Suicide is painless?!

Sick for the Lord, praying for you too Endof!!

how in the world do you know suicide is painless?
thats like everyone saying lethal injection is painless what did they do bring someone back ask him and kill em again

It really is sick. You claim that your loving god would make a hell for the rest of us. We are his children as well, though we may be illegitamate. If your child tells you that he doenst' love you, do you tie him down inm the basement and torture him? Sick bastards.

Endof wrote:

You people are some really sick religious freaks.

finally some logic, and succinct, nice job, bro

Baron why do you act like God has tied you down in the basement? what is your deal? i would say you have some mental issues going on , and that is called a STRONGHOLD from Satan, only way to break that - is through God...
God provides for ALL His children..Baron do you not have food, shelter, and clothes to wear... God gave you all that....i will put you to a challenge..pick up the Bible and just wait and see what happens...if there is no God or He is just mean...what do you have to be afraid of???
there is no darkness in Him at all....and He will never let His children beg for food...because He LOVES AND He LIVES!!! amen, praise you Jesus....and go watch Passion of the Christ, by Mel Gibson...wonderful story ! that will move you to understand...there obviously has been a line of misunderstanding about God..or someone raised you telling you wrong..

endof, im gonna take that as a compliment.... God told us in His word that His people would be Hated and called names....so your just helping line up the Word of God.

No problem, bug. It was a compliment, as I could have said a lot worse, but I was trying to be nice.

You claim your god is omnipotent and omniescent. Therefor he knew from the moment he created Lucifer that he would fall. Your god CREATED Satan. Your god, being omniescent, also knows the exact path everyone's life will take, as he has determined them "before the foundation of the world.". So if we go to hell, it has because he has shoved us, his children, into Satan's maw.

Way to go dad.

God cannot be put into a box...this is complicated and its simple at the same time...its not black or white...there is no TOTAL free will and there is no TOTAL pre-determination...God made Satan so he could tempt and test us, and all along He knew that our spirits would be naturally atrracted to God.
Its just like the book of Job... Job was perfect in God's eyes and job had 7 sons and 3 daughters he had 7,000 sheep and 3,000 camels, 500 oxen and 500 jackasses. one day Satan came to God and God asked him "where do you go"? and satan answered " from going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it." so God asked Satan..."have you considered Job, there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and upright man." and satan asked " havent you placed a hedge around him and his house? " then satan also says" put forth your hand and release that hedge of protection on him and he will curse you to your face." God answered " all that he has is in your power, only him are you to not touch." and so satan went....long story short, job lost his children, all his animals, and satan even placed boils on his body from head to toe... still Job did not curse God.
God knows all and Is all consuming love and fire...bad things happen to us but God cannot bring harm on us, he can allow satan to bring it , and in the end, he will always give back 7 times what satan stole from us, and he will always take us to a new level in life and in our spirit and use the bad that happened in our life to better ourselves , other people, and the kingdom. Sometimes God will allow Satan to "kill" someone and use their death to get 5 more people saved...

God wasent the one who jaded you Baron...you must recognize the true enemy and take a stand against him so he cannot hurt you anymore...satan has power, but his power is dark and its limited....All you need to do is plead the blood of Jesus over your life. satan cannot touch that.
if you hear God or satan speaking to you, one way to tell who is speaking is to ask the voice to give you a scripture with what was just said. God will always back his words up with a scripture for you to follow. satan cannot do that. satan knows the scriptures but he cannot tell you to cuss out someone ( for example) and back it up with a scripture. satan is evil, there is no light in him. he seeks whom he can kill steal and devour...give him no power...
i know what im talking about, i live my life by this...and it works.

I don't know, bug. I always thought the scripture of jesus cursing the fig tree because it was out of season to be especially enlightening.

"Sometimes God will allow Satan to "kill" someone and use their death to get 5 more people saved..."

Because those 5 were more important than that one? Or, take this into consideration. An omnipotent god could save all 6 children, but he chooses to consign one to torture to 'save' the other 5.

And bug, by the way. I've read the bible. Cover to cover.

Have you?

bug wrote:

God cannot be put into a box...this is complicated and its simple at the same time...its not black or white...there is no TOTAL free will and there is no TOTAL pre-determination...God made Satan so he could tempt and test us, and all along He knew that our spirits would be naturally atrracted to God.
Its just like the book of Job... Job was perfect in God's eyes and job had 7 sons and 3 daughters he had 7,000 sheep and 3,000 camels, 500 oxen and 500 jackasses. one day Satan came to God and God asked him "where do you go"? and satan answered " from going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it." so God asked Satan..."have you considered Job, there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and upright man." and satan asked " havent you placed a hedge around him and his house? " then satan also says" put forth your hand and release that hedge of protection on him and he will curse you to your face." God answered " all that he has is in your power, only him are you to not touch." and so satan went....long story short, job lost his children, all his animals, and satan even placed boils on his body from head to toe... still Job did not curse God.
God knows all and Is all consuming love and fire...bad things happen to us but God cannot bring harm on us, he can allow satan to bring it , and in the end, he will always give back 7 times what satan stole from us, and he will always take us to a new level in life and in our spirit and use the bad that happened in our life to better ourselves , other people, and the kingdom. Sometimes God will allow Satan to "kill" someone and use their death to get 5 more people saved...

