Rector of All Saints' to be bishop of new Anglican group

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A sincere bigot for Christ, leading more sincere bigots for Christ. Just what the world needs. Born gay, don't look for compassion here. If you are looking for biblical orthodoxy, are you going to be keeping Kosher soon?

Agent Orange

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Congrats to Father Bill!!!

The master was full of praise.`Well done, my good and faithful servant. You have been faithful in handling this small amount, so now I will give you many more responsibilities. Let's celebrate together!' Matt 25:21 NLT

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What new Anglican group?

Did the ABC approve this?

I didn't think so..........

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MiddleWay wrote:

What new Anglican group?
Did the ABC approve this?
I didn't think so..........

The ABC is now irrelevant. As you like to say, he isn't the Pope.

CHS

Fullerton, CA

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The sad irony is that this parish is ideally situated to serve LB's gay community. Instead, this parish has affirmatively acted to exclude the gay community...WWJD?

Short Left Index Finger

Brantford, Canada

Equality through separtism.

Kelly M Bray

Huntington Beach, CA

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Shouldn't you be in Quebec?

Short Left Index Finger wrote:

Equality through separtism.

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CHS wrote:

The sad irony is that this parish is ideally situated to serve LB's gay community. Instead, this parish has affirmatively acted to exclude the gay community...WWJD?

Affirming and excluding are two totally different things. The gay community will exclude themselves because this parish will not affirm their lifestyle.

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Think Again wrote:

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The ABC is now irrelevant. As you like to say, he isn't the Pope.

No, he's not the Pope, although many Anglicans may choose him BUT TryAgain, he is the leader of Anglican COMMUNION.

Isn't that the whole bitch session with anti-TEC bigots, that they haven't to the letter followed some of the provisions called for by, say the Lambda conference?

Don't you need forign oversight to dismiss TEC as your denomination?

Only a 5 year old would say.'well, they're doing it why can't we".

Poor unhappy babies screaming for what they want and they want it now.

TIME OUT on the naughty spot..........

Agent Orange

There are gay friedly and affirming churches in Long Beach where they interpret the Bible differently and skip the teachings that might "offend." You just have to find them. Heaven forbid anybody get offended by the word of God.

Think Again wrote:

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Affirming and excluding are two totally different things. The gay community will exclude themselves because this parish will not affirm their lifestyle.

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Agent Orange wrote:

There are gay friedly and affirming churches in Long Beach where they interpret the Bible differently and skip the teachings that might "offend." You just have to find them. Heaven forbid anybody get offended by the word of God.
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Like what?

Not rotating crops?

Offering your virgin daughters to be gang raped?

Wearing cotton blends?

Eating lobster?

Not that I want to offend any good fundamental literalistic interpretation.........

Think Again

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MiddleWay wrote:

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Like what?
Not rotating crops?
Offering your virgin daughters to be gang raped?
Wearing cotton blends?
Eating lobster?
Not that I want to offend any good fundamental literalistic interpretation.........

If you even understood Scripture that would be an amazing feat.

RevKen

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Springfield, IL

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MiddleWay wrote:

What new Anglican group?
Did the ABC approve this?
I didn't think so..........

You know what, MW?

I don't think it would be a bad thing, at all, for the ABC to approve of a new Anglican group like this. But, he should allow TEC to approve of it with certain limitations. Let the "departers" (who are actually "stay-behinders") have their voice. They've got it now, anyway, and in fact, have always had it.

This is a free country. We in TEC are here because of it. We champion the rights of all to speak their minds and to worship as they see fit. So, why not?

The only caveat in all of this revolves around the validity of the acceptance of the Dennis Canon. If they accepted it and did not object to it when it was originally passed 20 years ago specifically for this purpose - did not file a formal protest to it - then they knew and understood the consequences. Their freedom to make that choice came and went.

Now that the consequences of their acceptance are coming home to them, they want to act irresponsibly and abscond with the real properties, investments and endowments that they have already committed to TEC of their own free will.

