Jul 1, 2010 | Posted by: Know4life | Full story: www.finalcall.com

In this Book of Genesis, we get lots of pictures of God, and His Promise. In Chapter 15, God is talking to Abram: “Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them and shall afflict them 400 years. But after that time”—God is speaking—“I will come! And I will judge that nation which they shall serve. And afterwards, shall they come out with great substance. And go to their fathers in peace, and be buried in a good old age.”The Jewish people claim that this is talking about them, but other than the Bible, there is no historical record of anybody named “Jews,” in bondage in Egypt for 400 years. There is no historical record of their suffering in bondage like that. Now, they were freed from a “bondage,” all right—but that was in the hills and cavesides of Europe! These people have no legitimate connection to The Holy Land

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Finally and most controversially a certain "Plony" Ben Stada is supposed to be illegitimately descended from the same family because of his mother Miriam Mgadla (Miryai the Hairdresser) called Stath-Da as "she was unfaithful" to her husband Paphos Ben Jehuda.
Though Yeshu ben Pandera fits into the early half of the first century CE, he is most often confused with a much earlier and more infamous Yeshu of rabbinical literature who was the student of Rabbi Yehoshua ben Perachyah who lived at the start of the first century BCE.
The Tosefta, the Palestinian Gemara and the Babylonian Gemara, depict Ben Stada as a Jewish sorcerer living around 100 CE and as having brought spells out of Egypt by marking them in his skin (hiding a parchment with them written on it in a cut in his thigh) on a Sabbath.
www.brainyencyclopedia.com /encyclopedia/p/pa/pandera.htm l (1204 words)
Have you noticed that the dating discrepancies deter not in the least the ones who come here with the cloak of victimhood, convinced that someone has maligned their guy?

ok, enough amusement - going to check out some of these links.

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One translation would have migdol as a tower where they kept fish, or maybe a pile/woodwork with dried fish.
'mgadla nshaya'aramaic is a good start.
Suddenly we have to think indeed aramaic/greek.
It's a well-known greek headdress, roman as well.
Well let's make a start.
http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/STR...
kjv based ;)
But also jesus and his mary magdalen firmly placed in Egypt.
note on Strong's. Contains a lot of 'probablys', but must consider the source.

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Eve existed before Adam. Eve was a hermaphrodite. She conceived on her own and had several children. After a while, God, who is also female, decided that the woman needed a companion and helpmate. Thus man was created. That is the reason man is so much stronger than woman. He was created to help woman.
The woman then conceived Cain and Abel with Adam’s help (helpmate). Cain eventually married one of his sisters who was previously conceived by his mother alone (by impregnating herself). The female genitalia say it all. You will never find a hermaphrodite (intersexed) person who is predominantly male. You will find a hermaphrodite person who is predominantly female. In the beginning the male gonads were more prominent in females, but because of the change where Adam was made, after a while female lost the ability to conceive by themselves.
All the wars men fought in Bible days were fought to protect women. Then as time went by, men started to use their strengths to their advantage. They got rid of women as the dominant figure (in a similar way in which they are trying to debase Blacks. Another story).The Bible has been tarnished by men to suit their whims. Don't be fooled when the catholics pray and say 'Hail Mary Mother of God...' There is more to it. Mary was the only functioning hermaphrodite who could be found in the time of Jesus and that is why she was chosen as his mother. She was the second Eve, the first woman, the first human. God help us. Selah
Figs are the oldest cultered plants, since they are originally either hermaphrodite or female. And the distinction is in the lenght of the flower!
They have a symbiotic relation with a specialised wasp. The female lays her eggs in what is essentially thousand of little flowers folded up in a green bulb, with one protuding flower.
The eggs hatch and wasps fly out with the pollen to the flower of the female tree, to climb in the longer flower...but they can't reach the bottom, the male wasps that is. So they dispose pollen.
And thus it fruits and the inner flower drips an oily substance that creates the hard kernel.
So about 10,500 years ago all olives had wasps or wasp-eggs in them.(extra protein ;)
But for three varieties. And somehow people picked up on that and took shoots of these tree that they planted.
Waspfree olives in small size, middle and a huge black one.
(apropos the holidays it is not about the size but the proportionality...but yes huge olives are known.)

Rice on dry ground was the first cultured product 11,000 years ago.

Mary was unlike Eve thus we are all saved. Done.

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While at that check out the posts on melanesia a.s.o.
You are immediately up to date on ancient world-history and cutting edge research.

In the meantime i have to find titbits to school Not Quiter on biology. ;)
She was good in it but did not believe it.
I know not what they teach in America, but it can't be Adam and Eve anymore?
The oldest living thing on the planet is about 100,000-200,000 year old, 6000 tons of sea-grass near Spain.
That's also cutting edge.

