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Prominent family's teenage son walks after killing a Nocona resident

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Nov 11, 2007
 
My neighbor's mother, Mrs. Harris, was killed by a teenage driver while crossing Clay street in front of the high school wednesday evening, Nov. 07, 2007. By friday, Nov. 09, 2007, the police decided not to file any charges against the teenager because an ISD officer stated he wasn't speeding. This is a huge mis-carriage of justice in my opinion. And to add insult to injury, the teenager's red convertable mustang has already been released to the insurance repair shop before the deceased family even has time to arrange the funeral services...WHAT THE HELL!!!

Also...which this really blows my mind...the teenager's parents have yet to offer condolences to family members of the deceased to this day. What type of morals is this family teaching their son? And, what the hell is our police department thinking? I'm trying to understand how - if you're doing 35 mph - you DON'T see someone crossing the street, even at night?
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Nov 12, 2007
 
Never heard of the kid that hit Mrs. Harris. Headline stated "Prominent"? How does one define prominent? Such a sad thing to happen to the Harris family. What time of the day did this happen? Was it dark? I know Mrs. Harris crossed this road many times. Looks like this accident happened off school property. Looks like the highway patrol would be the investigating agency. It did happen on F.M. 103 didn't it? I'm not quite sure why the Nocona ISD officer would be involved if this wasn't on school property? Was a radar gun deployed at the exact time of the accident? Was drug and alcohol testing done?

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Nov 12, 2007
 
Well, apparently in this little town...prominent means the ability to kill someone through negligence and walk.

The only information we're able to obtain is from what the family has found out from people involved after the accident. The police are refusing to release an accident/police report, stating first - on Nov. 09, 2007 - that the report wouldn't be complete until Monday, Nov. 12, 2007. This morning the family of the deceased went to obtain a copy and was told it would not be complete for 3 months. Also, apparently the autopsy report isn't complete either as of this time. Whether drug and alcohol testing was done is unknown, and the police won't release information to the deceased family.

This much is definitely known at this time. The teenager's name is Kenny Green. His red mustang was at the repair shop before funeral arraingments were complete on Friday, Nov. 09, 2007. Kenny has not been charged with involuntary vehicular manslaughter, or any charges at all. Kenny has stated to one of the deceased family members that he was looking over his shoulder at the passenger in the back seat when his girlfriend in the front passenger seat yelled to look out. It did occur on F.M. 103 during a school event at 9 p.m. Kenny's family has yet to pay their condolences to the deceased family. And because the ISD officer stated that Kenny wasn't speeding is the apparent reason the police have not arrested and charged him. Also, in front of the deceased family members at the scene of the accident, local police and DPS officer Toni Cunningham were cutting up and laughing amongst themselves, showing complete disrespect and unprofessionalism...the deceased daughter, in tears, had to yell at them to stop laughing in front of her during the clean-up of the accident.

What would you think of this situation if it was your mother that was ran down?
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Nov 12, 2007
 
this is a sad situation. i send up prayers for everyone involved in this terrible situation.

however living in montague county it is who you know and your last name as to what happens to you. also i do think that the LORD is trying to get ahold of montague counties attention and as long as HE is being ignored we will have many more bad situations happen here.
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Nov 13, 2007
 
Well, I pray for the families involved! I know both parties of the family well. I know Kenny is very upset and so is the Mrs.Harris's husband and daughter. U and I where not there when this happened. I hope the best for both families and my heart goes out to them. I know that we will never know the truth of what really happened that night. It is sad thing to have a nice wonderful lady taken and a teenager's life changed forever. I have heard different stories about that night and I dont know what happened execpt what I have told.

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Nov 13, 2007
 
It is true that neither you nor I were there, but to state that the truth will never be known is not correct. There were individuals in the vehicle, and if any of them had an ounce of character they would speak up. Common sense dictates that if Kenny was paying attention to the road...as a responsible driver is suppose to...he would not have killed Mrs. Harris. What was Kenny doing that resulted in the death of another human being? This is a simple question that has not been answered reasonably.

