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MiMi

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Apr 11, 2011
 
I am doing research on the Kadunce murders in 1978 on Wilmington Rd. Was hoping some people out there are a little older than me and can tell me what happened. I have all of the newspaper articles from NC News and 5-7 other papers. I would love to hear from some people who lived here then and what was being said..I look forward to your responses!
adman73

Pittsburgh, PA

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Jul 12, 2011
 
Larry Kadunce pronounced Kay dunce was in art class with me during the 1966-67 school term. He was one of about twenty children. His father was in the junk business. His mother passed away around 1990. He was a nice, but quiet person. I think he dropped out of school in 1967 and served in the US Army. The house where the murders took place was razed around 2004 to make room for Family Video. Frank Costal had an art store on
North street in New Castle for a while after the murders took place. Costal was a big black-bearded
scary looking person.
MeMe

New Castle, PA

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Jul 13, 2011
 
Who is Larry Kadunce?

Michael Atkinson is still in prison (Laurel Highlands prison) I think Frank may have died but I am not sure when or where the dpt of corrections may be able to tell you. There were a TON of rumors going around at the time, I was only about 9 then but my mom knew Frank Costal and she often talked about it with her friends. Many said he was into witchcraft and black magic...not sure if there was just rumor or what. That was another sad day in New Castle.
Tracie

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Oct 16, 2011
 

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I was young when this happened, but my mother knew Frank Costal well. I recently read the old newspaper clippings that I could locate online. I think Frank was unfairly convicted based on testimony from a killer (Atkinson) who made a deal with the prosection to escape the death penalty. Frank was a nice guy, with an infectious laugh, who claimed he could read palms, (he couldn't), but put on a fake personna for attention Lots of people liked him, trusted him, even would let him babysit their children. But this is New Castle, and public perceptions of people can send you to jail here. Ironclad evidence is never needed, and if you are different, you can be believed to be a murderer if your peers say you are capable. Combine that with a pisspoor public defender, and you're guaranteed a trip to prison. I think Frank was in the wrong place at the wrong time, and a killer found an opportunity to frame him. Satanic rituals don't usually involve bullets, and if anyone remembers, the Memphis Three were also convicted on testimony from a so-called Satanic expert. New Castle's unsolved murder rate, and false convictions and lack of any decent investigators speaks for itself. I would NOT want to be accused of a crime in this town.
the boy

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Jan 10, 2012
 
You shouldnt assume anything when it cones to the press. Ratings are everything to them. Second no one will ever know the truth not even me.and i was there. I have heard so many accusations and false testimony you wouldnt believe it. There is nothing anyone can do to change what happened, or drag the truth out of anyone involved. Its in the past, and id like to leave it there. I understand how this story can intrigue you. But if i can put it behind me so can you.
the boy

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#6
Jan 10, 2012
 
And just for correction its pronounced ka dunce its my name has been for 33 years.
MiMi

New Castle, PA

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Jan 11, 2012
 
I am sorry this is the hand you were dealt and it will always be in this community and I also don't think you should assume that anyone wants to put it behind them. I am sure you are aware that there are many cases that after several decades have passed people are more willing to talk. I am not only relying on the media, remember it wasn't like it is now back in 1978! I have court transcript and an appointment with Michael. I am sure you don't know what happened you were a baby! No one was asking you or contacting you. This is a public forum you are the one that went looking for your name of 33 years!
the boy

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Jan 11, 2012
 
Im not asking you to stop researching or talking about it. By all means go on just thoughing out my opinion. Im no one to say what and what not is allowed. If you would like however i can tell you what i know but not on here.
MiMi

