Your Opinion Please

Liberty Rings wrote:

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take your racist ideas and stick them where the sun don't shine Toby! Instead of crying for separation, how about coming up with a formula for success?

Liberty you do not know me but if you did you would know that I am far from being a racist. I am a practical man. I have many black friends that agree with me on this issue.

Toby wrote:

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What they and YOU are going to scream about is because he was black and that is why he did not get the job. So "SEPERATION" is the answer. Whites in one place ......Blacks in another........NO PROBLEMO. Now take those words and stick 'em where the sun doesn't shine big boy.

I will never understand this whole racism thing -- how would you feel if people made all of these negative assumptions about you because your eyes were green instead of blue? Because you had wavy hair instead of straight hair? It is just that arbitrary. Why can't you see that? Are you really THAT stupid?

Toby is making stuff up.

Or he acts completely different in front of his so called 'black friends.' That's racist right there. Only folks who need to qualify that statement, are the one's needing justification. Not happening.

Several threads, Toby, you've stated you stick by your racist roots.

Toby wrote:

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Liberty you do not know me but if you did you would know that I am far from being a racist. I am a practical man. I have many black friends that agree with me on this issue.

really? that's is surprising because being practical you should realize that separating kids again will only foster the divide that already exists between the races. No good can come of it and I don't think it's a very good idea at all.

Kids are making that divide an over 30 stigma.

I'd love to defend the first white kid who wanted to go to a black school. Lord help the preacher is that white kid is your daughter. Alas, I'm only an amatuer lawyer on facebook and topix ;)

CSID wrote:

Kids shouldn't be scared at school either, from a bully or principal.
When you were in school, you were obviously taught racism. Racism is taught, not instinct.
At least you finally mentioned your true intentions.
We can't go back to non A/C classes either, in case that utility bill is causing economic problems for you.
And let's face it, that segregation generation wasn't all that great. Seems like your underlying problems are significant. Settle that yourself, because society isn't going in a negative direction.
Not problem solved. Not that easy. You really don't have a clue. How about we all use the internet for classrooms? At least then race doesn't matter.

I take some issue with the statement that "racism" is not the issue. I disagree from the standpoint that human's most basic need is to live/survive. The human will do anything to live/survive and that means that they will automatically find reasons that someone else is not as worthy of living as themselves. Obviously one of the ways to seperate yourself from others is by color of skin.

Now, that is a very basic human strives to survive type argument. I think there is definitely something there.

Racism is not the issue. Education is.

The rest of your post shows, well...I disagree wholeheartedly.

A humans most basic need is to survive. Gotcha.
However, that doesn't automatically mean they must find reasons that someone else is not worthy of living. That attitude leads to holy wars. Not survival. It is a very large world, and making a world of enemies isn't going to lead to survival in the long term. Obviously, you just want to divide based on skin color.

You argument is void. There is nothing there. All assumptions are wrong. Your linear thought, your logic on survival and race, is so far off a map won't help. I think you are in Toby's private room.

You are grasping at straws.

Get a grip wrote:

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I take some issue with the statement that "racism" is not the issue. I disagree from the standpoint that human's most basic need is to live/survive. The human will do anything to live/survive and that means that they will automatically find reasons that someone else is not as worthy of living as themselves. Obviously one of the ways to seperate yourself from others is by color of skin.
Now, that is a very basic human strives to survive type argument. I think there is definitely something there.

So you're saying that in order to survive, white people need to see black people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not white? And that in order for black people to survive they need to see white people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not black? And that for brown people to survive, they need to see both white and black people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not brown? It is this kind of thinking that is the cornerstone of most of the United State's social problems. This line of thought is WRONG! and needs to be TOTALLY ERADICATED. Anyone who doesn't see that is a serious detriment to the progress of modern society.

Jamie wrote:

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So you're saying that in order to survive, white people need to see black people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not white? And that in order for black people to survive they need to see white people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not black? And that for brown people to survive, they need to see both white and black people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not brown? It is this kind of thinking that is the cornerstone of most of the United State's social problems. This line of thought is WRONG! and needs to be TOTALLY ERADICATED. Anyone who doesn't see that is a serious detriment to the progress of modern society.

I'm glad someone else thinks so. I was beginning to wonder.

Why can't these others see how insane that perseption of the world is? And how negative it is? That stigma holds us all back.

You were taught to be racist, hate is not inherent all at once for everything different.

Jamie wrote:

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So you're saying that in order to survive, white people need to see black people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not white? And that in order for black people to survive they need to see white people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not black? And that for brown people to survive, they need to see both white and black people as not as worthy of living as themselves, based soley on the fact that they are not brown? It is this kind of thinking that is the cornerstone of most of the United State's social problems. This line of thought is WRONG! and needs to be TOTALLY ERADICATED. Anyone who doesn't see that is a serious detriment to the progress of modern society.

Sadly, Jamie the Klan/Skinhead mentality is still alive and well. I hope that some of these people are old or live very unhealthy lifestyles.Their views are a thing of the past.

It may be alive, but it is only well in places which foster that attitude. Basically, those people must seclude themselves because most of the world is past that shallowness. That's why they want seperation. They know they are outdated, and outcasts because of their racist beliefs, not their skin color.

You have all missed the point. You just had to make it a racial issue. I was talking about the school system. It seemed to be much better when the blacks were with the blacks, the whites with the whites and the browns were with the browns attending school down the river there. No one was raising hell about the teachers, principals or school board members. THAT IS MY POINT. If you cannot make it work in 2009......go back to before intergration. Forget the black/white issue.........do what is right for the youth of today. I'm not longer going to post about his topic. I've made my point. I am not a racist but you people seem to dwell on that rather than face the problem.
Y'all love to pit the whites against the blacks for some damn reason.

