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many

Johnson City, TN

#1 Jul 7, 2012
ObamaCare Lies, Vol. 1

A MUST READ 100$

Claim: ObamaCare will not lead to the taxation of an employer’s health care benefits.

Fact:“These changes include a new excise tax on the highest-cost insurance plans....” Peter Orszag, former Obama administration Budget Director in his final memo before leaving the administration. In fact, the law includes, starting in 2018, a 40 percent tax on so-called Cadillac policies, costing more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.– Source: Wall Street Journal, Oct. 16, 2010.

Claim: ObamaCare will not lead to rationing of health care services.

Fact: The Medicus Firm, a medical recruitment company, conducted a survey that found that 46 percent of physicians said they would quit or retire if the bill became law. The survey noted that even a 10 percent decline in practicing doctors over several years would be severely diminish the quality of the health care system because a 20-percent increase in doctors is needed to keep up with projected demand.– Source: The Washington Examiner, March 23, 2010.

Claim: ObamaCare will lower insurance premium costs.

Fact: ObamaCare also includes a $60.1 billion excise tax on the insurance industry, which will be passed through to consumers as higher premiums.– Source: Wall Street Journal, Oct. 16, 2010.

Claim: There will be more Medicare Advantage plans and options from which to choose.

Fact: Insurers are cutting their Medicare Advantage offerings, while others are exiting from the Medicare market entirely. Rick Foster, Medicare’s chief actuary wrote that Medicare under ObamaCare, will offer “less generous benefit packages” and “a large increase in the out-of-pocket costs incurred by MA enrollees.”– Source: Wall Street Journal, Oct. 16, 2010.

Claim: ObamaCare will provide coverage to all people who do not have it.

Fact: According to the Congressional Budget Office, 10 years from now at least 21 million Americans will remain uninsured. Not only that, but almost one-half of the newly covered won’t get access to true health insurance; instead, they will be added to the Medicaid program, adding to its already overburdened problems of access and quality.
- Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.

Claim: ObamaCare will not result in reduced medical resources and capacity.

Fact: The RAND Corporation reports that the new law may result in severe overcrowding and longer waits in emergency rooms and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services warn that some of the mandated cuts in Medicare could result in the closing of up to 15 percent of U.S. hospitals.– Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.

Claim: ObamaCare will reduce costs to the individual.

Fact: The administration’s own chief health-care actuary reported that the law will raise U.S. health-care spending by $311 billion over 10 years.– Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.

Claim: ObamaCare will not shift costs or add costs to businesses, state governments or individuals.

Fact: More than $4.3 trillion in costs will shift to businesses, individuals and state governments.– Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.

Claim: ObamaCare will bring down insurance premiums.

Fact: Even the cynic might say this is correct because the government will regulate prices. But the Congressional Budget Office reports that says that premiums will double over the next six years, roughly the same rate of increase as would have occurred without ObamaCare. According to RAND, even young and healthy Americans could see premiums rise 17 percent, while the CBO says the self-employed, who buy their own health insurance, could see their premiums rise 13 percent faster than if there was no ObamaCare at all.– Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.

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tater

Jefferson City, TN

#2 Jul 7, 2012
Of course you know that the progressives don't believe this don't you?
LOL

Enfield, CT

#3 Jul 7, 2012
But you Right Wingers do? Just more BS from RW web sites.
You lie like obama

United States

#4 Jul 7, 2012
LOL wrote:
But you Right Wingers do? Just more BS from RW web sites.
Is that all you got? Show and tell time liberal progressives?
Just Saying

Morristown, TN

#5 Jul 7, 2012
You lie like obama wrote:
<quoted text>
Is that all you got? Show and tell time liberal progressives?
You show me yours first, then I'll show you mine........tater your age is showing and it isn't a pretty sight. Someone just jump started a real discussion on another site, even naming you as being a worthy sparring partner and now you again have to start with the name calling and smart remarks.....Your brand of conservative is not about morals or even real fiscal issues, yours is based on your own failures which has become evident from your many posts. You have never given any solutions, just grumbling, blaming and complaining.

Since: Oct 08

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#6 Jul 7, 2012
tater wrote:
Of course you know that the progressives don't believe this don't you?
No, we really don't, although SOME of it might actually be partially true. Right now, though, I'm laughing out loud at the very idea that many is worried he is going to have to pay a tax on his "Cadillac" insurance plan. Do they have a Yugo plan? LOL
tater

Jefferson City, TN

#7 Jul 8, 2012
Just as long as you find someone to tax your fine.

