Awash in guns, Americans become their own enemies

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>In a round about way, you're saying the same thing as gay marriages being defined as civil unions. Just like it's a person's right to get married or own and possess a firearm, the licensed privilege is well defined.

Didn't need gov't approval to carry before.

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>At the state's discretion, this can occur.

WHERE —IN WHAT PART OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, OR =ANY= AMENDING ARTICLE— DOES ANY SUCH REMARK APPEAR?
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You'll be revealing that, won't you?
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Real soon now, right?
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Or, will you ...?

Highlander wrote:

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WHERE —IN WHAT PART OF THE U.S. CONSTITUTION, OR =ANY= AMENDING ARTICLE— DOES ANY SUCH REMARK APPEAR?
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You'll be revealing that, won't you?
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Real soon now, right?
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Or, will you ...?

LOL. Where in the US constitution does it not appear, lol.

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>LOL. Where in the US constitution does it not appear, lol.

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Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>In a round about way, you're saying the same thing as gay marriages being defined as civil unions. Just like it's a person's right to get married or own and possess a firearm, the licensed privilege is well defined.

Wrong again, Dick. I am saying nothing of the sort. Marriage is not an enumerated right in the Bill Of Rights.

Armed Veteran wrote:

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Wrong again, Dick. I am saying nothing of the sort. Marriage is not an enumerated right in the Bill Of Rights.

And neither is concealed carry, which is why the concept is left to the states to regulate as opposed to open carry which is your right to bear arms.

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>LOL. Where in the US constitution does it not appear, lol.

"Concealed" or "open" DOESN'T appear in the 2nd Amendment.

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>And neither is concealed carry, which is why the concept is left to the states to regulate as opposed to open carry which is your right to bear arms.

The "right" is to "keep and bear". There is NO stipulation in the enumerated right as to the manner of "bearing". It says NOTHING about "open" or "concealed".

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>And neither is concealed carry, which is why the concept is left to the states to regulate as opposed to open carry which is your right to bear arms.

Try openly carrying a handgun in New York and see how fast you get in trouble. Here you have no rights as far as carry unless you have a State issued permit which is by County. "Shall Not Be Infringed" means nothing here....

Armed Veteran wrote:

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Wrong again, Dick. I am saying nothing of the sort. Marriage is not an enumerated right in the Bill Of Rights.

It doesn't have to be, inasmuch as it's covered under the Ninth Article of Amendment:
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AMENDMENT IX

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
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Can you say 'Unlimited?' I ~know~ you can!

Richard_ wrote:

<quoted text>And neither is concealed carry, which is why the concept is left to the states to regulate as opposed to open carry which is your right to bear arms.

CATCH 22 TIME!
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If —as you are wont to declare— the state may dissemble, equivocate, and prevaricate over that matter of carriage, the what about Article IV, Section 2 of the U.S. Constitution:
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SECTION 2.

The citizens of each state shall be entitled to all privileges and immunities of citizens in the several states.
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Since the good citizens of Vermont, Alaska, Arizona, and Wyoming are not under any onus of law through licensure to carry arms as they might, in whatever way suits them, then by dint of the above constraint of Article IV, Section 2, they are OBLIGED to recognise those citizens rights to NOT be put upon.
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Further, the Fourteenth Article of Amendment states in no uncertain terms:
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AMENDMENT XIV

SECTION 1.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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Germane clause: "nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
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Guess what, clueless DICK? YOU LOSE!

Marauder wrote:

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The "right" is to "keep and bear". There is NO stipulation in the enumerated right as to the manner of "bearing". It says NOTHING about "open" or "concealed".

But not only that: The amendment itself doesn't grant anything. Rather, it is an express PROHIBITION against government acts regarding the right enumerated.
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Taken in that vein, since the prohibition says that the right shall not be infringed, then it ~must~ also be taken as a given that ~any~ stipulation otherwise —regarding carriage— is to be thought of as a form of infringement.
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Were we to go with dick head's specious arguments, then the government would be able to demand that all guns ~must~ be worn on the top of one's head.

Have Seen It Before wrote:

<quoted text>Try openly carrying a handgun in New York and see how fast you get in trouble. Here you have no rights as far as carry unless you have a State issued permit which is by County. "Shall Not Be Infringed" means nothing here....

One day soon that matter shall be rectified.

Highlander wrote:

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One day soon that matter shall be rectified.

I certainly hope so.

Highlander wrote:

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But not only that: The amendment itself doesn't grant anything. Rather, it is an express PROHIBITION against government acts regarding the right enumerated.
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Taken in that vein, since the prohibition says that the right shall not be infringed, then it ~must~ also be taken as a given that ~any~ stipulation otherwise —regarding carriage— is to be thought of as a form of infringement.
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Were we to go with dick head's specious arguments, then the government would be able to demand that all guns ~must~ be worn on the top of one's head.

"Were we to go with dick head's specious arguments, then the government would be able to demand that all guns ~must~ be worn on the top of one's head."

Lol...well then he really would have a problem...he's such a pinhead.

Marauder wrote:

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"Were we to go with dick head's specious arguments, then the government would be able to demand that all guns ~must~ be worn on the top of one's head."
Lol...well then he really would have a problem...he's such a pinhead.

And further to that, is this: The entire essential essence of the U.S. Constitution is one of limited powers. Said enumerated powers are limited by dint of the statement of what's allowed. If there is no enumeration of power, then there cannot be any legal or lawful exercise of power.
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Additionally, the Second Article of Amendment is an affirmative declaration of a prohibition. In no place of that prohibition is there a statement of enumerated powers. So, since there is nothing of an implied power —in even the most oblique way— relative to the amendment, then the argument regarding that matter of carriage is both specious and spurious, egregiously so.

Richard_ wrote:

Yeah, bearing means open carry, much like a rifle or shotgon slung on one's shoulder or a pistol on their hip holster...open carry, your right to bear arms.
Concealed carry, is the state's privilege to regulate, as is seen here in the U.S. today.

Bearing means to carry and deliver.

Have you ever beared a child?

And the child was concealed for 9 months.

Where do you get these notions, Richard?

Marauder wrote:

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"Were we to go with dick head's specious arguments, then the government would be able to demand that all guns ~must~ be worn on the top of one's head."
Lol...well then he really would have a problem...he's such a pinhead.

Not at all. The trigger guard fits nicely.

Bearing means openly possessing the firearm on a holster or shoulder sling. State's have the authority to regulate concealed carry, since it is NOT bearing arms.

ZigmunnDroid wrote:

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Bearing means to carry and deliver.
Have you ever beared a child?
And the child was concealed for 9 months.
Where do you get these notions, Richard?

Borne, dangitall! Borne! The past participle of to bear.