I deeply believe that when there is a wrong being done...those with the ability to do something, have the responsibility to do something. Therefore, as tragic as it is that Kenny is experiencing such a life changing circumstance, there is a price that must be paid for his negligent actions resulting in the death of another human being. Until a reasonable explanation is given to the above question, I will continue to do everything within my power to assist the Harris family. Our police force is obviouly not...they are providing no information to the Harris family, telling them that a police report will not be complete for 3 months is all they'll say. I personally find it strange that Kenny's free, his mustang is in the repair shop before Mrs. Harris's funeral and that a police report will not be complete for 3 months.
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Nov 15, 2007
 
I two fine that odd that nothing is happening. I know that supposedly his family has filed and served the husband on suing for damages on the car. At least that was told to me!! I dont know if it is true or not!! I find that odd and rude of Kenny and his family to do a thing like this and that is was Kenny's fault and the husband should counter-sue Kenny and his family for the death of her. I know that wouldn't bring her back, but it isn't right that Kenny and them sue the Harris family for Kenny's negligence.
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Nov 15, 2007
 
I do not see how anyone can say it "Was Kenny’s fault with out a doubt or that it was Mrs. Harris’s fault" I do think there should be Acton taken if he <Kenny> was indeed on the cell phone, speeding or anything else to distract him from his driving on a dark street.

So many stories are around; no one knows what happen but Kenny and who ever else was in that car <if anyone> and of course Mrs. Harris. She can not speak for her self and I am sure that friends and family will stand up for her and be her voice. I know I will stand by HER family.

Mrs. Harris was simply trying to go back to work to help provide for her family. Being a victim of a couple of “accidents” not necessarily this type, I know how hard it is to get through it, for BOTH families but I really don’t see what the driver has lost? I do see what Mrs. Harris’s family lost.

If the suing thing is true, yes it is too soon to even think about such a thing, and I feel only a greedy selfish person would even think of doing this at all much less only a few days after the accident. I don’t even want to call it an accident, until the facts are in.

I would think that after Kenny and “the others-if any” have gotten over the shock they will start to remember what was happening in that car. Was he on the cell phone, or was his head turned to talk to someone in the backseat, was he speeding? None of these questions are going to get answered until…and or if Kenny wants to answer them.

Please don’t think I am attacking Kenny, I’m really not, and I’m just trying so hard to understand how this could happen. So much tragic has happen in Montague County the pass few years, I guess we are all just trying to understand.

There is nothing I could say to help either family through this, but Justice for Judy will prevail. The truth regardless of where that lies will come in time.

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Nov 15, 2007
 
The law suit information came from Mrs. Harris family's lawyer. He had contacted the family to inform them the Green's were filing a law suit against the Harris family for damages to Kenny's mustang and pain & suffering that Kenny has endured. This I find appalling!!!

Mrs. Harris's daughter, who personally had to ID her mother's body and saw tire tread marks on her, was extremely upset after reading Mr. Messler's (Nocona News) article. Mr. Messler describes various details about car damage and clothing items (shoe several yards away,) yet neglects to report that Mrs. Harris also had tire tread marks on her body. This deleted fact is very disturbing. Was Mr. Messler negligent in his reporting, or are the police only providing partial information for questionable reasons. The Harris family has still been refused details about the accident, yet Mr. Messler gets information (incomplete or not.) Kenny Green not only hit Mrs. Harris, but ran her over and has yet to even be booked...and the Green's have the audacity to hire a lawyer for a civil suit.

Maybe the reason so much tragidy has happened in Montague County in recent years is because our community continues to turn a deaf ear to circumstances such as this one. Kenny took the life of a human being and didn't even get booked. Instead of tip-toeing around...this community should be in an uproar about this mis-carriage of justice.
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Nov 21, 2007
 
I don't know any of the people involved, but it sounds like an accident to me. Accidents happen all the time. That's why they're called accidents-it was probably not intentional.