Urp

“A Pigment of Imagination”

Since: Feb 11

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#8 Jul 8, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
<quoted text>
No, we really don't, although SOME of it might actually be partially true. Right now, though, I'm laughing out loud at the very idea that many is worried he is going to have to pay a tax on his "Cadillac" insurance plan. Do they have a Yugo plan? LOL
Exactly what is a "Cadillac" insurance plan anyway?

Insurance rebate checks should start coming this month. This should be interesting

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#9 Jul 8, 2012
Urp wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly what is a "Cadillac" insurance plan anyway?
Insurance rebate checks should start coming this month. This should be interesting
I don't know, but according to the article, they cost more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families. I'm guessing those premiums are not paid by the employees, but I could be wrong. Cadillac plans usually have low deductibles and really good benefits.

I just read this article about Cadillac plans, and I am not sure this is a good thing, but I think it is because it COULD encourage insurers to lower the premium prices rather than pay the tax...which will be levied on the insurers, not the insured. It also says that some groups will have higher thresholds and that some businesses will respond by having lower premiums and higher deductibles, which is a good thing if you are young and healthy.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/stories/2010/...

In my opinion, if an employee wants a Cadillac plan, he or she should be willing to pay the extra cost. We carry full coverage on our automobiles, so we pay more than people who only carry what is required by law. Makes sense to me.
many

Johnson City, TN

#10 Jul 8, 2012
What if they forced everyone to buy car or home owners insurance? And if u didn't they taxed you!!!

Since: Oct 08

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#11 Jul 8, 2012
Here is another article that sums up the difference in people's opinions to this debate, and by "people," I mean people like Tater and people like myself. I think it also addresses the differences in the beliefs of the two teachers he mentioned earlier on another thread.

To summarize, there are two families who have Cadillac or gold-plated insurance plans. The head of one family is an attorney who pays the $20,000-a-year premium himself. When you add in deductibles and co-pays, he pays close to $30,000 a year, BUT his son has Crohn's Disease, and his medical bills run well over that amount each year. In fact, just the infusions he gets cost over $40,000 per year.

The second family involves a lady who works for the state of New Hampshire. She doesn't make much money, but her share of her health insurance premium is around $60 per month ($720 per year). Her husband has leukemia, and last year alone, his medical care cost more than $1 million. If they had to pay 20% of the cost, it would have cost them over $200,000 just for last year.

The second couple is against the Affordable Care Act, because, as the husband says, "I don't want to give up what we've got personally for something significantly lesser in order to equalize." (Never mind that this burden is being carried by the citizens of the state of New Hampshire!)

The attorney is willing to pay higher taxes to get more people covered. In his opinion, everyone should have some reasonable expectation that their basic medical care costs will be covered.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/...
many

Johnson City, TN

#12 Jul 8, 2012
Ex-Vol in FL wrote:
<quoted text>

We carry full coverage on our automobiles, so we pay more than people who only carry what is required by law. Makes sense to me.
There is no law that forces anyone to buy car ins..and if u dont u are subject to a tax

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#13 Jul 8, 2012
many wrote:
ObamaCare Lies, Vol. 1
A MUST READ 100$
Claim: ObamaCare will not lead to the taxation of an employer’s health care benefits.
Fact:“These changes include a new excise tax on the highest-cost insurance plans....” Peter Orszag, former Obama administration Budget Director in his final memo before leaving the administration. In fact, the law includes, starting in 2018, a 40 percent tax on so-called Cadillac policies, costing more than $10,200 for individuals and $27,500 for families.– Source: Wall Street Journal, Oct. 16, 2010.
Claim: ObamaCare will not lead to rationing of health care services.
Fact: The Medicus Firm, a medical recruitment company, conducted a survey that found that 46 percent of physicians said they would quit or retire if the bill became law. The survey noted that even a 10 percent decline in practicing doctors over several years would be severely diminish the quality of the health care system because a 20-percent increase in doctors is needed to keep up with projected demand.– Source: The Washington Examiner, March 23, 2010.
Claim: ObamaCare will lower insurance premium costs.
Fact: ObamaCare also includes a $60.1 billion excise tax on the insurance industry, which will be passed through to consumers as higher premiums.– Source: Wall Street Journal, Oct. 16, 2010.
Claim: There will be more Medicare Advantage plans and options from which to choose.
Fact: Insurers are cutting their Medicare Advantage offerings, while others are exiting from the Medicare market entirely. Rick Foster, Medicare’s chief actuary wrote that Medicare under ObamaCare, will offer “less generous benefit packages” and “a large increase in the out-of-pocket costs incurred by MA enrollees.”– Source: Wall Street Journal, Oct. 16, 2010.
Claim: ObamaCare will provide coverage to all people who do not have it.

