Big fuss over small differences

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In primary election campaigns, the fighting is often vicious because the differences are so small.

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Harding

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Jan 16, 2008
 
Thank you Mr. Page for being perhaps the first national columnist to correctly note the key role that Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen and the Senate Republicans played in passing the Civil Rights Act...and the Voting Rights Act in 1965. Had it not been for Dirksen, the Civil Rights Act likely would not even come to a vote because of the filibuster and opposition by some Democrats. And of course, Mrs. Clinton misspoke when she said Johnson "passed" the law. Presidents, of course, do not "pass" legislation, they either sign it or veto it.
Jason

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Jan 16, 2008
 
Well, it's officially black vs. white now.

Despite protests to the contrary, Saint Obama the Uniter has actively sought an opportunity to inject race into the 2008 campaign leading into the South Carolina primaries. He couldn't find it, so they first went with "fairy tale" being racist to describe one of Obama's positions. Hardly racist. Then his campaign picked up on Clinton’s MLK comment and misinterpreted it. He needed to trick and incite African Americans, while distancing himself enough personally so as not to be obvious to whites, Hispanics and others.

What a con man.

Obama needs to keep in mind, however, that if the race is held out as a reason to vote FOR someone, it must also be a valid reason to vote AGAINST someone. He can't have it both ways. I hope his disgusting race games ultimately crash his campaign.
Liam

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Jan 16, 2008
 
Now Hillary is playing the terror card. I find it strange that she is claiming that she is the one who would best handle terror attacks, because during the Clintons' eight years in the White House the same terrorists hit the US at home an abroad, several times, and the Clintons never took robust action, and that is why the terrorists were still around to hit us on 9/11.

Hillary may talk tough, but during the Clinton years, the terrorists hit us again and again, and lived to hit us again after the Clintons were out of the White House.

Sounds like Hillary is now claiming that she would have responded to the terrorists in a stronger manner than her man Bill did!
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Jan 16, 2008
 
Jason wrote:
Well, it's officially black vs. white now.
Despite protests to the contrary, Saint Obama the Uniter has actively sought an opportunity to inject race into the 2008 campaign leading into the South Carolina primaries. He couldn't find it, so they first went with "fairy tale" being racist to describe one of Obama's positions. Hardly racist. Then his campaign picked up on Clinton’s MLK comment and misinterpreted it. He needed to trick and incite African Americans, while distancing himself enough personally so as not to be obvious to whites, Hispanics and others.
What a con man.
Obama needs to keep in mind, however, that if the race is held out as a reason to vote FOR someone, it must also be a valid reason to vote AGAINST someone. He can't have it both ways. I hope his disgusting race games ultimately crash his campaign.
Hey Jason, I just replied to your charges on another forum, but over there your name was BECK. Obama did not inject race into the campaign, why would he? I think that you my "friend" are reaching; or perhaps you are just doing your job for another in attempt to get the Senator off point and on to trying to defend something he has not interjected in effort to scare off supporters.

That known and noted mud machine has just gone underground for they know that they cannot afford to alienate their base who would run to Obama in droves if there is a whiff of their attacking him unfairly.

So now what BECK or do you prefer JASON?
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Jan 16, 2008
 
Liam wrote:
Now Hillary is playing the terror card. I find it strange that she is claiming that she is the one who would best handle terror attacks, because during the Clintons' eight years in the White House the same terrorists hit the US at home an abroad, several times, and the Clintons never took robust action, and that is why the terrorists were still around to hit us on 9/11.
Hillary may talk tough, but during the Clinton years, the terrorists hit us again and again, and lived to hit us again after the Clintons were out of the White House.
Sounds like Hillary is now claiming that she would have responded to the terrorists in a stronger manner than her man Bill did!
And please let us not forget that the Clinton administration had cut the military budget and the intelligence agencies to the bone; and from my point of view this and the disarray of that administration that had to be so focused on Inpeachment, Monicagate, White Water, loss of friends with the signing into law welfare reform that was not humane, the increase of the prison population, Rwanda, and all the issues with known terrorists training in the Horn of Africa nations which was the breeding ground for Osama, who this administration refused to go after when it would have been easy. So please, Miss I have 35 years of experience and I know the problems because I was First Lady, needs to be called on all failings of her first two administrations since we are being fed that she has on the job experience.
Derrick

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Jan 16, 2008
 
I agree about the Obama campaign's race baiting. His campaign continues to use every opportunity to cleverly inject race including this from Michelle Obama on Monday -- after the supposed "truce."

