Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,113

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#86276 Aug 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
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I know that's what you say... It's what a lot of folks say... I am concerned with what those that can not speak Would say if they could... I'm of the view that human life has intrinsic value and if we do not set a date certain as for when Human Life begins and do not give that human life constitutional protection as was written, that Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness are Self Evident and Inalienable, then we have devalued all human life.
We might as well leave Homicide up to the Homicidal is not the value system I can support... Until we as a people set a date certain that a fetus becomes a Human Being under the law and continue to prosecute for Homicide those that kill a fetus then we a saying Let the Homicidal decide when to commit a homicide without having to Justify it under the law....
Great post!

“There is no god.”

Since: Jan 12

USA

#86277 Aug 25, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Is 'Yiago' code for dipstick?
If you work a week, and take your paycheck to the bank... they cash it... it is a 'valid/legitimate' check!
If you sit around all week, take your crayolos out, and Draw you a check, take it to the bank, and they call the cops on you...
It was an "Invalid/illigitimate " check!
I hope that cleared up the POINT for you!
Reading comprehension... very important!
Is dipstick like tard, where you are just trying to save his soul or where you being nasty. Just wondering you being a GenuineChristian, one never knows when it is hate or love you peeps are expressing, for instance when I say, blow me, I do not use it for an expression of love it is more like I am saying dumbass which makes people mad when they realize its true, any way just wondering what your veiws are on that tard vs dipstick stuff.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#86278 Aug 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
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So you think anyone that walks into a voting booth should be allowed to vote without any form of identification to verify they are actually allowed to vote?
Do you think the 15 Million the are in the country Illegally should be allowed to vote... Do you think I should be allowed to vote for the guy down the road that is out of town and is not going to vote?
None of which has to do with voter ID. One already must be a citizen and registered.
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#86279 Aug 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
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So you think anyone that walks into a voting booth should be allowed to vote without any form of identification to verify they are actually allowed to vote?
Do you think the 15 Million the are in the country Illegally should be allowed to vote... Do you think I should be allowed to vote for the guy down the road that is out of town and is not going to vote?
"15 Million"
Obama is hoping!
He's pandered to all of the groups...
Except some of the "Smarter" Democrats!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#86280 Aug 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>With that view then every individual convicted of murder for the killing of a fetus should be released from jail or their convictions overturned and retried for assault with bodily injury. The same as if someone kick another and damaged a kidney which had to be removed.

Scott Peterson only committed one murder and should not have been tried for 2...
If the mother plans to have the baby then it should be treated as a person. If she does decides to get an abortion then it is part if her body. The logic is just as simple. The decision rests with the mother and the State cannot interfere.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#86281 Aug 25, 2012
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
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You value your rationality so much.
Please explain to me why you are "of the view that human life has intrinsic value" and why we must not "devalue" human life.
What possible "intrinsic" value is there? We are only clever animals.
Are animals' lives intrinsically valuable also? As valuable as humans?
What would they say if they could speak? "Don't eat me for dinner?"
Since you always deal in evidence and facts, I must say that I am surprised at the statement "what those that can not speak Would say if they could."
Most likely they would say, "Leave me here. It's comfortable. Not like the world outside."
Many animals are more self aware than even new born babies. Self awareness is one way a person may put an idea of intrinsic value on a being.
A fetus is not self aware.
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#86282 Aug 25, 2012
Yiago wrote:
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God, this is a muddy topic, but it's fascinating too.
The problem is in agreeing on a standard. I don't believe in souls therefore it is silly to me to say that an abortion causes any harm to the unborn. Until they have actually developed the ability to be feel and be aware then no harm can possibly be done to them since "they" don't yet exist as a person. But it is hard to pinpoint when that is. Probably impossible.
If you totally ignore the woman as a human being then your logic is good. And the logic of conservatives in general is good. But when you introduce the woman into the equation things become more complicated. You are weighing the rights of an established human being against a potential human being. Complex, muddy issue.
And when the potential mother is also a child I think the problem becomes far more urgent.
I default to the woman since she's here already. If she doesn't want to have a baby then it's her choice.
And to quote that weird guy form the movie "That's all I have to say about that."
"ability to be feel and be aware"
They DO feel early in the Womb!
Search for the video where the baby tries to get away from the murdering bastard that is killing him!
Geesh... you guys just want to hump n dump, and NOT be responsible for your actions of lust!
SICK!
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#86283 Aug 25, 2012
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
You value your rationality so much.
Please explain to me why you are "of the view that human life has intrinsic value" and why we must not "devalue" human life.
What possible "intrinsic" value is there? We are only clever animals.
Are animals' lives intrinsically valuable also? As valuable as humans?
What would they say if they could speak? "Don't eat me for dinner?"
Since you always deal in evidence and facts, I must say that I am surprised at the statement "what those that can not speak Would say if they could."
Most likely they would say, "Leave me here. It's comfortable. Not like the world outside."
"We are only clever animals"
Believe me... you're NOT that clever!