The demon.co.uk site:
Here is what Robin Lane Fox says about p66 and p75 on page 139 of 'The Unauthorised Version'. "We have two early papyri which overlap across seventy verses of John's Gospel, and even if the plain errors of their copyists are excluded, they differ at no less than seventy small places.". 70 differences in 70 verses!

Perhaps these changes are not big, but they are numerous.

P72 is interesting. It is often claimed that no textual variation is important for Christian doctrines. However, it seems that p72 does not like the orthodox Christian doctrine that God the Father is distinct from Jesus the Son of God. In 2 Peter 1:2, other manuscripts read "May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of our Lord Jesus." p72 drops the "and' to read "God, our Lord Jesus". This is no accident. p72 altered Jude 5 to say that the saviour of the people from Egypt was "the God Christ". p72 altered 1 Peter 5:1 to say that Peter was a witness to the "sufferings of God", and not the "sufferings of Christ", as all later manuscripts read.

It seems, contrary to the claims of many Christian apologists, that the very earliest manuscripts often have divergent, almost heretical, readings, rather than being the most reliable manuscripts.

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it provides further reading in Ehrman.

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WTF are you clowns talking about? lol

Who are the real children of israel?
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WTF are you clowns talking about? lol
Who are the real children of israel?
Shalum Yahudah Ben Levi,

Introduction To The Lost 12 Tribes Of The House Of Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The truth is presented in this lesson they can't refute it.
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WTF are you clowns talking about? lol
Who are the real children of israel?
Clowns would be an apt descriptor of some of the more colorful characters here, yourself and SamBee especially.
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Frijoles wrote:
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Clowns would be an apt descriptor of some of the more colorful characters here, yourself and SamBee especially.
Prove you are an Isrealite from the scriptures Frijoles; what tribe are you from?
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Prove you are an Isrealite from the scriptures Frijoles; what tribe are you from?
Legume tribe

You dont have to tell me yor tribe - it is obvious - Meshuganah tribe
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Prove you are an Isrealite from the scriptures Frijoles; what tribe are you from?
BTW it is generally considered bad form to ask a Jew to prove anything from "the scriptures" when your scriptures include the KJV and your hobbies include worshipping Jesus.
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BTW it is generally considered bad form to ask a Jew to prove anything from "the scriptures" when your scriptures include the KJV and your hobbies include worshipping Jesus.
Forbidden Knowledge History of the Khazar Empire
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BTW it is generally considered bad form to ask a Jew to prove anything from "the scriptures" when your scriptures include the KJV and your hobbies include worshipping Jesus.
Since when is discussing anything by comparing it to the scriptures, "bad form" for anybody?

That is how we know what is good, and what is not. By comparing it to the scriptures.

It is when we fail to use the scriptures as our guide lines, that we go astray.
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IS that supposed to change the fact you quote KJV in an argument with me?
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Since when is discussing anything by comparing it to the scriptures, "bad form" for anybody?
That is how we know what is good, and what is not. By comparing it to the scriptures.
It is when we fail to use the scriptures as our guide lines, that we go astray.
If you want to discuss Torah with me, I am all ears.

SamBee doesnt like Torah - he likes Christian scriptures. I beg off of that. Not my hobby. He knows that and yet he continues. So I call him a clown and a meshugannah. Thats fair.
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Psalms 83

1 A Song, a Psalm of Asaph.

O YAH, keep not Thou silence; hold not Thy peace, and be not still, O YAH.

For, lo, Thine enemies are in an uproar; and they that hate Thee have lifted up the head.

They hold crafty converse against Thy people, and take counsel against Thy treasured ones.

They have said:'Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.'

For they have consulted together with one consent; against Thee do they make a covenant;

The tents of Edom and the Ishmaelites; Moab, and the Hagrites;

Gebal, and Ammon, and Amalek; Philistia with the inhabitants of Tyre;

Assyria also is joined with them; they have been an arm to the children of Lot. Selah

Who said:'Let us take to ourselves in possession the habitations of YAH.

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Mizmor l'SamBee

He's a real nowhere Man,
Sitting in his Nowhere Land,
Making all his nowhere plans
For nobody.

Doesn't kave a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Isn't he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere Man, please listen,
You don't know what you're missing,
Nowhere Man, the world is at your command.

He's as blind as he can be,
Just sees what he wants to see,
Nowhere Man can you see me at all?

Doesn't kave a point of view,
Knows not where he's going to,
Isn't he a bit like you and me?