Praise God

is that all you have to say....after i did all posting..thats it?

death is not always a bad thing...you never really die..."mr. ive read the bible" cover to cover - i dont believe you...you would not say the things you say if you had...
if you have read the Bible and were once saved then what your doing now is called "back sliding" and that's worse than never knowing Him... knowing Him then turning around and letting Him go is worse than to have never known the holy spirit at all.
what i meant when i said God would allow death to come upon you so he can use your "earthly" death to save 5 more was...that way he takes all 6 to heaven and not just the one...
God is not concerned with death...He sent His only SON to calvary so he could save the rest of us....same example i posted earlier...satan thought he was killing the Messiah, but God was using that for His kingdom.
There are the 3 trees in the Bible, the one in Genesis ( tree of life), the one in Revelation...the third one was the one Jesus hung on...Jesus became the bridge and he became the sin to help us get from The beginning(Genesis) to the end(revelation).
i mean, its not complicated, you have no argument.

bug wrote:

is that all you have to say....after i did all posting..thats it?
death is not always a bad thing...you never really die..."mr. ive read the bible" cover to cover - i dont believe you...you would not say the things you say if you had...
if you have read the Bible and were once saved then what your doing now is called "back sliding" and that's worse than never knowing Him... knowing Him then turning around and letting Him go is worse than to have never known the holy spirit at all.
what i meant when i said God would allow death to come upon you so he can use your "earthly" death to save 5 more was...that way he takes all 6 to heaven and not just the one...
God is not concerned with death...He sent His only SON to calvary so he could save the rest of us....same example i posted earlier...satan thought he was killing the Messiah, but God was using that for His kingdom.
There are the 3 trees in the Bible, the one in Genesis ( tree of life), the one in Revelation...the third one was the one Jesus hung on...Jesus became the bridge and he became the sin to help us get from The beginning(Genesis) to the end(revelation).
i mean, its not complicated, you have no argument.

I've read the bible cover to cover and was raised real religious. Spent 20 years in church (everytime the door was open), did the Sunday-schooling, Bible study, and spent many many hours sincerely trying to open up my heart to the Christian God. Didn't take. I can't get past the suffering of the innocents. I read the theologians, particularly the Christian apologists, like C.S. Lewis, and their arguments strike me like your's, illogical and circular. I simply can't reconcile an omnipotent God with innocent babies suffering horrible deaths. And I don't find comfort in platitudes like 'God's unknowable plan' or 'the mystery of God'.

If believing in this savage God brings you comfort, good for you, but why is it so hard for ya'll to accept that someone can lead a productive, ethical, caring, and happy life without believing in the divinity of (as Bart Simpson said) "a carpenter who's been dead for 2000 years?" Remember, just because I'm not on the same path as you, doesn't mean I'm lost.

he is not dead....he lives.

one thing our GOD does give is the chance to decide which way we want to go....
i just know how my life was before i knew God, and i see my life now.

i would never go back..

God does not make the babies suffer - satan does, God may allow it to show and teach someone else, he may allow it for the glory of the kingdom, which in all actuallity ( spelling?) is better than be able to live. The fews years we spend on earth are nothing. all this life is for is to live it for the will of God. your putting way too much value on human life. you obviously are affected by the suffering. Now, you are willing to fight for them and defend them. someone has to do it. maybe that is your test in this life.
besides you never know what is doing , what he has planned out.
if you have children, your relationship with them will easily explain the relationship God has with us.
i will never believe your life is whole without God. because i know from experience.
If you think it is whole - there is still some spirit dwelling in you, if not, you would not care about "suffering children". you would be indifferent.
if your having trouble believing just straight up ask God what it is your bothered with. He will answer you. that is one thing i love about God, is that if im having a bad day or something is hurting me, i can tell him what the problem is and i know he will carry me through it. i can tell him everything i want, and that is ok.
By now i should have been dead. but im not - i live a very fruitful life and i have more life inside me than ever.
the word says, if you raise a child up in the ways of the Lord, though he may wander, he will always return. but you know that already right?
you have read the bible before - right? maybe you have forgot some things.
our spirit is naturally atrracted to Him, you can fight it all you want, but in the end he deals with everyone.
if you want to live your life without him , ok.
when he comes to take you home, you still have an opportunity to accept Him, and go to heaven, even in ur last breath. im not trying to force this on you, i am just doing what he has commanded of His children. and that is to tell what i know.
do you consider yourself saved?
because u can be saved and not be christlike...oh, but you know that too.
were you raised in a baptist church??
were you ever taught the gifts of the spirit??

Something is wrong wrote:

Why are you talking about suicide? GOD alone has authority over life. HE created each of us and suicide is not in HIS plan.
Get help. Cut the crap. There are no demons GOD can't neutralize.

I'm not here to preach just gave an opinion. But now I have a question for you. You say God alone has authority over life. That means you do believe in God. Then you say "Cut the crap. There are no demons... I don't even understand what you mean by "God can't neutralize". But I know his Word says in James 2:19 You believe that there is one God. You do well. But, even the demons believe in God and tremble." How is it you Believe in God and say there are no demons?

Mark wrote:

BUT HELL IS NOT PAINLESS..IT IS FOREVER...WEEPING AND WAILING AND NASHING OF TEETH

GNASHING

bug wrote:

is that all you have to say....after i did all posting..thats it?
death is not always a bad thing...you never really die..."mr. ive read the bible" cover to cover - i dont believe you...you would not say the things you say if you had...
if you have read the Bible and were once saved then what your doing now is called "back sliding" and that's worse than never knowing Him... knowing Him then turning around and letting Him go is worse than to have never known the holy spirit at all.
what i meant when i said God would allow death to come upon you so he can use your "earthly" death to save 5 more was...that way he takes all 6 to heaven and not just the one...
God is not concerned with death...He sent His only SON to calvary so he could save the rest of us....same example i posted earlier...satan thought he was killing the Messiah, but God was using that for His kingdom.
There are the 3 trees in the Bible, the one in Genesis ( tree of life), the one in Revelation...the third one was the one Jesus hung on...Jesus became the bridge and he became the sin to help us get from The beginning(Genesis) to the end(revelation).
i mean, its not complicated, you have no argument.

Actually there are two trees mentioned in Genesis.