Gun owners are up in arms over fees increase

Then there's the scientist trying to convert human waste into fuel. Now, should this fella succeed, will the government then tax our crap?

The Necromancer wrote:

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OK..
Same logic.
Religion Tax.?
Register your religion with the local authorities.?
Free speech license.?
License to protect against search and seizure.?
Point is, these are inalienable rights that are not granted by the grace of the King's whim, they OURS in every sense of the word.
When we have to register or pay a fee to the authorities in order to receive those rights, it diminishes the whole concept of a RIGHT, and turns it into a privilege granted by the state, for small fee..

EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY!
That point cannot be overemphasized.

Taxing, licensing, registering, fees -- all are used to immediately transform RIGHTS into REVOCABLE PRIVILEGES.

So many have grown up unquestioningly accepting the above as "the way it is" without understanding its true nature, infringements upon our basic liberties.

Ya think it's time finally that we all get in touch with what those rights and liberties are?

When you do not know what your rights are, you have NONE.

Simba wrote:

Then there's the scientist trying to convert human waste into fuel. Now, should this fella succeed, will the government then tax our crap?

The govt will tax whatever they can get away with.

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the leading cause of unintentional injury-related death among children ages 1 to 4. The majority of
drownings and near-drownings occur in residential swimming pools and in open water sites. However,
children can drown in as little as one inch of water and are therefore at risk of drowning in wading pools,
bathtubs, buckets, diaper pails, toilets, spas and hot tubs.
Drowning usually occurs quickly and silently. Childhood drownings and near-drownings can happen in a
matter of seconds and typically occur when a child is left unattended or during a brief lapse in supervision.
Two minutes following submersion, a child will lose consciousness. Irreversible brain damage occurs after
four to six minutes and determines the immediate and long-term survival of a child. The majority of
children who survive (92 percent) are discovered within two minutes following submersion, and most
children who die (86 percent) are found after 10 minutes. Nearly all who require cardiopulmonary
resuscitation (CPR) die or are left with severe brain injury.
DROWNING DEATHS AND INJURIES
• In 2001, 859 children ages 14 and under died as a result of unintentional drowning. Children ages 4 and
under accounted for more than 60 percent of these deaths.
• In 2002, nearly 2,700 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for
unintentional drowning-related incidents.
• Near-drownings have high case fatality rates. Fifteen percent of children admitted for near-drowning
die in the hospital. As many as 20 percent of near-drowning survivors suffer severe, permanent
neurological disability.
WHEN AND WHERE DROWNINGS AND NEAR-DROWNINGS OCCUR
• More than half of drownings among infants (under age 1) occur in bathtubs. Drownings in this age
group also occur in toilets and buckets. More than half of drownings among children ages 1 to 4 are
pool-related. Children ages 5 to 14 most often drown in open water sites.
• Since 1984, more than 327 children, 89 percent between the ages of 7 months and 15 months, have
drowned in buckets containing water or other liquids used for mopping floors and other household
chores. It is estimated that 30 children drown annually in buckets.
• More than 10 percent of childhood drownings occur in bathtubs; the majority of these occur in the
absence of adult supervision. Since 1983, there have been at least 104 deaths and 162 non-fatal
incidents involving baby bath seats.
• Among children ages 4 and under, there are approximately 300 residential swimming pool drownings
each year. More than half of these drownings occur in the child's home pool, and one-third occur at the
homes of friends, neighbors or relatives.
• Most children who drown in swimming pools were last seen in the home, had been missing from sight
for less than five minutes and were in the care of one or both parents at the time of the drowning.
• Since 1980, more than 230 children ages 4 and under have drowned in spas and hot tubs.
• In 2002, 16 children ages 14 and under drowned in reported recreational boating incidents. Nearly 45
percent of these drowning victims were not wearing personal flotation devices or life jackets.
• In 2002, more than 189 children ages 14 and under sustained personal watercraft-related injuries.
• Drownings and near-drownings tend to occur on Saturdays and Sundays (40 percent) and between the
months of May and August (62 percent)."

dang sorry ya'll...wrong thread <blush>

Plant Lady wrote:

dang sorry ya'll...wrong thread <blush>

<grin>
No problem..

