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So what next? If you are wealthy you owe the poor? Sounds like income redistributin to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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The Man wrote:
So what next? If you are wealthy you owe the poor? Sounds like income redistributin to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
This is the latest in the "stupid war" being waged by Osama and the left.
This is patently idiotic and goes against all rational thinkg- this is the socialist party line (ie:Demos).

This is more class warfare by the lightweight thinkers

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The Man wrote:
So what next? If you are wealthy you owe the poor? Sounds like income redistributin to me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch...
I don't get it... What was wrong with what he said? Wasn't he just saying that very few, if any at all have become successful these days without support from others in one way or another? In other words, wouldn't said successful people like to be the source of some of the same kind of support for a possible new generation of wealth and success to also rise in due time? Seems to me he's taking the idea from the actions of our government during Clinton's term, which might I add wasn't 100% his doing, that helped to bring us to the pleasant surplus we had at the time... I'm all for being critical of government plans and actions. After all, there's likely a multitude of things that could go wrong, but to just call it "income redistribution" beyond what the current taxes already are just feels overly paranoid. It's not like he's telling the wealthy to give up all of their riches so the poor can get a free ride. As far as I can tell it's mainly just a cut in the tax cuts and perhaps some kind of redistribution of the tax brackets, in order to attempt to better fund the governments functions, which DO include programs benefiting the poor, but that's not supposed to be the main focus... Of course Obama will try to occasionally point stuff like that out, but that's because he's a politician trying to appeal to his demographic, which obviously is mostly middle and working class. Also they've been trying to reorganize budgets and stuff too, but no one seems to be able to come to a proper agreement as far as how to do that. I'm no good at finances though... I'm just you're average penny-pincher lol so pertaining to whether or not this plan will work as well now as it did during Clinton's term, I'm at a TOTAL loss, but I guess if it worked last time, it COULD work again... maybe... Personally I still have my doubts, but what do I know... XD
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Haruko57 wrote:
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I don't get it... What was wrong with what he said? Wasn't he just saying that very few, if any at all have become successful these days without support from others in one way or another? In other words, wouldn't said successful people like to be the source of some of the same kind of support for a possible new generation of wealth and success to also rise in due time? Seems to me he's taking the idea from the actions of our government during Clinton's term, which might I add wasn't 100% his doing, that helped to bring us to the pleasant surplus we had at the time... I'm all for being critical of government plans and actions. After all, there's likely a multitude of things that could go wrong, but to just call it "income redistribution" beyond what the current taxes already are just feels overly paranoid. It's not like he's telling the wealthy to give up all of their riches so the poor can get a free ride. As far as I can tell it's mainly just a cut in the tax cuts and perhaps some kind of redistribution of the tax brackets, in order to attempt to better fund the governments functions, which DO include programs benefiting the poor, but that's not supposed to be the main focus... Of course Obama will try to occasionally point stuff like that out, but that's because he's a politician trying to appeal to his demographic, which obviously is mostly middle and working class. Also they've been trying to reorganize budgets and stuff too, but no one seems to be able to come to a proper agreement as far as how to do that. I'm no good at finances though... I'm just you're average penny-pincher lol so pertaining to whether or not this plan will work as well now as it did during Clinton's term, I'm at a TOTAL loss, but I guess if it worked last time, it COULD work again... maybe... Personally I still have my doubts, but what do I know... XD
You miss the entire snarkiness of what he is saying- which is that nobody can make it without massive help from the government- none of us can do it without the government's help

BS

This is the claptrap coming out of the socialists these days

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Get out and vote for Mr. Obama!!!! We need four more years of this brilliant man!!!
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So if you work hard,get an education,take risks wih the money you earned and saved you owe somebody?
I don't think so. This is just more dribble fom the left to further the socialist agenda.
Mr. Obama please don't villify these people. They pay taxes and create jobs. Unlike those who drop out of school and make poor life decisions that adversly impact their future.

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The Man wrote:
So if you work hard,get an education,take risks wih the money you earned and saved you owe somebody?
I don't think so. This is just more dribble fom the left to further the socialist agenda.
Mr. Obama please don't villify these people. They pay taxes and create jobs. Unlike those who drop out of school and make poor life decisions that adversly impact their future.
So you say get an education and in the video he says "that teacher". Oh I guess you mean self education. He simply said no one makes it on their own. Mitt Romney pays a lower tax rate than I do doesn't seem right. Job creator lol his accounts are parked off shore collecting interest and getting sheltered from taxes..
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Perhaps an anolgy is in order to enable those who just don't get it understand.
Lets say on Holloween I greet children knocking on my door wearing an Obama mask and carrying a scale. I weigh each bag of treats then collect 20% by weight but 30% by weight of the heaviest bag of treats. Then I take the purloined booty and give it to the kids to lazy to trick or treat.