New Castle, PA

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Jan 12, 2012
 
if you would like to contact me my email is unsolvedredrum@gmail.com.
Tracie

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Jan 12, 2012
 
I posted a reply that did not show up for some reason, but in it, I gave my sincere sympathy/empathy to "the boy" who was also a victim of this horrendous crime. I do agree with "mimi" that the boy could not have put something like this behind him if he is seeking forums discussing it, but, how could you put it behind you completely? Anyway, Mimi, what true info do you think Atkinson would give to shed light on anything, since he lied throughout? How could he be believed? Someone else also went to prison for life,(Frank) and I wish someone would re-read the evidence & see if there was any ironclad proof that that man had anything to do with this except for being at the wrong place/wrong time. I wish I could see the transcripts, because according to media reports, he was convicted on the words of criminals, a 15 year old juvenile delinquent, and public testimony that Frank was weird. Since this IS New Castle, apparently thats all it takes to be labeled a murderer. Maybe he did do something, maybe not. But all the people I know who knew him for real think he couldn't/wouldn't do something so hideous. And no motive to speak of. I'm hoping you post whatever you find out. And I hope it's credible. And for "the boy", such a terrible thing to have to grow up with. I hope things turned out well for you, and may God bless & take care of you. I'm not a religious person, but all things happen for a reason, and you were dealt a terrible blow so early in life.
MiMi

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Jan 12, 2012
 
Tracie wrote:
I posted a reply that did not show up for some reason, but in it, I gave my sincere sympathy/empathy to "the boy" who was also a victim of this horrendous crime. I do agree with "mimi" that the boy could not have put something like this behind him if he is seeking forums discussing it, but, how could you put it behind you completely? Anyway, Mimi, what true info do you think Atkinson would give to shed light on anything, since he lied throughout? How could he be believed? Someone else also went to prison for life,(Frank) and I wish someone would re-read the evidence & see if there was any ironclad proof that that man had anything to do with this except for being at the wrong place/wrong time. I wish I could see the transcripts, because according to media reports, he was convicted on the words of criminals, a 15 year old juvenile delinquent, and public testimony that Frank was weird. Since this IS New Castle, apparently thats all it takes to be labeled a murderer. Maybe he did do something, maybe not. But all the people I know who knew him for real think he couldn't/wouldn't do something so hideous. And no motive to speak of. I'm hoping you post whatever you find out. And I hope it's credible. And for "the boy", such a terrible thing to have to grow up with. I hope things turned out well for you, and may God bless & take care of you. I'm not a religious person, but all things happen for a reason, and you were dealt a terrible blow so early in life.
Hi Tracie, I am doing an investigative piece on the town and the murders, not just this case, actually this is the only "solved" case we are investigating at this time. There are so many other UNSOLVED and that is what our main focus is on but this case intrigued us when we came across it. In my experience some prisoners will tell things that they didn't at the time. I can assure we will investigate everything and will not publish anything we cannot verify. I do have empathy for "the boy", I have so much empathy for him. I do have transcripts but from your post you live there, I am sure you won't be surprised that we believe that some stuff may be tainted as well. I hope that you will see our finished project. From your post I would like to hear your feelings on this and what you may have heard at the time, feel free to email me as well @ unsolvedredrum@gmail.com
the boy

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Jan 15, 2012
 
I found it by accident actually. But its ok. We are all entitled to our own opinions.
Mick McFarland

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#13
Jan 16, 2012
 
Another satanic ritual murder, committed by some of the same actors, was the Gargasz-Withers murder.
Lawrence Co. is a hotbed for Satanic cults.

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Jan 16, 2012
 
"Lawrence Co. is a hotbed for Satanic cults"

LOL.
intheknow

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Jan 17, 2012
 
Being a Satanist myself, I must say it wasn't a Satanist thing. Hurting kids is a big no-no as is killing an animal that you aren't killing for food. You hurt those who hurt you, not just someone who happens to be around at the time. I've never met a Satanic cult. Now Devil worshipers are a different animal, those people are crazy and believe there is a devil and they can win favor by doing evil things...

Didn't mean to off-track the thread, just throwing a little fact out there... lol Not everything is like it's made to look in the movies... lol
Tracie

