Are we headed for a full blown race war?

I have noticed that there have been a lot of these so called youth mob attacks lately. I find it rather disturbing that neither Obama or the Black leadership is trying to calm things down. As we get closer to summer with all the kids getting out of school I can't help but to think that things are going to get a lot worse...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/05/14/new-...

Seems no one has said anything about this either

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/08/...

Keep race baiting.

It's not a race war yet!,it's just a one sided gorilla war right now, with Blacks attacking whites....and have been since the sixties.Either whitey is too cowardly to admit it, or blind.And we know that the media is only interrested ,when a white or near white person does anything to a black person.Then here come the justice brothers and the leftist news media to stir up the situation.While we (white folks)are called;"crackers,that blacks are not safe (which is a lie)because if things were so bad,you wouldn't see a white woman walking down the street with a blackman etc.But during the trayvon situation with all the B/S slinging, you would think from some of the crap that Al Sharpton slung ,black children were getting killed all over America on a daily basis by racist whites.Go into any city or town in America catch a cab and ask the cabbie where not to go!,and it's always the BLACK PART of town or that side of the City....Why is that?The war has already started folks,it began back during the civil rights show down way back in the sixties.Whitey blinked,met the looters and muggers,thieves with guilt instead of LEAD......TEAR GAS AND DOGS ONLY HURT FOR ALITTLE WHILE,LEAD IS FOR EVER..........Lock and load,I'm telling you......That situation with Trayvon is just the tip of the iceberg.......

Jerseyboy for life wrote:

It's not a race war yet!,it's just a one sided gorilla war right now, with Blacks attacking whites....and have been since the sixties.Either whitey is too cowardly to admit it, or blind.And we know that the media is only interrested ,when a white or near white person does anything to a black person.Then here come the justice brothers and the leftist news media to stir up the situation.While we (white folks)are called;"crackers,that blacks are not safe (which is a lie)because if things were so bad,you wouldn't see a white woman walking down the street with a blackman etc.But during the trayvon situation with all the B/S slinging, you would think from some of the crap that Al Sharpton slung ,black children were getting killed all over America on a daily basis by racist whites.Go into any city or town in America catch a cab and ask the cabbie where not to go!,and it's always the BLACK PART of town or that side of the City....Why is that?The war has already started folks,it began back during the civil rights show down way back in the sixties.Whitey blinked,met the looters and muggers,thieves with guilt instead of LEAD......TEAR GAS AND DOGS ONLY HURT FOR ALITTLE WHILE,LEAD IS FOR EVER..........Lock and load,I'm telling you......That situation with Trayvon is just the tip of the iceberg.......

Perhaps we should take a look into some of the trends in these "bad" parts of towns... Typically, yes, they are the parts of town where there are more people of color, black, latino, etc... but they are also the parts of town with the most people living below poverty lines, surviving on welfare, homeless, etc. Studies have shown that it is MORE so a socioeconomic situation that influences what is a good and bad part of town, and that it's relation to race is ONLY that largely due to influences of history, the different American cultures, and the slowness of change, these poorer people are usually not white. Trust me, even in places that may only have one race, there will still be a "good" and "bad" part of town. Now there are also studies that support your view a bit more two, saying that people of color only remain poorer because of the culture, and behaviors and bad habits generally attributed to them, but even at that they still agree that the parts of town with more people living under poverty lines are generally called the "bad" part of town. Let's face it, people get pretty low and desperate when it comes to money.

Here are some articles I've had bookmarked since I had to write a paper on the affects of socioeconomic status on academic achievement.

http://soar.wichita.edu/dspace/bitstream/hand...

http://www.apa.org/pi/ses/resources/publicati...

http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/3515987...

And here is one more source I looked up on the affects SES has on towns. This was the best I found on the first search, but I'm sure if I narrowed the search down more and checked a more suitable article search engine, then I'd find better. Although I think this is pretty good as well.

http://www.ecologyandsociety.org/vol10/iss1/a...

My main point is, even if you had some kind of all white utopia of sorts, there would still be a bad part of town, because there will still be people living under the poverty line, surviving on welfare, and, in the nicest terms possible, short on cash.