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To suggest that all billionaires/millionares are "job creators." Meanwhile, statistical data (and reality) show that those people are the exception rather than the rule. In other words, most billionaires do not create jobs. The evidence is plainly there to see. They create algorithms to manipulate economic theory. They are investment bankers, asset managers, hedge fund managers, private equity executives, etc. They don't make anything. Least of all jobs.
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MizzLopez wrote:
To suggest that all billionaires/millionares are "job creators." Meanwhile, statistical data (and reality) show that those people are the exception rather than the rule. In other words, most billionaires do not create jobs. The evidence is plainly there to see. They create algorithms to manipulate economic theory. They are investment bankers, asset managers, hedge fund managers, private equity executives, etc. They don't make anything. Least of all jobs.
And just were can you get the facts to back up such a misguided statement? Hedge funds,private equity firms and yes big evil capitalist banks all create jobs. They provide both the money and expertise to build companies and expand them. Perhaps it is the capitalist system itself you despise? Fine,go live in Cuba,they have free healthcare too courtesy of the local witch doctor.

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The Man wrote:
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And just were can you get the facts to back up such a misguided statement? Hedge funds,private equity firms and yes big evil capitalist banks all create jobs. They provide both the money and expertise to build companies and expand them. Perhaps it is the capitalist system itself you despise? Fine,go live in Cuba,they have free healthcare too courtesy of the local witch doctor.
http://mndem.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/biggest...

http://blogs.wsj.com/wealth/2011/12/01/tech-m...

http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20120713/OPI...

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Eastseminole wrote:
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You miss the entire snarkiness of what he is saying- which is that nobody can make it without massive help from the government- none of us can do it without the government's help
BS
This is the claptrap coming out of the socialists these days
Is that what he said? Sorry I tend to take most words at face value, since it's hard to tell what most people are really thinking these days, so I didn't really notice any "snarky" undertones. He never directly said that none of us can make it without government aide... because there are certainly a few who can reach success through the aide of other sources... and small advantages... and lucky breaks and etc. I think of it this way: no truly successful business is built on the back of a single man... that man may have gotten the ball rolling and then lead the charge once forces were accrued, but at some point he would have needed that small loan from a friend, or that buddy he can trust as a partner, or that lucky break from a somewhat wealthy and/or extremely supportive client or group of clients that helped his business make the jump from "little-known local" to "up and rising". I would think a business built solely on one man's strength would eventually break the man before crumbling... How does the saying go? "No one man is an island" or something along those lines. It really does just sound to me like he's just taking the idea from what was done during the Clinton admin and hoping it'll help dig us out of this ditch we've found ourselves in. After all Clinton's term DID end with a surplus... SOMETHING must've been done right somewhere during that time... Can't say for sure if it'd work out like that THIS time around though.
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enemy combatant wrote:
Just how "dense" can one be?
O.K. just how many jobs have poor people created then?
Who would you have rather worked for Henry Ford or a corner grocer?
Big business is what creates wealth and good paying jobs in this country. And yes the founders of thse businesses are wealthy. Why do you thin they start and grow these businesses?

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MizzLopez wrote:
To suggest that all billionaires/millionares are "job creators." Meanwhile, statistical data (and reality) show that those people are the exception rather than the rule. In other words, most billionaires do not create jobs. The evidence is plainly there to see. They create algorithms to manipulate economic theory. They are investment bankers, asset managers, hedge fund managers, private equity executives, etc. They don't make anything. Least of all jobs.
Why did people start calling them "Job Creators" anyway? I never really understood that.
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enemy combatant wrote:
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So you say get an education and in the video he says "that teacher". Oh I guess you mean self education. He simply said no one makes it on their own. Mitt Romney pays a lower tax rate than I do doesn't seem right. Job creator lol his accounts are parked off shore collecting interest and getting sheltered from taxes..
Hey, Mr. Combatant- Osama had total control of government for 2 years- TOTAL CONTROL- why did he not change the tax code then? It would have been simple to do.