West Newton, PA

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Jan 17, 2012
 
I can't believe people are still saying this was an Occult ritual Satanic killing. That's what angers me the most, that people can't see the bigger picture. Obviously the Satanic crap was bogus, due to feebleminded individuals listening to gossip & forming opinions of someone. Take that aspect out of the equation, and you have a man fighting with a woman over some issue, possibly drugs, getting into a fight in a bathroom, and she got killed. As was the possible witness. I believe that Frank maybe freaked out when he saw her, maybe tried to help, getting blood on his shirt & hands, and was used as a scapegoat so the real killer could use it as reasonable doubt. 3 men were in that house. One of them killed people. The question is, which one? And yes, this is considered a "solved" case, but so was the Pulaski murders, which left a man on death row. If not for the perserverance of his family, he would still be there. I don't think Frank Kostal had anyone fighting for his innocence. Injustices happen all the time, and depending on how good your lawyer is determines what happens to you.
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Jan 18, 2012
 
intheknow wrote:
Being a Satanist myself, I must say it wasn't a Satanist thing. Hurting kids is a big no-no as is killing an animal that you aren't killing for food. You hurt those who hurt you, not just someone who happens to be around at the time. I've never met a Satanic cult. Now Devil worshipers are a different animal, those people are crazy and believe there is a devil and they can win favor by doing evil things...
Didn't mean to off-track the thread, just throwing a little fact out there... lol Not everything is like it's made to look in the movies... lol
Realizing that I am way off-topic here, but need to ask--what is the difference between a "satanist" and a "devil worshipper"? thanks!
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Jan 18, 2012
 
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<quoted text> Realizing that I am way off-topic here, but need to ask--what is the difference between a "satanist" and a "devil worshipper"? thanks!
A Satanist sees man as a carnal animal, which we are. We are our own God and that's why the most important day of the year is the day of our birth, the day of our God's birth. A devil worshiper views Satan as an actual being, kindred of Christians think of Jesus or Islam with Allah. While Satanism is mainly a philosophy, devil worshipers are, well, a special breed. Where as a Satanist would never violate the rights of another person (without a good reason, hit me and I'll hit you back 3 times), a devil worshiper believes doing evil is a good thing.

Think of the Amish. They do everything to gain glory from God. "I worked from 5am until 9pm in my fields today, wouldn't God be so proud?". Whereas a devil worshiper thinks nothing of taking the life of another person, molesting children, whatever they feel like they want to do no matter who it hurts... And they think that by doing this, they will gain glory in hell with Satan. While a Satanist would never hurt a child, they really don't care if they think they could get away with it.

The problem lies is that when people talk about Satanists they think about sacrificing animals, rape, and all sorts of horrible things. Atheistic Satanists such as myself, are doctors, lawyers, soccer moms, and heck, I'm a social worker. Theistic Satanists, those are the devil worshipers who just plain creep me out. I hate being lumped in with them.
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Jan 20, 2012
 
intheknow wrote:
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A Satanist sees man as a carnal animal, which we are. We are our own God and that's why the most important day of the year is the day of our birth, the day of our God's birth. A devil worshiper views Satan as an actual being, kindred of Christians think of Jesus or Islam with Allah. While Satanism is mainly a philosophy, devil worshipers are, well, a special breed. Where as a Satanist would never violate the rights of another person (without a good reason, hit me and I'll hit you back 3 times), a devil worshiper believes doing evil is a good thing.
Think of the Amish. They do everything to gain glory from God. "I worked from 5am until 9pm in my fields today, wouldn't God be so proud?". Whereas a devil worshiper thinks nothing of taking the life of another person, molesting children, whatever they feel like they want to do no matter who it hurts... And they think that by doing this, they will gain glory in hell with Satan. While a Satanist would never hurt a child, they really don't care if they think they could get away with it.
The problem lies is that when people talk about Satanists they think about sacrificing animals, rape, and all sorts of horrible things. Atheistic Satanists such as myself, are doctors, lawyers, soccer moms, and heck, I'm a social worker. Theistic Satanists, those are the devil worshipers who just plain creep me out. I hate being lumped in with them.
Thanks for clearing that up--I just assumed that if one were a "satanist", they worshipped satan, like a "Christian" worships Christ. I never knew there were "satanists" that weren't devil worshipers.
Tgerm77

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Oct 2, 2012
 
This is a topic my brother and our friends have been questioning for years. As far as new castle goes for unfolded murders... It's the Mecca of..
Mimi, please post onthis forum or on the new castle facebook page when you got all the facts and ready for print/ film or whatever and I thank you for your concern, effort and research on this matter... Get these murders solved and the free innocent ( if they maybe) by all means nessassary .

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