Plant Lady wrote:

"Drowning is the second leading cause of unintentional injury-related death among children ages 1 to 14 and
the leading cause of unintentional injury-related death among children ages 1 to 4. The majority of
drownings and near-drownings occur in residential swimming pools and in open water sites. However,
children can drown in as little as one inch of water and are therefore at risk of drowning in wading pools,
bathtubs, buckets, diaper pails, toilets, spas and hot tubs.
Drowning usually occurs quickly and silently. Childhood drownings and near-drownings can happen in a
matter of seconds and typically occur when a child is left unattended or during a brief lapse in supervision.
Two minutes following submersion, a child will lose consciousness. Irreversible brain damage occurs after
four to six minutes and determines the immediate and long-term survival of a child. The majority of
children who survive (92 percent) are discovered within two minutes following submersion, and most
children who die (86 percent) are found after 10 minutes. Nearly all who require cardiopulmonary
resuscitation (CPR) die or are left with severe brain injury.
DROWNING DEATHS AND INJURIES
• In 2001, 859 children ages 14 and under died as a result of unintentional drowning. Children ages 4 and
under accounted for more than 60 percent of these deaths.
• In 2002, nearly 2,700 children ages 14 and under were treated in hospital emergency rooms for
unintentional drowning-related incidents.
• Near-drownings have high case fatality rates. Fifteen percent of children admitted for near-drowning
die in the hospital. As many as 20 percent of near-drowning survivors suffer severe, permanent
neurological disability.
WHEN AND WHERE DROWNINGS AND NEAR-DROWNINGS OCCUR
• More than half of drownings among infants (under age 1) occur in bathtubs. Drownings in this age
group also occur in toilets and buckets. More than half of drownings among children ages 1 to 4 are
pool-related. Children ages 5 to 14 most often drown in open water sites.
• Since 1984, more than 327 children, 89 percent between the ages of 7 months and 15 months, have
drowned in buckets containing water or other liquids used for mopping floors and other household
chores. It is estimated that 30 children drown annually in buckets.
• More than 10 percent of childhood drownings occur in bathtubs; the majority of these occur in the
absence of adult supervision. Since 1983, there have been at least 104 deaths and 162 non-fatal
incidents involving baby bath seats.
• Among children ages 4 and under, there are approximately 300 residential swimming pool drownings
each year. More than half of these drownings occur in the child's home pool, and one-third occur at the
homes of friends, neighbors or relatives.
• Most children who drown in swimming pools were last seen in the home, had been missing from sight
for less than five minutes and were in the care of one or both parents at the time of the drowning.
• Since 1980, more than 230 children ages 4 and under have drowned in spas and hot tubs.
• In 2002, 16 children ages 14 and under drowned in reported recreational boating incidents. Nearly 45
percent of these drowning victims were not wearing personal flotation devices or life jackets.
• In 2002, more than 189 children ages 14 and under sustained personal watercraft-related injuries.
• Drownings and near-drownings tend to occur on Saturdays and Sundays (40 percent) and between the
months of May and August (62 percent)."

A little confused?? Not to worry.....no one reads your long winded stuff anyway.

Elizabeth Dalloway wrote:

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A little confused?? Not to worry.....no one reads your long winded stuff anyway.

Choking on those multi-syllable words, are you?

Simba wrote:

Then there's the scientist trying to convert human waste into fuel. Now, should this fella succeed, will the government then tax our crap?

Actually, there's enough crap in Washington DC to power the whole country.

fly on da wall wrote:

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But apparently taxes and fees on fundamental rights are OK?

Apparently so.

The government could require fees to publish newspapers.

I have to give up the right to bear arms when they make us wear long sleeve shirts in the winter! What.......... oh never mind

Jim Tailor wrote:

I have to give up the right to bear arms when they make us wear long sleeve shirts in the winter! What.......... oh never mind

Since you live in Massachusetts, I can understand how your nanny state would dictate the type of shirt you wear. Do they make you pay an annual tax to wear a short sleeve shirt in the summer?

Michael Ejercito wrote:

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Apparently so.
The government could require fees to publish newspapers.

Or use a public toliet

Monty wrote:

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Actually, there's enough crap in Washington DC to power the whole country.

LOL

Quit whining,

Pay the lady and pass the ammunition.

Not likely. The largest concentration of crap found today is from the newspaper, and most jurisdictions have declared them tax exempt.

Simba wrote:

Then there's the scientist trying to convert human waste into fuel. Now, should this fella succeed, will the government then tax our crap?

Paying for the 2nd amendment seems a bit silly.

Why not tax civil rights next? maybe tax the press? religion? how about paying a tax for your Miranda rights being read; or maybe to not incriminate yourself? Maybe we should tax everyone who isnt a slave for that right too.

Seriously... back into the harbor with these laws.

Why don't the mass.gun owners converge legally on boston with lawful weapons in hand as a show of cohesiveness and maybe even a little silent intimidation?

If it also would raise the renewal time from 6 years to 10 or 12 years than it would be ok to the raise the fee but to leave it at 6 years not fair.