Claim: ObamaCare will not result in reduced medical resources and capacity.
Fact: The RAND Corporation reports that the new law may result in severe overcrowding and longer waits in emergency rooms and the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services warn that some of the mandated cuts in Medicare could result in the closing of up to 15 percent of U.S. hospitals.– Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.
Claim: ObamaCare will reduce costs to the individual.
Fact: The administration’s own chief health-care actuary reported that the law will raise U.S. health-care spending by $311 billion over 10 years.– Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.
Claim: ObamaCare will not shift costs or add costs to businesses, state governments or individuals.
Fact: More than $4.3 trillion in costs will shift to businesses, individuals and state governments.– Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.
Claim: ObamaCare will bring down insurance premiums.
Fact: Even the cynic might say this is correct because the government will regulate prices. But the Congressional Budget Office reports that says that premiums will double over the next six years, roughly the same rate of increase as would have occurred without ObamaCare. According to RAND, even young and healthy Americans could see premiums rise 17 percent, while the CBO says the self-employed, who buy their own health insurance, could see their premiums rise 13 percent faster than if there was no ObamaCare at all.– Source: New York Post, July 20, 2010.
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Well that must make it true, since some blogger said so.
Nest issue, crop circles.

Since: Oct 08

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#14 Jul 8, 2012
many wrote:
What if they forced everyone to buy car or home owners insurance? And if u didn't they taxed you!!!
If your home is paid for, you do not have to have homeowner's insurance, although I would question the wisdom of anyone who didn't carry it.

If you have a mortgage, not only do you have to have insurance, but your lender is listed as a lien holder on your house and in the event of a loss will be first to collect. If you have a mortgage and allow your insurance to lapse, your lender will put you in a policy at YOUR expense, and it will usually cost you a lot more than one you would find on your own.

When you obtain a mortgage, it is customary to pay for 14 months of coverage as part of the closing costs.
many

Johnson City, TN

#15 Jul 8, 2012
So lets force everyone with a house paid for to buy homeowner's insurance...and if not TAX THEM

Lets force all the people that don't want to buy a home like in NYC that live in apartments ...buy homeowner's insurance...and if not TAX THEM!
tater

Jefferson City, TN

#16 Jul 8, 2012
Isn't it really convenient how progressives find these examples. Now lets tell the truth for a change. Insurance companies have a pool of people insured. Their underwriters estimate the outlay based on their experience in the industry. The catastrophic clause covers the leukemia and the Chromes disease patients and the 20% has a cap on it. The shared cost of the pool is used to pay the bill and the healthy people that are paying into the pool and the investments of the insurance companies is used to cover it.

As for insurance you are about to learn a great deal about government health care soon. Of course the people that will get the services will be the ones that don't pay a dime for it but you will all pay through your taxes for their care and if you need it you won't be able to get in to see a doctor.
tater

Jefferson City, TN

#17 Jul 8, 2012
Gee I am sorry that no one can understand the two teacher scenario it would have been so easy for people fifty years ago to grasp I guess America has lost the power to reason as well as everything else.
tater

Jefferson City, TN

#18 Jul 8, 2012
Many I really don't know why you don't just do a John Roberts and switch sides leaving me as the only target on here. You could become a brilliant informed hero in less than a week. I do apologize for bring you down with me but its really important for the progressives to batter me down and prove me incompetent and if I am as they say why would they worry about my posts?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#19 Jul 8, 2012
many wrote:
So lets force everyone with a house paid for to buy homeowner's insurance...and if not TAX THEM
Lets force all the people that don't want to buy a home like in NYC that live in apartments ...buy homeowner's insurance...and if not TAX THEM!
If your home is paid for and burns down or is destroyed by a tornado and you had no insurance, YOU are out of luck. No one has to buy you a new home or even provide you with a place to live.

On the other hand, if you become seriously ill or have an accident and show up at the emergency room, they HAVE to treat you while we are likely to have to pick up the tab because your sorry butt was too cheap to buy health insurance. I think I have asked you this before, but don't you have health insurance? It would be just WAY too ironic if you are on TennCare, Medicare, or disability insurance.

If you live in an apartment, I am pretty sure that whoever owns the apartment has insurance coverage on the building but not your possessions. That is what renter's insurance is for.
Are You Ready

United States

#20 Jul 8, 2012
many wrote:
So lets force everyone with a house paid for to buy homeowner's insurance...and if not TAX THEM
Lets force all the people that don't want to buy a home like in NYC that live in apartments ...buy homeowner's insurance...and if not TAX THEM!
That would be dictator socialism, liberal democrats should go fot it, don't give them anymore stupid ideas.
This Congress has amassed more progressive, liberal socialist Democratic fools than any other in history, leaving the Conservatives no room to compromise but to repeal. With liberals their way is the only way, no more compromises, search and destroy politics.
Liberal democrats are the party of satan.

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