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Nov 21, 2007
 
kfc-Wichita Falls wrote:
I don't know any of the people involved, but it sounds like an accident to me. Accidents happen all the time. That's why they're called accidents-it was probably not intentional.
You must be as dumb as a bag of door-knobs. An accident is a situation that is unavoidable and could not have been prevented. Can you grasp that concept? As for your statement that "it was probably not intentional," I'll concede that Kenny didn't intend to run Judy Harris over. But because of Kenny Green's negligence in his responsibility to operate his vehicle safely, someone died. That's called involuntary vehicular manslaughter in the real world. And because our little town doesn't seem to live in the real world, our police let Kenny walk without even booking him. And for your info that's called miss-carriage of justice.

You're not being honest about knowing anybody involved. Your statement leads me to believe that you're probably Kenny's best friend.

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Nov 21, 2007
 
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You must be as dumb as a bag of door-knobs. An accident is a situation that is unavoidable and could not have been prevented. Can you grasp that concept? As for your statement that "it was probably not intentional," I'll concede that Kenny didn't intend to run Judy Harris over. But because of Kenny Green's negligence in his responsibility to operate his vehicle safely, someone died. That's called involuntary vehicular manslaughter in the real world. And because our little town doesn't seem to live in the real world, our police let Kenny walk without even booking him. And for your info that's called miss-carriage of justice.
You're not being honest about knowing anybody involved. Your statement leads me to believe that you're probably Kenny's best friend.
i have been reading things tied to you for a while now. i have read where you said you are a GOD fearing man but i have to say that i am apalled that you would say that with the remarks that i keep reading. i pray that you learn what the real meaning of a GOD fearing man really is. have a wonderful day and GOD BLESS

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Nov 21, 2007
 
spirt of God wrote:
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i have been reading things tied to you for a while now. i have read where you said you are a GOD fearing man but i have to say that i am apalled that you would say that with the remarks that i keep reading. i pray that you learn what the real meaning of a GOD fearing man really is. have a wonderful day and GOD BLESS
My relationship with GOD is solid. Apparently, according to your implication, a man shouldn't stand up and speak out when an injustice is being done. A negligent driver killed another human being with no consequence, and you're more concerned about my choice of words. A wrong is being done and you, among many others, do nothing. You stand behind your self-described meaning of "GOD fearing" and only speak out about another faithful individual's choice of words instead of the injustice being done. I AM a GOD fearing man not afraid to stand up and speak out. Attacking my character will not make me go away or cowar regarding my feelings about Kenny Green killing Judy Harris without consequence. Where do you stand regarding this injustice...sitting in your church silent, or standing up and demanding that ALL men be accountable to our laws?

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Nov 22, 2007
 
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My relationship with GOD is solid. Apparently, according to your implication, a man shouldn't stand up and speak out when an injustice is being done. A negligent driver killed another human being with no consequence, and you're more concerned about my choice of words. A wrong is being done and you, among many others, do nothing. You stand behind your self-described meaning of "GOD fearing" and only speak out about another faithful individual's choice of words instead of the injustice being done. I AM a GOD fearing man not afraid to stand up and speak out. Attacking my character will not make me go away or cowar regarding my feelings about Kenny Green killing Judy Harris without consequence. Where do you stand regarding this injustice...sitting in your church silent, or standing up and demanding that ALL men be accountable to our laws?
i do not know much about this situation..however i do feel that if he was wrong that he should be punished.....i do feel that the law enforcement picks and chooses who and how they punish....just because i feel there is an injustice does not mean that i will use profanity to get my point across....there are other ways to do that and if you have a relationship with GOD then you know that all you have to do is talk to him and wait for him to answer, then do what he tells you and you will get the results that you are trying to do....keep up your faith and justice will prevail....GOD BLESS

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Nov 22, 2007
 
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i do not know much about this situation..however i do feel that if he was wrong that he should be punished.....i do feel that the law enforcement picks and chooses who and how they punish....just because i feel there is an injustice does not mean that i will use profanity to get my point across....there are other ways to do that and if you have a relationship with GOD then you know that all you have to do is talk to him and wait for him to answer, then do what he tells you and you will get the results that you are trying to do....keep up your faith and justice will prevail....GOD BLESS
I appreciate your opinion, but please do not make false statements about me. I do not make statements using profanity. There's a big difference between profanity and blunt, in your face, statements.