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#86284 Aug 25, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Is 'Yiago' code for dipstick?
If you work a week, and take your paycheck to the bank... they cash it... it is a 'valid/legitimate' check!
If you sit around all week, take your crayolos out, and Draw you a check, take it to the bank, and they call the cops on you...
It was an "Invalid/illigitimate " check!
I hope that cleared up the POINT for you!
Reading comprehension... very important!
Google "valid vs sound". You missed my point.
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#86285 Aug 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
Because I am Human I consider Human Life to have intrinsic value, to have the view that it does not have such is the first step into rationalizing genocide, mass murder as justifiable...
Yes all life has Intrinsic value, from the single cell extremophile in a boiling acid bath to the Clover in the front yard to You and me.. The value we as a species give each of those varies.... But since I am Human I place more value on Human Life than I do a cow... Of course the cow would disagree....
As for the "Leave me here it's comfortable" I agree that Human Being would rather stay there being comfortable until space becomes an issue and it becomes uncomfortable and they decide to leave... I don't think that Human Being would say hey just kill me already...
My point has always been a matter of Logic.. I make my position based on only that... I am an atheist so there is no religious aspect to my view and it's really a simple view... Precedent has been set under the law that a fetus is a Human Being, a Homosapien.... That precedent is set when anyone is prosecuted for killing a fetus and convicted for Homicide (the killing of a Homosapien by another Homosapien)... Since under the law a fetus is a Human Being then to kill it is Homicide by definition and should require that it be Justified under the law... Some forms of homicide are justifiable, some are not... But I don't think the Homicidal should be the ones to make that call...
To allow the homicidal that think human life has no intrinsic value to do the determination of justification is a basis for rationalizing the extermination of masses of human beings... That mindset gave us eugenics, forced sterilizations, genocide and selective breeding programs in history....
Another Great post!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#86286 Aug 25, 2012
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>How about the greek myths... Get rid of it along with the myth of evilution!
Maybe if you allow us to call Christianity 'myth', we could teach it as a historical myth as we do Greek mythology?
Problem is, your people insist we teach the bible as if were not a myth.
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#86287 Aug 25, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>Was not to me, but my answer is NO, if you are not an american citizen you should not have the right to vote.
Good post!
also add pets, and dead people!
LOL
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#86288 Aug 25, 2012
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>That is not a true statement, in fact AA is AGNOSTIC and has the highest success rate of all alcohol programs.
Again you lie and offer nothing but "I said so" to back up your bull
WRONG AGAIN!
Yes and Amen

Clay City, KY

#86289 Aug 25, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
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Next time you talk to god, tell god I can help with the clean up and any new construction, time and material, no deity discounts.
<quoted text>
Only in the church.
Hahaha!
Very funny!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#86292 Aug 25, 2012
LOL in a suit wrote:
<quoted text>But when god kills children it is a sacred death, lol, jesus is the murderer, he controls heaven and earth, I would suggest a less violent deity, "SS" posted the link, good luck.
And when Moses had the babies killed, it was all good then.

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#86293 Aug 25, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>We do have a date, or guideline of when someone gets fourteenth amendment rights. It is when someone is born. The republican agenda is to put the date at moment of conception.
Someone is given All the protections of the Constitution or None... The Constitution Never Gives Rights, It's codifies and protects rights we had all along.... First 3 are preeminent ... Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness... And no where does it suggest, set a date when a zigot becomes a Human Being upon which those protections we as a people have considered important enough to codify.

I could care less what republican, democrat, independent, socialist, marxist, baptist, catholic or wicca agendas are... If it's a Human Being as considered by the Laws of our nation it gets full Constitutional Protections... And until the courts set a date certain from conception to the day of last breath that one becomes a Human Being then Abortion is Homicide.. As such each case would require Justification in court... I have never stated that abortion should not be legal, Only that as long as anyone can be convicted of Murder of a fetus it is by precedent a Human Being and the killing of it is Homicide and under our laws requires justification... Codified Justification... Otherwise we are allowed the homicidal to self justify their own homicides....

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#86294 Aug 25, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>None of which has to do with voter ID. One already must be a citizen and registered.
Of course it has to do with ID.. Without verifiable ID it would be impossible to determine if the person voting is the registered or a citizen...

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

http://www.panoramio.com/user/

#86295 Aug 25, 2012
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Many animals are more self aware than even new born babies. Self awareness is one way a person may put an idea of intrinsic value on a being.
A fetus is not self aware.
So we should be able to kill a 10 year old that has a mental disorder that is not self aware... or the 40 something that is delusional and unaware of the outside world... And where are the studies that give evidence that a fetus in the 2nd trimester is Not self aware... Since I have seen videos of 2nd trimester fetuses masturbating and reacting to music and voices I would submit it as evidence to being self aware..
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#86296 Aug 25, 2012
Quantummist wrote:
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Of course it has to do with ID.. Without verifiable ID it would be impossible to determine if the person voting is the registered or a citizen...
what if the person has voted in that precinct before, and has lived in the area for a long time, and is known to the poll watchers. fake ID is easier to get than recognition of a longtime fellow resident. you are an apologist for the GOP now, too bad - but you still are civil and within the realm of rational discussion. WhenI call you nuts at times, it is a friendly casual nuts, and not a personal statement of hostility - I trust you know that many of your sort of friends on here will dispute with you on politics and still have regard for you, where you are interesting and not biased, and civil and intelligent in your wording at least. me included. though of course I do think you are very mistaken politically, on many matters. voter suppression is the name of the game for GOP partisans.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#86297 Aug 25, 2012
Are You Kidding wrote:
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Did you ever consider that those who have a faith most definitely did "think" and chose to obey based on their beliefs?
some do and some don't - think. some were indoctrinated before the age of rational thought, and what you call thinking is called rationalization - of their emotional attachment to what their parents indoctrinated them with.

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