I have read the links and it is no secret that there is a link between crime and poverty.
But lets talk about poverty shall we? After all it is what causes a great deal of the crime in America right? So just what makes people poor? While each person has a different reason,there is an all to common link amongst many poor children.
And that is being raised by a single mother.
50% of Black children living in a household with only the mother present lived in poverty.
Black children in a 2 parent household had a poverty rate of 11%.
Among White children with only the mother present the poverty rate was 32%. With both parents present it is 4.7%.
So a Black child in a 2 parent household is less likely to live in poverty than a White child living only with the mother.

http://www.childtrends.org/files/child_trends...

With something like 70% of all Black babies born to single mothers is it a great surprise to anyone that many Black children grow up in poverty and suffer all the affects that poverty brings?
http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/pdf/75_PDF...

The Man wrote:

I have read the links and it is no secret that there is a link between crime and poverty.
But lets talk about poverty shall we? After all it is what causes a great deal of the crime in America right? So just what makes people poor? While each person has a different reason,there is an all to common link amongst many poor children.
And that is being raised by a single mother.
50% of Black children living in a household with only the mother present lived in poverty.
Black children in a 2 parent household had a poverty rate of 11%.
Among White children with only the mother present the poverty rate was 32%. With both parents present it is 4.7%.
So a Black child in a 2 parent household is less likely to live in poverty than a White child living only with the mother.
http://www.childtrends.org/files/child_trends...
With something like 70% of all Black babies born to single mothers is it a great surprise to anyone that many Black children grow up in poverty and suffer all the affects that poverty brings?
http://www.childtrendsdatabank.org/pdf/75_PDF...

Yeah, I agree. I mean there are all kinds of reasons for about 35% of black people in the US to be living under the poverty line. I think I said it earlier. That there are studies showing that the history, culture, and different social factors affecting them cause people to fall into and struggle with poverty. Single Parent households, being FAR more common in the black community, is a big part of it. And unfortunately it affects the kids a lot in ways that make them more likely to put themselves in the same situation of raising a child alone. It's really saddening.

When i think about it, I really lucked out. I have both of my parents. My dad's parents were separated even to the point that when they immigrated from Jamaica, my grandpa moved to Canada while Grandma brought my dad an uncle to New York and raised them herself. Perhaps its because the separation happened later in my dad's childhood. He was already 14 when it all happened. Whatever the reason is, he stayed after knocking my mom, who was raising my older sister alone after her first husband died of a heart attack, up those 22 years ago. We now live a moderately comfortable middle class lifestyle.:3 Of all of my friends growing up, I was one of like 2 or 3 kids growing up with both parents present, and no drama, like one of them being a step parent that doesn't quite acknowledge me, or something. Even more uncommon, my sister had no problems accepting my dad as her new dad, probably because she was only 9 at the time. Heck I didn't even find out we were only half siblings until I was about 7. You really couldn't tell by looking at my family. Yeah... I'm super lucky.

So much of Black poverty is "self inflicted right?"

The Man wrote:

So much of Black poverty is "self inflicted right?"

Not all of it... I'd say it's about 50-50... but that's just from what I've seen. It's certainly a problem.

The VA GOP is demanding an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected.

So all of you wackos go out and vote for Obama.

WDRussell wrote:

The VA GOP is demanding an armed insurrection if Obama is re-elected.
So all of you wackos go out and vote for Obama.

ugh they are? Now what is THAT supposed to accomplish?

Haruko57 wrote:

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Not all of it... I'd say it's about 50-50... but that's just from what I've seen. It's certainly a problem.

So if 50% of Black poverty is self induced what are the causes of the rest?

The Man wrote:

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So if 50% of Black poverty is self induced what are the causes of the rest?