Nowhere Man, don't worry,
Take your time, don't hurry,
Leave it all 'till somebody else
Lends you a hand.

He's a real Nowhere Man,
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Eve existed before Adam. Eve was a hermaphrodite. She conceived on her own and had several children. After a while, God, who is also female, decided that the woman needed a companion and helpmate. Thus man was created. That is the reason man is so much stronger than woman. He was created to help woman.

The woman then conceived Cain and Abel with Adam’s help (helpmate). Cain eventually married one of his sisters who was previously conceived by his mother alone (by impregnating herself). The female genitalia say it all. You will never find a hermaphrodite (intersexed) person who is predominantly male. You will find a hermaphrodite person who is predominantly female. In the beginning the male gonads were more prominent in females, but because of the change where Adam was made, after a while female lost the ability to conceive by themselves.

All the wars men fought in Bible days were fought to protect women. Then as time went by, men started to use their strengths to their advantage. They got rid of women as the dominant figure (in a similar way in which they are trying to debase Blacks. Another story).The Bible has been tarnished by men to suit their whims. Don't be fooled when the catholics pray and say 'Hail Mary Mother of God...' There is more to it. Mary was the only functioning hermaphrodite who could be found in the time of Jesus and that is why she was chosen as his mother. She was the second Eve, the first woman, the first human. God help me. Selah

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Shalum Yahudah Ben Levi,
Introduction To The Lost 12 Tribes Of The House Of Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The truth is presented in this lesson they can't refute it.
I usually never watch any video's.
But taking (again!) the arguement as is it should be obvious giving the historical data that the turf was contested by Mitzraim and hitti, with the deviding line near Akko (Akre- in old lingo meaning Mother) the end of a traderoute.
So step out of your frontdoor overthere in those days and you end up in either hitti or mitzraim turf.
But the socalled lost tribes have more to do with the leaders taken into exile...but the people continuing there life producing and later the development as Jeruzalem into a center of the new power Judah. That from then on starts to dictate.
It does not mean that suddenly ALL the people end up any and everywhere. Disperate groups did and of those we have archeological and traceble heritage.
A group in Egypt ~400BC or a claim from Ethiopia is not all of Africa, nor is a group in India or the Khazars adapted or embraced judaism, that suddenly makes middle Asia or all of India 'jewish'.

So any claim of Black Hebrews of their embraced identity is an ideological and coincidental one and should , in order to have any veracity at least be as well underwritten as DNA research on Denisovan genes, via Sumer ending up in Native Americans!
Otherwise it is just some weird racial point of view.
On the whole you could compare it with the Berbers (tamazight) of North-Africa that in the neo-colonilisation or nation-building craze in the twentieth century were suddenly robbed of their identity and gathered under the banner of islam and North-Africanist Arab identity. Offcourse they are not Arabs nor muslims persee. And even Moroccan, Tunesian or Algerian etc. just as a secondary identity. But they feel the loss and declare themselves lost. The won't have a king anymore a.s.o.

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[...]nor is IT a group in India[...]
colonisation-colonialisation
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HB we are not going to do take 3000 on translating..by now you should be able to o it properly yourselve...or read in the appropriate threads.
But socio-economic circumstances aside as in having an impact on evolving religion, i think it's time again for a comprehensive world-wide study of people presentation:
http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/page8.htm
From Asia to the Americas and way earlier then ever thought.
With unexpected links.(Some scholars discussed this in general of guessed at it).
Native Americns also extensively discussed.
And a further understanding of Altai Denizovans and old Sumer(KI-EN-GIR)indeed populated by these KI-EN-GIR.
Melanesia and other discussed in more detail.
http://users.on.net/~mkfenn/page8.htm
Maat---HB we are not going to do take 3000 on translating..by now you should be able to o it properly yourselve.

HughBe--- Don't take on 3000 translations. Please give me or tell me your translation of the transliterated word Bar kjv son and also nashaq kjv kiss 29 times.

I find your last sentence interesting and it makes me wonder why you would make such a recommendation.

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SS--There is no kissing going on, and the word 'son' is used in verse 7, not in verse 12.Typical Christian scripture MUTILATION.

HughBe--- The KJV has kiss and Son(BAR) in verse 12. Tell me what word you have used for the transliterated word BAR or KJV "son".

Tell me why there is no "kissing" given that the transliterated word nashaq means KISS and is the dominant translation of the word starting from Genesis where we read "And his father Isaac said unto him, Come near now, and kiss (nashaq) me, my son"

Note how nashaq is translated in the KJV and note its frequency.—

nashaq---kiss 29, armed 2, kissed him 1, armed men 1, ruled 1, touched 1

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