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Since: Oct 07
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rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm]
noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others. 2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination. 3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races. |
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Since: Oct 07
Bean Town. |
big·ot·ry   [big-uh-tree] Show IPA
noun, plural -ries. 1. stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own. 2. the actions, beliefs, prejudices, etc., of a bigot. |
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Since: Oct 07
Bean Town. |
I think we are seeing classic examples of BIGOTRY. Just as wrong, just as despicable as RACISM.
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Those who associate Islam with a particular race are promoting a racist stereotype, and are thus racist themselves.. therefore anyone who calls someone racist who says nothing about race, but merely comments upon people of that religion, are the REAL racists.
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If you can demonstrate that the person this label is applied to is intolerant of ANY belief or opinion differing from their own, then that person is a bigot. If you cannot prove they are intolerant of ANY view, and merely that they are intolerant of a particular belief, creed, etc, then you cannot label them a bigot. We all have certain beliefs or opinions we are intolerant of but not everyone is a bigot. Who among you can say you are tolerant of any sort of belief and behavior? Really? How about the belief that sex between grown men and lil children is ok? How about the belief that women are second class citizens and should be treated as property? If one is intolerant of those beliefs, is one a bigot? Bigotry is not selective, but prejudice can and usually is. Prejudice is not necessarily an evil thing.. it depends upon what that prejudice is directed against. I am not the least ashamed to say I am prejudiced against pedophiles, thieves, murderers.... The dislike of muslims at Tysons may, for some people, indeed be bigotry, but not for all by any means. Many have rational reasons for disliking them... and the fact that they expect special accomodations that would not be and are not given to others is a rational reason. |
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Judged: 1 From the Hadith... Sahih Muslim (1:33) The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..." The last part is the Shahada, or profession of faith in Islam. Sahih Muslim (19:4294)- "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists (which includes Christians), invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them" Osama bin Laden echoes this order from his prophet: "Does Islam, or does it not, force people by the power of the sword to submit to its authority corporeally if not spiritually? Yes. There are only three choices in Islam …. Either submit, or live under the suzerainty of Islam, or die.”(source: The al-Qaeda Reader p. 19-20) Bukhari (8:387)- "Allah's Apostle said,'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say:'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'" Bukhari (53:392)- "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle." Bukhari (2:24)- "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." Bukhari (60:80)- "The Verse:--'You (true Muslims) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind.' means, the best of peoples for the people, as you bring them with chains on their necks till they embrace Islam." Bukhari (60:40)- "...:And fight them till there is no more affliction (i.e. no more worshiping of others along with Allah)." 'Affliction' of Muslims is explicitly defined here being a condition in which others worship a different god other than Allah. Muslims are commanded to use violence to 'rectify' the situation. Bukhari (59:643)- "Testify that none has the right to be worshipped except Allah, or else I will chop off your neck!" Words of a military leader that Muhammad sent on an expedition with the mission of destroying a local religion in Yemen. Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 959 - Then the apostle sent Khalid bin Walid… to the Banu al-Harith and ordered him to invite them to Islam three days before he attacked them. If they accepted then he was to accept it from them, and if they declined he was to fight them. So Khalid set out and came to them, and sent out riders in all directions inviting the people to Islam, saying,“If you accept Islam you will be safe.” So the men accepted Islam as they were invited. The text goes on to say that Khalid taught the al-Harith about Islam after their "conversion," proving that it was based on fear of slaughter rather than a free and intelligent decision. |
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Is it bigoted to be intolerant of those who are intolerant?
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Since: Oct 07
Bean Town. |
Judged: 1 What would Jesus say? There is a difference between being able to identify the enemy, which is radical Islam and terror, and hating all Muslims as if all Muslims are responsible for the acts of the few. You alienate the vast majority of decent, peace loving Muslims. I'll never lose any sleep over a dead terrorist or any other enemy of the USA, but I can't condone generalized, blind hatred. It's wrong and it makes us less secure. |
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Vast majority are peace loving? I would contend that is a matter of opinion. And you ignore the commands of the faith they follow which I gave you numerous examples of.
When a "Christian" so-called does something atrocious, such as bombing an abortion clinic, he is condemned immediately and loudly from virtually every pulpit in the land and by nearly all Christians. When 911 occured, we saw muslims worldwide dancing in the streets celebrating, and hailing the terrorists as heroes... including from the vast majority of their religious leaders. Muslim leaders who condemned the acts were hard to find. Such acts are not by any lunatic fringe, in the Muslim world.. the support of such acts is MAINSTREAM in Islam. |
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As for Jesus.. he was no tolerant of all evils.. one only has to look at his behavior in the Temple with the money-lenders to see that.
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Judged: 1 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch... |
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Since: Oct 07
Bean Town. |
"I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you..." |
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Since: Feb 07
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This conversation keeps coming back, Leader BHO continues to be as evasive is ever. |
Christ would also say to not raise a hand against a man who wishes to kill you.. and look what they did to him. Ya wanna join him on the cross, be my guest. You do not have the right to make that choice for others. |
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Furthermore, I wonder if you have the same attitude towards those who wish to deport illegal aliens.. hmmm? |
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Since: Oct 07
Bean Town. |
I don't mind sending illegals home. I also like the idea of penalizing companies that hire illegals. If you take away the jobs you take away the incentive. |
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Since: Oct 07
Bean Town. |
Maybe most Muslims are like you and they don't take the crazy parts of their holy books seriously. |
Well, evidence does not suggest any such thing. Christians commit atrocities, they are condemned loudly from every pulpit in the land. Muslims commit atrocities, and the rest fall in line to protect them, condemnation is mute (or nonexistant), and in nations where they do not feel a need to keep a low profile cause they have the majority, they are dancing in the streets. The so called "fringe radicals" among Islam are not the fringe at all.. they are the mainstream. Those who are in countries like ours as minorities do not dance in the streets, but they do not condemn terrorism either... that is known as taqiyya... and I suggest you educate yourself about it. |
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