SC Episcopalians to distance from national church

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Max wrote:

Anyone who believes in the Biblical Faith MUST distance themselves from ECUSA.

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Wilhelm wrote:

<quoted text>The Bible repeatedly commmands against all homosexual acts.

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MiddleWay wrote:

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And what is Biblical faith?
Believing the earth is square and fixed?
Let's start with that WILLI..........

Vito wrote:

I find it amusing how liberals like to pick and choose what it wants to follow out of the Bible. Gays can try to intellectualize all they want. However, that doesn't change the fact the homosexuality is condemed everywhere it is mentioned in the Bible.

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JohnInToronto wrote:

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Did it occur to you that not everyone and certainly not all homosexuals are not interested in your bible and don't believe in it? Do you think all gay people are Christians?

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Vito wrote:

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The reason most gays don't believe in the Bible is because it's much easier for them to dismiss it. That way they can engage in all the bad behavior they want to without having to worry about consequences.
Whether Christian or not homosexuality is an unnatural behavioral choice.

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RevKen wrote:

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Dear Vito,
I take it that you are not homosexual, nor do you desire to become a homosexual.
Homosexuals, whether gay or lesbian, and bisexuals, comprise no more than a total of about 3% of the entire human race.
For a moment, put aside your personal feelings about homosexuals. Also, put aside everything you have been taught and told by others about homosexuality, including everything you have ever read or been shown in Holy Scripture about any sort of sexual behavior or the reason for it. Just put it all aside for a moment, for the sake of conversation.
Now, ask yourself one question: Why would anyone consciously choose to engage in sex with another of the same sex?
Assuming you are as I am, a heterosexual, can you conceive of any situation in which you would choose to engage in homosexual behavior - without being forced through duress or threat? I don't know about you. But, I know that I would not, regardless of anything I've ever read or been told.
Unless I was born a Samoan, which I was not, where homosexual behavior is inculcated in the male tribal society from infancy and then permanently disposed of upon marriage, I can imagine no situation in which I might ever personally choose to engage in homosexual desire that leads to sex. Nope. Not about to do it.
Putting all outside influence aside, why do you think that children understand themselves to be homosexual or heterosexual from, essentially, birth? I have understood this to be true of myself. Started kissing girls in kindergarten. Still kissing girls - although the scope of my behavior has been purposely limited by my marriage.
Why, Vito, do some people become homosexuals?
KGC

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Vito wrote:

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Good question. I also have a good answer. First off let me say homosexuals should be loved and respected as anyone else should be. I believe the feelings homosexuals have for the same sex are real. However, they are dangerously misguided.
As of now there is no credible peer reviewed studies that would indicate someone is born gay. I know many medical professionals are exploring a gene that would be a link to homosexual behavior. Maybe some day that would be confirmed. Many gays have been led into homosexual behavior through bad relationships with members of the opposite sex. There are environmental reasons as well.
For the sake of argument let's say that it is proven that some people are born gay. Would that make it right? Many people are born with a proclivity towards alcoholism, violence and obesity. Are those normal behaviors? Would you advise and alcoholic to be true to him/her self and continue to drink?
There are many facotrs that could lead someone into that lifestyle choice. That doesn't make it a normal behavior. For the Episcopalian Church to preach otherwise is a disgrace.

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Vito wrote:

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...As of now there is no credible peer reviewed studies that would indicate someone is born gay...

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Vito wrote:

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The reason most gays don't believe in the Bible is because it's much easier for them to dismiss it. That way they can engage in all the bad behavior they want to without having to worry about consequences.
Whether Christian or not homosexuality is an unnatural behavioral choice.

Vito wrote:

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The reason most gays don't believe in the Bible is because it's much easier for them to dismiss it. That way they can engage in all the bad behavior they want to without having to worry about consequences.
Whether Christian or not homosexuality is an unnatural behavioral choice.

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RevKen wrote:

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Look, Vito.
You hail from an area of the country that is populated with people who maintain a very strong and fundamental belief in the literal truth of Holy Scripture. Many from your area believe that homosexual relationships are a sinful behavior.
I understand your choice of perspectives toward homosexuality. But, from my perspective, I believe almost all homosexuals understand themselves to be so long before they reach puberty and begin the trek toward physically acting out their sexual understanding of themselves.
They are children when they first begin to understand themselves. I am a heterosexual and I truly recall my childhood. I never was attracted to anyone of my sex.
Now, you can say that there are no studies about homosexuality that prove anything. But, the preponderance of clinical psychological and psychiatric evidence shows that there are definite causes for homosexual orientation that are built into the individual long before the age of reason and long before the age of action based upon a sexual choosing.
What's more, that preponderance is not being reduced or countered by legitimate studies that show homosexuality is a conscious choice made by the individual. Neither do heterosexuals simply wake up on a Tuesday morning and decide to go down to the locker room at the YMCA and seek a same-sex partner to sit with in the hot tub. Just doesn't happen.
So, what we are left with is either a serious and introspective review of our understandings and acceptances of what we have been taught, including the distinct probability that we do not understand why homosexuals exist, or, we ignore all the recently revealing data that has now served to lead us out of the wilderness of bigotry passed on from generation to generation through countless centuries.
You gotta make the choice, Vito.
You can stay with the ages-old understanding and you will have plenty of company. Or, you can step forward and take hold of the teachings of Christ Jesus and insist that these children are to be fully accepted and led into the presence of the Lord without any prejudice.
But, one thing is becoming very well understood about these few people in our midst. Their sexuality is neither a matter of "lifestyle" or "choice."
They simply are who they are. Furthermore, most of them are just plain good people, just like you and me, looking to make a decent and responsible contribution to the human race with their own lives.
KGC

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JohnInToronto wrote:

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According to whom? Religious tracts and not those from every religion - Hinduism says nothing about it for example.
You listen to religion and I will listen to science. End of conversation.

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Resist Ignorance wrote:

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As of now you are guilty of plagiarism. Your quote (above) is the signature tag line of our very own beloved troll known alternately as Wilhelm from Karlsruhe, Germany/ Max from Amen, France and Wil/Beah/Lance from Pekin, IL.(Unless of course you really are him and just forgot to change your name).
No peer reviewed studies? Check with the:
American Medical Association, the American Psychological Association, the American Psychiatric Association, the American Association of Pediatricians, the World Health Organization and every other medical and scientific organization in the world. They ALL are on record stating that homosexuality is innate and immutable.
Tell me, how many PhDs did you have on your staff to determine that homosexuality was a choice? It must have cost you a bundle!

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MiddleWay wrote:

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No it's not and it's not against the Bible.
Now, shall we teak about OTHER behavior that is spelled out in the Bible, show as love your enemies and do not judge?
Those are harded than blind hate and I don't think you have the guts to follow Jesus.........