CSID wrote:

It may be alive, but it is only well in places which foster that attitude. Basically, those people must seclude themselves because most of the world is past that shallowness. That's why they want seperation. They know they are outdated, and outcasts because of their racist beliefs, not their skin color.

Here's a picture of racism in Utah..Wonder if any of these bigots posting on here look like this? It seems to be quite popular with the skinheads around here..Lol

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/wp-content/uplo...

Umm... Toby, you're suggesting segregation as the solution to the nation's educational woes. By default, YOU made it a racial issue by bringing up the idea at all.

What I want is a school system that separates the children of liberals from you wackjobs on the right. I don't want to subject my kids to your idiot rantings, they might lose IQ points through osmosis.

Toby wrote:

You have all missed the point. You just had to make it a racial issue. I was talking about the school system. It seemed to be much better when the blacks were with the blacks, the whites with the whites and the browns were with the browns attending school down the river there. No one was raising hell about the teachers, principals or school board members. THAT IS MY POINT. If you cannot make it work in 2009......go back to before intergration. Forget the black/white issue.........do what is right for the youth of today. I'm not longer going to post about his topic. I've made my point. I am not a racist but you people seem to dwell on that rather than face the problem.
Y'all love to pit the whites against the blacks for some damn reason.

You made it a racially issue. First you implied, then you blandly stated your intentions.

Still wrong either way. You are the racist, and you've admitted as much several times.

Is it racist to be pissed off about MOST black kids acting a fool in school and depriving other children of learning and being in a comfortable environment??

Is it also racist to wish that more parents would account for their kid's actions and discipline them so that they DON'T get out of hand?

Is it racist to wish that we still held the same standards today and we did years ago??

Im sick & tired of people playing the race card anytime a person calls out black people for their terrible and embarrassing hoodlum behavior!

JUST ACT DECENT, HANDLE YOUR RESPONSSIBLITIES, TREAT OTHER PEOPLE WITH RESPECT & STOP BREAKING THE LAW AND EVERYONE WILL BE PERFECTLY FREAKING CONTENT!

IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK A PERSON TO LIVE THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYONE ELSE!
taking up for the wrongdoers is just as bad as being one of them!

It is racist not to understand that is their culture. Just because white people walk around all quiet doesn't mean we must all walk in a straight line.

The parents are the root of the problem. Those kids acting up wouldn't do it as much if the parents cared about 1) grades 2) respect 3) their kids after school activities.

It is stupid to want standards decades old, like Segregation.

Are you imply that you'd scream this to black people? That's racist.

No one is taking up for anything but equality. And seperate is not equal.

It is racism to imply that rude, embarrasing behavior is just being black. I think rednecks with no sleeves, standing around and being obnoxious is just plain sickening. Like blocking doors in the gas station while they drink coffe and talk constantly about nothing. usually ill informed rural folk who don't care about anything but their tract of country. nothing wrong with that until it makes you a biased, uniformed redneck hoodlum/racist.

Hoodlums come in all colors.

Toby ran away becuase once again, his true motives were exposed. Go back to you rock racist, hide under it.

Tango wrote:

Is it racist to be pissed off about MOST black kids acting a fool in school and depriving other children of learning and being in a comfortable environment??
Is it also racist to wish that more parents would account for their kid's actions and discipline them so that they DON'T get out of hand?
Is it racist to wish that we still held the same standards today and we did years ago??
Im sick & tired of people playing the race card anytime a person calls out black people for their terrible and embarrassing hoodlum behavior!
JUST ACT DECENT, HANDLE YOUR RESPONSSIBLITIES, TREAT OTHER PEOPLE WITH RESPECT & STOP BREAKING THE LAW AND EVERYONE WILL BE PERFECTLY FREAKING CONTENT!
IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK A PERSON TO LIVE THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYONE ELSE!
taking up for the wrongdoers is just as bad as being one of them!

It is racist to assume that because a person is black he will "act a fool" and not take part in his or her child's education.

It is racist to lump all black people (or brown people, or white people) into one behavioral stereotype.

It is racist to use that false stereotype to segregate all black people and brown people into substandard schools.

For your information, Toby, it WAS NOT better back in the good ol' days of segregation. It may have been better for white kids, but that's the whole point of desegregation. There cannot be separate standards based soley on a person skin color. All kids need to be treated exactly the same and if you separate them based on something as superficial and inconsequential as skin color, history has shown us over and over again that they will not be.

I can't believe we're even having this discussion. Toby, you should be truly ashamed of yourself.

Tango wrote:

Is it racist to be pissed off about MOST black kids acting a fool in school and depriving other children of learning and being in a comfortable environment??
Is it also racist to wish that more parents would account for their kid's actions and discipline them so that they DON'T get out of hand?
Is it racist to wish that we still held the same standards today and we did years ago??
Im sick & tired of people playing the race card anytime a person calls out black people for their terrible and embarrassing hoodlum behavior!
JUST ACT DECENT, HANDLE YOUR RESPONSSIBLITIES, TREAT OTHER PEOPLE WITH RESPECT & STOP BREAKING THE LAW AND EVERYONE WILL BE PERFECTLY FREAKING CONTENT!
IS IT TOO MUCH TO ASK A PERSON TO LIVE THE RIGHT WAY FOR THE SAKE OF EVERYONE ELSE!
taking up for the wrongdoers is just as bad as being one of them!

Finally someone hit the nail on the head!!
Discipline is a HUGE problem!! Some students respect NOONE and they will continue to do so as long as there are NO consequences!!!