And has it possibly occurred to you that maybe this speaking out about the injustice being done is what GOD has directed me to do? The whole purpose of this discussion is to awaken those feelings within people that know this situation to be wrong. To stand up and do something, say something - anything...act.

Kenny Green hit, and killed, Judy Harris without a reasonable explanation. This is a fact, and for people to just sit idly by and not do anything is baffling to me. There is no maybe, or maybe not, whether an injustice is being done...it's as plain as the nose on our face.

Again, I appreciate your opinion and may GOD bless you and your home.
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Nov 23, 2007
 
I am looking for some information on a manslauter case that happen in the early 90's, I was just wondering if anyone could help.

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Nov 24, 2007
 
SlvrrSurfer wrote:
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I appreciate your opinion, but please do not make false statements about me. I do not make statements using profanity. There's a big difference between profanity and blunt, in your face, statements.
And has it possibly occurred to you that maybe this speaking out about the injustice being done is what GOD has directed me to do? The whole purpose of this discussion is to awaken those feelings within people that know this situation to be wrong. To stand up and do something, say something - anything...act.
Kenny Green hit, and killed, Judy Harris without a reasonable explanation. This is a fact, and for people to just sit idly by and not do anything is baffling to me. There is no maybe, or maybe not, whether an injustice is being done...it's as plain as the nose on our face.
Again, I appreciate your opinion and may GOD bless you and your home.
i apologize if i made any false statements toward you.....that is not my intentions. i do hope that the situation you are talking about will soon have the correct ending. after reading up on this case it seems that you are correct about the things you say. i will pray for justice and anyone else who reads, i hope they will pray for justice as well. May GOD bless each and everyone one of you in this town.........spirit
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Dec 15, 2007
 
it appears this truck driver dont live in nocona texas.He has no idea what he is taliking about. You want the facts. Go ask..... its sad people these days taking off and running with rumers...sad sad sad..

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Dec 15, 2007
 
johnson wrote:
it appears this truck driver dont live in nocona texas.He has no idea what he is taliking about. You want the facts. Go ask..... its sad people these days taking off and running with rumers...sad sad sad..
Mr. Johnson...before you open your mouth and spew incorrect information about another person, how 'bout you check things out before-hand.

First, I AM a resident of Nocona, TX. Have been for some time now. If you want to know exactly who this truck driver (as you refer to me as if it's a bad thing) is, feel free to come knock on my door. The address is 507 Main Street...although I won't expect you anytime soon. You're probably associated with the Green's or the police.

Second, the facts are that Kenny Green killed Judy Harris and he wasn't even booked. All of our city leaders and the police are continueing to act like it never happened...basically sweeping it under the rug.

Well here's another piece of information for you, Mr. Johnson, to share with your associates. I have been contacting state officials regarding this mis-carriage of justice. Several state agencies and Senator Thornberry are looking into this BS action by our town authorities. Our police should have booked Kenny Green and let our law process decide whether he is quilty or not...instead of acting as judge and jury and letting Kenny Green off. Something's definitely not right about this situation.
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Dec 15, 2007
 
First off let me say that if "johnson" wants to dispute anything that has been said here and believes he has more pertinent facts, perhaps he should share them rather than making blanket statements. A spell check might also be in order, but that's beside the point.

I know all involved, at least in passing. Mrs. Harris, who was rather hard of hearing, was walking home after a fuction at the school. I will point out that this was not anything intentional and the teenager did stop after the accident. There was no malicious intent on his part.

That said, it should have at least gone to trial. Intentional or not, there was still neglect on his part. Something we should all keep in mind when we are behind the wheel of a car is that we are essentially driving a 3,000 pound weapon. If he had something to say to someone in the back seat, it is physically possibile to say it while keeping your eyes on the road. Pay attention to what you're doing.

Personally, while I am behind the wheel, I drive with the assumption that everyone else is not paying attention. I don't assume that just because the approaching car has a red light that they will stop and I don't assume that the person about to cross the street sees me coming. I assume everyone on the road, or walking along it, has their mind on something besides the road. Call that over protection is you will, but I have avoided several accidents driving that way, and in this case it most likely would have saved a life.
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