"We had a miraculous victory in Iowa," Michelle Obama said. "Ain't no black people in Iowa!”

It's clearly all about race with the Obamas. Their diviseness is NOT the direction we should be moving in this country
Julie Jon

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Jan 16, 2008
 
Can we demand that Obama speak to his lack of record on the issue of "change" in Illinois or is that now considered "racist," too?

Can you imagine four years of this kind of racial slicing and dicing from an Obama adminstration? Nobama. No way.
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Jan 16, 2008
 
It's unfortunate that an article about the needless race and gender dialogue be followed by comments and accusations about race and gender.

You don't have to push your candidate with every comment you make.

As far as bigger issues go, I'd like to hear more about the direction of our energy policy.
Liam

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Jan 16, 2008
 
Last night, Hillary did a riff on how she will inspire the nation to tackle the renewable energy project by comparing it to the Apollo Moon mission, and how she would inspire the nation to rise to the new challenge.

When Senator Obama speaks about inspiring the nation to rise to the challenges, Hillary accuses him of providing "false hope". Well, on last night's debate, on the subject of energy, she gave her own, full on, inspirational leader, spiel.

Surprise, surprise, Hillary has suddenly turned into a Hope Monger, something she derides Senator Obama for being.

You go Hope Monger Hillary, steal what you have condemned. You can fool some of the people all the time.
Wallce Brown

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Jan 16, 2008
 
When Martin Luther King was fighting for justice for black Americans some of our own black folks were telling him not to rock the boat and that change would eventually come. Fortunately, for Blacks and for ALL Americans, Reverend King did not listen. He knew the time was NOW. This absurdity in the black community and other communities about Obama should wait his turn is the most denigrating, condescending racism I've ever heard. Our time is NOW. We are not just rocking the boat, America, we are rocking the vote!!!! My grandfather marched with Martin and campaigned for Bobby Kennedy. Our time is NOW. It would be a disgrace to vote for a person who will divide us all - Hillary Clinton, instead of a man with a vision, a man with hope, and a man Dr. King would enthusiastically endorse - Barack Obama. On the upcoming celebration of the birth of Dr. King honor his memory and all that he stood for and vote for Barack Obama. There's no better way to honor Dr. King.
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Jan 16, 2008
 
Wallce Brown wrote:
When Martin Luther King was fighting for justice for black Americans some of our own black folks were telling him not to rock the boat and that change would eventually come. Fortunately, for Blacks and for ALL Americans, Reverend King did not listen. He knew the time was NOW. This absurdity in the black community and other communities about Obama should wait his turn is the most denigrating, condescending racism I've ever heard. Our time is NOW. We are not just rocking the boat, America, we are rocking the vote!!!! My grandfather marched with Martin and campaigned for Bobby Kennedy. Our time is NOW. It would be a disgrace to vote for a person who will divide us all - Hillary Clinton, instead of a man with a vision, a man with hope, and a man Dr. King would enthusiastically endorse - Barack Obama. On the upcoming celebration of the birth of Dr. King honor his memory and all that he stood for and vote for Barack Obama. There's no better way to honor Dr. King.
Cheers guvna!!!
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Jan 16, 2008
 
Harding wrote:
Thank you Mr. Page for being perhaps the first national columnist to correctly note the key role that Illinois Senator Everett Dirksen and the Senate Republicans played in passing the Civil Rights Act...and the Voting Rights Act in 1965. Had it not been for Dirksen, the Civil Rights Act likely would not even come to a vote because of the filibuster and opposition by some Democrats. And of course, Mrs. Clinton misspoke when she said Johnson "passed" the law. Presidents, of course, do not "pass" legislation, they either sign it or veto it.
I agree. I wish we had more substantive articles than a bunch of rhetoric.
chigal

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#13
Jan 16, 2008
 
What is this nonsense about Clinton "dividing us all"? Honestly, I don't see where anybody is getting this stuff.

