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Stunned

Murray, KY

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Nov 27, 2012
 
We've been hearing that MSU is going to clean house and replace all their employees. It's supposed to save them lots of money.

Just how is that possible if you have to train new people? I mean why would you let a entire workforce go, just to have to train new people.

They also said that they would cut out any and all benefits. And some kind of new company would hire who they wanted to.
stupidsayswhat

Gallatin, TN

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#2
Nov 27, 2012
 
Rumor! I'd think you would have to be very dense to believe that they would or could fire their entire workforce.
Jones

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#4
Nov 27, 2012
 
truish wrote:
They are getting rid of their cleaning staff and bringing in a outside company that can do it much cheaper.
They won't have to offer them any benefits and the work will get done faster and better.

They are in the 1st stages of the process. Should happen before next fall term. Maybe even summer so that they can get the buildings waxed the right way for a change.

But no office staff or other maintenance crews/grounds crews will be effected.

The main reason for this is that the cleaning crews have gone down hill for many years and many of the teaching staff have been saying that items are disappearing from the offices.
Thank God. I was getting sick of seeing the cleaning staff fleece taxpayers with their huge salaries and benefits. There are Mexicans that will gladly do the work for minimum wage and no benefits.
Joe

Murray, KY

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#5
Nov 27, 2012
 
MSU needs to trim its staff.
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Mayfield, KY

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Nov 27, 2012
 

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My mother works there and hardly makes a "huge" salary. It's not minimum wage but i couldn't put up with the things she deals with. I often hear her telling me about having to clean up after kids who think they don't have to clean up after themselves. She says that the ball players are the worst.
Quick

Murray, KY

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Nov 27, 2012
 

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Jones wrote:
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Thank God. I was getting sick of seeing the cleaning staff fleece taxpayers with their huge salaries and benefits. There are Mexicans that will gladly do the work for minimum wage and no benefits.
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Yea those Mexicans are honest hard working people they wouldn't steal anything......
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Nov 28, 2012
 

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MSU= Suck Ass Place to work
OIU812

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Nov 28, 2012
 
Quick wrote:
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Yea those Mexicans are honest hard working people they wouldn't steal anything......
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Yea they would!!!
lucy

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Nov 28, 2012
 
truish wrote:
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I don't know about all of that bit. But it comes down to this:
They do a sub-par job and the last year or so has seen a marked increase in personal items being taken from the offices. Something had to be done.
We can go with an outside company to get everything done in half the time for around a 3rd less the cost.
If these people wanted to keep their jobs they would have done them.
yeah, they did have a good staff a few years ago, but then harper wanted to do it different, so this is what it has come down to. him and grogan. I have known many that worked there before.
Common Sense

Murray, KY

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#15
Nov 29, 2012
 
Why would a large employer in Murray seek to replace its work force. I mean wouldn't if make better sense to keep the ones they got. Seems like training all new people would be costly. Where are the savings there.
Mac

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#16
Nov 29, 2012
 
Common Sense wrote:
Why would a large employer in Murray seek to replace its work force. I mean wouldn't if make better sense to keep the ones they got. Seems like training all new people would be costly. Where are the savings there.
In the long term they will save money by paying the new employees less without benefits. Cutting cost has been all the rage for the last 30 years or so.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
truish wrote:
<quoted text>Saving money is only a little of it. Our main reasoning is that a company can do it better. With less thieving. In less time so we can keep classes going longer. We'll have more night classes soon.

This is the best move for MSU.
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Nov 29, 2012
 
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#22
Nov 29, 2012
 
I don't understand the rudeness here, or why some people can't understand sarcasm. Grow up people, businesses (including state universities) are allowed to hire & fire whomever they feel is needed/unneeded. It is highly unlikely that MSU will fire every single staff member & replace them with somebody that knows nothing of the job they are taking. That would be silly, they will let go SOME employees and probably hire some experienced workers to replace them at a lower pay scale with less benefits.
they need too

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Nov 30, 2012
 

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Someone absouletly needs to clean house at MSU. Have you ever seen any of them actually working? But then again, they are govenment employees who by the way will never be able to get a real job cause people don't hire govenment workers becaue they are so lazy. I agree, clean it up, cut back, and make room for kids to go to college
Employee