This, they should not do and should not be allowed to do. To try to take TEC Diocesan property and endowments with themselves as they depart is to openly detract from and undermine the very source of authority that they are claiming allows them to do this. It is very obviously hypocritical and a compromise of their integrity and principal.

Why any of their bishops fail to see this and understand the consequences of their behavior is baffling to me. It is like they really have no faith in their expressed beliefs.

They should just go and be glad to be gone - if they actually believe what they say they believe. When I was a kid, I remember we would call somebody who gave something with no strings attached and then came back later to take it back an "Indian-giver." Although this is no longer a politically correct moniker, it sure does describe how these self-righteous departing bishops and their supposedly adoring throngs are behaving.

But, the reality is that the Holy Spirit is moving TEC forward regardless of the desire of these detractors. Besides, they are always welcome to come and take communion and pray with us, anyway, right? Its on their heads, MW.

So, let them stay behind and feel safe in their bigotry, until they figure it out.

Just don't let them get away with acting like thieves without calling them onto the mat for it.

KGC

Agent Orange

I don't think you understood what I wrote.

Long Beach has a diverse group living here and there are plenty of different churches where people can choose to worship with the comfort levele where they feel they fit best.

MiddleWay wrote:

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Like what?
Not rotating crops?
Offering your virgin daughters to be gang raped?
Wearing cotton blends?
Eating lobster?
Not that I want to offend any good fundamental literalistic interpretation.........

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Agent Orange wrote:

I don't think you understood what I wrote.
Long Beach has a diverse group living here and there are plenty of different churches where people can choose to worship with the comfort levele where they feel they fit best.
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You spoke of offending people with Scripture.
Sorry if I misunderstood......

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RevKen wrote:

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You know what, MW?
I don't think it would be a bad thing, at all, for the ABC to approve of a new Anglican group like this. But, he should allow TEC to approve of it with certain limitations. Let the "departers" (who are actually "stay-behinders") have their voice. They've got it now, anyway, and in fact, have always had it.
This is a free country. We in TEC are here because of it. We champion the rights of all to speak their minds and to worship as they see fit. So, why not?
The only caveat in all of this revolves around the validity of the acceptance of the Dennis Canon. If they accepted it and did not object to it when it was originally passed 20 years ago specifically for this purpose - did not file a formal protest to it - then they knew and understood the consequences. Their freedom to make that choice came and went.
Now that the consequences of their acceptance are coming home to them, they want to act irresponsibly and abscond with the real properties, investments and endowments that they have already committed to TEC of their own free will.
This, they should not do and should not be allowed to do. To try to take TEC Diocesan property and endowments with themselves as they depart is to openly detract from and undermine the very source of authority that they are claiming allows them to do this. It is very obviously hypocritical and a compromise of their integrity and principal.
Why any of their bishops fail to see this and understand the consequences of their behavior is baffling to me. It is like they really have no faith in their expressed beliefs.
They should just go and be glad to be gone - if they actually believe what they say they believe. When I was a kid, I remember we would call somebody who gave something with no strings attached and then came back later to take it back an "Indian-giver." Although this is no longer a politically correct moniker, it sure does describe how these self-righteous departing bishops and their supposedly adoring throngs are behaving.
But, the reality is that the Holy Spirit is moving TEC forward regardless of the desire of these detractors. Besides, they are always welcome to come and take communion and pray with us, anyway, right? Its on their heads, MW.
So, let them stay behind and feel safe in their bigotry, until they figure it out.
Just don't let them get away with acting like thieves without calling them onto the mat for it.
KGC

Amen........

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Think Again wrote:

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If you even understood Scripture that would be an amazing feat.

Golly Wally, I guess I should get a refund from the seminary and for my degrees in theology, Scripture and Ancient Langauages.........

Agent Orange

You caught my sarcastic side. Gay affirming churches skip those parts that people might find offensive, thus my comment.

MiddleWay wrote:

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You spoke of offending people with Scripture.
Sorry if I misunderstood......

Think Again