Civil rights are very important. So is women's equality. And the two movements are intertwined, you know.

I'm planning to vote based on the more immediately pertinent ISSUES, which the president will deal with in office: the economy, healthcare, the war ...

An emotional vote is an ignorant vote. That isn't to say we're all supposed to be robots, but don't expect me to appoint someone on the grounds that their race or gender makes them a "hero." There are no heroes among politicians.
Tamika Jackson

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Jan 16, 2008
 
I find it sickening that any of my black brothers and sisters would vote for Hillary Clinton. What claim does this woman have on the Black vote? What has she ever done in her life for Black folks? As I remember the Clinton years her husband bombed Serbia for two months because they were slaughering whites in Kosovo but he did nothing when one million blacks were slaughered in Rwanda. More young black men went to prison when her husband was president than at any time in our history, and with the stroke of a pen her husband could have banned racial profiling but he never had the time to do that either. Instead, these two Clintons who expect Black folks to kneel before them send their surrogates out to attack the character of Barack Obama and then when the media finds out where all the character assassination and dirty politics is coming from the Clinton's try and lie that it came from them. Are the American people crazy? Do you really want to go back to the time of polarization, womanizing, and non stop lying was the rule of the day?? Don't we as a country deserve better? Barack Obama is a breath of fresh air. He is loyal to his wife, is not a pathological liar, and he has a clear vision of where he wants to take the country and he will do so reaching across the aisle working with all people from different sides of the political spectrum. We need Obama. We don't need the past and we don't need or want any more Clinton's.
Derrick

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Jan 16, 2008
 
Tamika Jackson wrote:
I find it sickening that any of my black brothers and sisters would vote for Hillary Clinton.
Yes, Tamkika, the Obama campaign respects and cares about you so much.

We see Michelle Obama on national television spouting that you and other blacks will "wake up and get it" and vote for her husband simply because he black, which insults you and every African American by implying you lack the intelligence to vote for someone based on something other than race. Even highly liberal National Public Radio sharply criticized that attempt by the Obama campaign to play the race card.

Where is your outrage at the Obama campaign for so blatantly using you and taking your support for granted? Go ahead and vote your race, Tamika. But keep in mind -- if race is considered a reason to vote FOR someone, it must also be considered a reason to vote AGAINST someone.
Ted

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Jan 16, 2008
 
Wallce Brown wrote:
a man Dr. King would enthusiastically endorse - Barack Obama.
Don't be so sure. The whole point of this article is that old guard has rejected Mr. Slick. No one is older guard than MLK.
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Jan 16, 2008
 
Clinton did not gut the military as much as these people say, even though he should have. When our liberties are eroded and we are helpless to stop it, you'll wish we hadn't spent those billions on the army that will soon be keeping YOU in control instead of "terrorists".
PB and E

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#18
Jan 16, 2008
 
Why doesn't anyone talk about the difference when it comes to lobbying money. Was I the only one who saw the post debate round table on MSNBC where Mrs. Clinton's representative was a registered lobbyist? How can we trust her to do what the American people want and change when her campaign advisors are the same lobbyist who pushed the horrible laws we are trying to change. The only (viable)candidates not completely bought and sold are Edwards, Obama, & Huckabee. I will vote for Obama or Edwards; but if its Clinton I'll either not vote or vote for Huckabee if he's on the Republican side.
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Jan 16, 2008
 
Ted wrote:
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Don't be so sure. The whole point of this article is that old guard has rejected Mr. Slick. No one is older guard than MLK.
Every one of the old guard has been bought by Clinton. Rangel is intimately connected to her as is Jackson, Sharpton, and every other black 'leader' who has endorsed her. The old guard are planning on being pigs at the trough; hoping to feed off the pork Mrs. Clinton will provide as president. Of course the fact that the vast majority of black voters still back Obama over Clinton show's that the old guard is out of touch with the vast majority of the black community. Of course you wouldn't know this by how many times they run up Sharpton and Jackson Sr. on news shows like they represent anyone other than themselves.
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Jan 16, 2008
 
Ok how about this...Dems stop talking about race, Reps. stop talking about religion, and start telling lies about what they will do for USA. Clarence, pose this question since you are something of a voice.

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