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#25
Nov 30, 2012
 
they need too wrote:
Someone absouletly needs to clean house at MSU. Have you ever seen any of them actually working? But then again, they are govenment employees who by the way will never be able to get a real job cause people don't hire govenment workers becaue they are so lazy. I agree, clean it up, cut back, and make room for kids to go to college
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That's where you're wrong. I'll just bet you couldn't do any of the trades jobs. That's right. They have very experience people in highly skilled jobs. They are vastly underpaid and overworked. To make my point I would inform you that they cut out overtime and will only pay for 40 hours.

Get you're facts straight and stop lying.
murray

New Concord, KY

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#26
Nov 30, 2012
 
Due to the people put in place to save MSU it is going down hill fast.it is not just the cleaning staff it is all over.Where are the Board of Regents members and why are they not looking from the vice president all the way down to fm at the people that are not smart enough to stop the waste that is happening.it is not the workers they have no control over anything.And to the person that thinks everyone should have went to collage and they would not be cleaning MSU another educated fool.do you know that some are cleaning houses so what good did it do?Sodexho INC.is on campus and someone needs to take a look at Western at the great job they did there.
72KVA

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Nov 30, 2012
 

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The truth is always somewhere in the middle.

MSU administration is in the process of doing effiency reviews for budget recomendations because of basically a 3 million dollar shortfall in state funding for next year.

Nothing is on the table...but nothing is off the table either. At this time there is anything set in stone and throughout this thread is nothing more than rumors.

To even go one step further... the area being reviewed for possible contracts is food services....not the cleaning staff. This is not to say it could'nt come to light.. but it's not there yet and more than likely it will be just a reduction of the present workforce. Which could be through attrition ..not filling vacated positions at present & future.Which holds true with all departments... not just FM.

As far as contract maintenence in general theres lot to be considered. As mentioned WKU at the helm of Kern Alexander thought it would be cost effective to contract maintenence & food services. It was'nt through SODEXHO but it was Mariott.

To make a long story short at the end of their first year... they spent more for contracted services then they did their own workforce doing the same job. The preverbial crap hit the fan and Kern resigned suddenly. I'll even comment further to a point they were in such dire straights they could'nt even meet payroll. Inturn.. the state steped in & bailed them out and they restructured their staff as it was before contract services. So.... ultimately it was a costly experiment.

Also if you go back to the early 90's at MSU... this has occured before. Campus wide..MSU employees took a 2% pay cut and unsure at total reduction across campus but FM.. known as the phisical plant at that time lost around 20 positions which honestly were never replaced / filled to this day. Which is also a consideration to weigh... how much you can reduce or do without and not effect the overall mission of the university.

I also like to comment to the effect of employees and their skills & education in general. It's obvious some of the posters believe "maintenance" consist only of cleaning & grounds.. which is far from the truth and generally off base. The majority of maintenance involves areas of skilled trades. Just as the initiative of a 4 year degree... most trades require years of experience & training in their fields. Day to day operation requires state(sometimes federal/epa) licensure & certification to qualify as plumbers , electricians & HVAC. Go into this deeper areas such as HVAC controls..electronics..IT..we are talking 2 & 4 year degreed individuals.

Basically no different than the private sector and this involves highly skilled & trained positions that would be hard to replace their knowledge by contract services ..specifically with the campus infastructure alone concerning steam, chilled water & high voltage distribution.

So ...basically there a lot of misled & uninformed individuals that have commented on this thread.

Also..sorry to be so long winded ...but thought some things need to be said... and yes... I've worked at MSU for a long time.
pissy attitude

Murray, KY

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#29
Nov 30, 2012
 
Can a few asses and the rest may work harder.
paul

Murray, KY

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#30
Dec 1, 2012
 
Hi pissy, were you trying to spell assess?? It sounded like you were saying "can a few assess and the rest may work harder?" If i remember correctly, those tricky words were taught in fourth grade. Let me give you a heads up corn dog master, Pneumonia has a tricky "p" at the beginning. Totally not cool, I know, but damn glad I told ya huh??

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