And people do create businesses and jobs on their own-IT DOES NOT TAKE GOVERNMENT TO DO THAT-

Romney pays exactly wha tthe tax code says he should pay.

Are you so dumb that you think he should pay more? If so, why don't you make a voluntary tax payment?
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Haruko57 wrote:
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Is that what he said? Sorry I tend to take most words at face value, since it's hard to tell what most people are really thinking these days, so I didn't really notice any "snarky" undertones. He never directly said that none of us can make it without government aide... because there are certainly a few who can reach success through the aide of other sources... and small advantages... and lucky breaks and etc. I think of it this way: no truly successful business is built on the back of a single man... that man may have gotten the ball rolling and then lead the charge once forces were accrued, but at some point he would have needed that small loan from a friend, or that buddy he can trust as a partner, or that lucky break from a somewhat wealthy and/or extremely supportive client or group of clients that helped his business make the jump from "little-known local" to "up and rising". I would think a business built solely on one man's strength would eventually break the man before crumbling... How does the saying go? "No one man is an island" or something along those lines. It really does just sound to me like he's just taking the idea from what was done during the Clinton admin and hoping it'll help dig us out of this ditch we've found ourselves in. After all Clinton's term DID end with a surplus... SOMETHING must've been done right somewhere during that time... Can't say for sure if it'd work out like that THIS time around though.
He absolutely said that no one can make by themselves- maybe he can't, but the rest of us can
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Just more of the Nanny state you need us to survive mentality.

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Eastseminole wrote:
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He absolutely said that no one can make by themselves- maybe he can't, but the rest of us can
Yeah... that's what I said... I was agreeing that no one can achieve full success in a business without SOME manner of support somewhere, from friends, partners, loyal clients, and other sources... but at no point did he specifically say that no one can make it without GOVERNMENT aide... he'd just like to offer it and create a sort of cycle that MAY help our economy in some small way. Did I mistype it or something? I thought I was clear. Did i misunderstand the earlier comment maybe? I thought he was being accused of saying that we can't make it to true success without help from the government, when he never specifically said that. I'm getting confused now... did I misunderstand something earlier, or was I not clear enough in my comment?

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Eastseminole wrote:
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Hey, Mr. Combatant- Osama had total control of government for 2 years- TOTAL CONTROL- why did he not change the tax code then? It would have been simple to do.
And people do create businesses and jobs on their own-IT DOES NOT TAKE GOVERNMENT TO DO THAT-
Romney pays exactly wha tthe tax code says he should pay.
Are you so dumb that you think he should pay more? If so, why don't you make a voluntary tax payment?
Obama had "total control" of the government for only a couple of months. Nothing gets done in the senate without 60 votes now. Franken got seated late and Ted Kennedy died. Still the republicans we're able to stop votes on over 372 bills in the senate during pelosis term as speaker in the house. And I'd hate to break it to you but just having a (D) in now way mean a yes or no vote on any particular bill. We don't walk so lock step like republicans do.

First one from 2 years ago second is update

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/83057-290-...

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/122681-f...

During times of economic hardship our government has learned that is when it's time to create jobs through the government. FDR tried austerity first that coused a double dip. He increased government jobs and/or government funded projects, just like Reagan did. But now it's Obama and government jobs have declined. That is what is holding back the economy from really moving swift. We gained private sector jobs for some 28 or so months in a row but we keep cutting government jobs so net gain is stagnant.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/state...

Are you so dumb to believe if you make money from sweat you should pay higher taxes than if you make money from money?
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Haruko57 wrote:
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Yeah... that's what I said... I was agreeing that no one can achieve full success in a business without SOME manner of support somewhere, from friends, partners, loyal clients, and other sources... but at no point did he specifically say that no one can make it without GOVERNMENT aide... he'd just like to offer it and create a sort of cycle that MAY help our economy in some small way. Did I mistype it or something? I thought I was clear. Did i misunderstand the earlier comment maybe? I thought he was being accused of saying that we can't make it to true success without help from the government, when he never specifically said that. I'm getting confused now... did I misunderstand something earlier, or was I not clear enough in my comment?
That is what he implied and you darn well know it- he is a socialist, and believes the government (specifically him) is a lot smarter than you and I- and therefore none of cn make it without his help.

He said exactly what he said- all of us stupid people are beholden to him and the bureaucracy.

You know exactly what he said, and so does everyone else- quit trying your left-wing spin here- it does not work

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