Like I said, history. For example,this one family I know. The guy's grandparents never finished school and had to go to work to help support their families, his parents at least finished high school but they had the same situation, also his dad died in a car accident and his mom pretty much raised him and his sister herself working 2 jobs at different department stores. They've been right on the poverty line the whole time but they lived respectably. Due to concerns with money, he began working part time in high school and through his work experiences even managed to find steady work after graduating high school. Due to the limitations throughout the history of his family, none of them have been able to go to college. His grandparents didn't even get GED, his parentst couldn't afford to send him, and (in almost textbook manner as in the links I posted) his grades weren't good enough for scholarships, and it seems credit scores and the like blocked him from getting enough loans to go to school. Still, each generation DID do slightly better than the last. He's doing fairly well, and while he may likely never go to college, the child or two between him and his fiance surely will, assuming nothing goes wrong, and his most recent raise just put his income over the poverty line. His mom is retiring soon since she finally fully owns her small townhouse and her two children are fully grown. He's currently renting and apartment, and along with his fiance, they should be able to find a cheap house or a larger apartment fit for newlyweds and start planning finances for a child. Assuming things go as planned, he won't be falling into poverty again. However, it took 3 generations for his family to get out of poverty. I can't say for sure how the poverty started in his family history, but chances are it's the same basic story of pre-civil-rights lack of opportunity, unequal education, etc. and that such.

Essentially, what I've seen is half of people going into or staying in poverty due to behavior and poor decisions, and occasionally uncontrollable situations, such as a parent dying and cutting the income and such, and half working their way out from a history of poverty in the family by learning what decisions should be made in their financial situations. Education helps too, since degrees almost guarantee higher pay, IF you can land the job, but some can't afford it, don't have the resources... and some Do have the resources, but don't realize it.

However, I'm not an expert. These are just observations of what I've seen personally, and the bit I researched which is only a SMALL portion of the issue. If you REALLY wanna know for sure about these thing, research is best. I recommend Jstor and Academic Search Premier, they have pdfs of a LOT of research articles and essays that have been feetured in magazines, papers, books, and more, so they provide very credible sources.

What causes so much white poverty? Is it self inflicted?

enemy combatant wrote:

What causes so much white poverty? Is it self inflicted?

Given the fact that the Black poverty rate is more than double the White poverty rate it is a question that begs an answer.

http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparebar.js...

enemy combatant wrote:

What causes so much white poverty? Is it self inflicted?

Same as with black poverty as far as today is concerned. If you wanna consider the lack of some of the inconveniences set by the history of slavery and then unequal rights, you may, but I think after 50 years, it'd be nice to try to move on from that.

Actually, by shear numbers there are more white people living under the poverty line than any one of the the other races in this country. However that's only about 15% of white people as opposed to about 35% of black people and latinos.

The Man wrote:

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Given the fact that the Black poverty rate is more than double the White poverty rate it is a question that begs an answer.
http://www.statehealthfacts.org/comparebar.js...

But since there are so many more white people the percentage really isn't the point. Why are so many millions of white people in poverty?
The answer isn't a higher percentage of blacks are in poverty.
According to the 2010 census 8.4 million white children living in poverty and 4.0 million black children living in poverty.
So why are twice as many white kids living in poverty? Is it self inflicted?

http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/acsbr10-0...

Nice try with the "fuzzy math." But only the very naive would buy that crock.

The Man wrote:

Nice try with the "fuzzy math." But only the very naive would buy that crock.

Wait... did you just call the numbers presented by the Census Bureau a "crock"? I mean... sure government can lie about some things, and yes these numbers are not 100% accurate as the Census tends to miss or ignore the homeless, which would account for a small percentage, but this? a crock? That would be truly saddening, especially as my dad volunteers for the census to go around our neighborhood and take the count for them every few years, believing that the reports would stay as truthful as possible. Besides, the source you sited is based on the information given by the Census Bureau as well... So I think I'm just misunderstanding you.

Well, if you wanna do the math yourself. Here. You know the percentages do that math yourself if you want. I did it too.

number of white people under the poverty line: approximately 31297457
Black: approximately 14014555
Latino/Hispanic: approximately 17667158

Yes I used approximations, just as approximations were used on those percentages. I wasn't gonna say there was an .84 of a white person under the poverty line, I just rounded accordingly.

http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableserv...

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0762156.html

Now that I think of it those numbers are REALLY saddening! That's just over 20% of the US Population? and that's when concerning ourselves with about 92.2% of us. They're still a few thousands more people to consider in this as well... That's SO sad...

The Man wrote:

Nice try with the "fuzzy math." But only the very naive would buy that crock.

The "fuzzy math" comes from the census. It's funny you only want to use percentages but raw numbers is " fuzzy math". I see still no answer. Why are so many whites living in poverty? Is it self inflicted?

Oh I get it you can only ask those questions about black people in order to perpetuate a stereotype