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May 19, 2012
 
Does anyone in this county actually know what this means or believe in it? If not im sure my cell phone can go off again next year when you all pray!

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May 19, 2012
 
I like the 4th amendment. I place it up there with the others in the bill of rights. I have found it to be ignored by police and politicians.
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May 19, 2012
 
The Fourth Amendment (Amendment IV) to the United States Constitution is the part of the Bill of Rights which guards against unreasonable searches and seizures, along with requiring any warrant to be judicially sanctioned and supported by probable cause. It was adopted as a response to the abuse of the writ of assistance, which is a type of general search warrant, in the American Revolution. Search and arrest should be limited in scope according to specific information supplied to the issuing court, usually by a law enforcement officer, who has sworn by it.

ALL law enforcement every where is finding its way around this via "Probable Cause!" In Butler County it doesn't exist because, well, most cops don't know what it means. If they do then ignorance is a way for them to get around it! Good luck in your efforts to see your constitutional rights recognized here, when Butler County does not have a governing body.
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May 20, 2012
 
The fourth amendment from a police officers standpoint is the most important aspect during an investigation if it is violated the suspect will ALWAYS be found not guilty. Therefore any peace officer (Trained) will always place their highest attention on not doing so. A Sherriffs deputy who by law may work untrained without attending a formal academy (POPS) for 12 months consecutively. Most Sherrifs offices will work these individuals less than 12 months at one to avoid having them go to an academy thus avoiding the obligation to pay the deputy more money. If you've been the victim of such ignorance as many have then I suggest you get a lawyer to properly defend your fourth amendment right, but do keep in mind 9 times out of ten when an officer does something you think is wrong he's has a copy of a long forgotten supreme court case that rules in his favor and he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do.
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May 20, 2012
 
[QUOTE who="top$hot"]The fourth amendment from a police officers standpoint is the most important aspect during an investigation if it is violated the suspect will ALWAYS be found not guilty. Therefore any peace officer (Trained) will always place their highest attention on not doing so. A Sherriffs deputy who by law may work untrained without attending a formal academy (POPS) for 12 months consecutively. Most Sherrifs offices will work these individuals less than 12 months at one to avoid having them go to an academy thus avoiding the obligation to pay the deputy more money. If you've been the victim of such ignorance as many have then I suggest you get a lawyer to properly defend your fourth amendment right, but do keep in mind 9 times out of ten when an officer does something you think is wrong he's has a copy of a long forgotten supreme court case that rules in his favor and he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do.[/QUOTE]

Impressive display of knowledge! You are either an attorney or a "Real Law Enforcement Officer" and I am willing to guess that you do not operate out of Butler County if you are a Cop...
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May 20, 2012
 
Definition wrote:
[QUOTE who="top$hot"]The fourth amendment from a police officers standpoint is the most important aspect during an investigation if it is violated the suspect will ALWAYS be found not guilty. Therefore any peace officer (Trained) will always place their highest attention on not doing so. A Sherriffs deputy who by law may work untrained without attending a formal academy (POPS) for 12 months consecutively. Most Sherrifs offices will work these individuals less than 12 months at one to avoid having them go to an academy thus avoiding the obligation to pay the deputy more money. If you've been the victim of such ignorance as many have then I suggest you get a lawyer to properly defend your fourth amendment right, but do keep in mind 9 times out of ten when an officer does something you think is wrong he's has a copy of a long forgotten supreme court case that rules in his favor and he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do. "

Impressive display of knowledge! You are either an attorney or a "Real Law Enforcement Officer" and I am willing to guess that you do not operate out of Butler County if you are a Cop...
right but absolutely wrong at the same time I do not wrong in Butler County or Kentucky for that matter do I agree with butler counties finest absolutely not as a teen I was harassed by them and of course at times subject to some rather shady searches due to my young age I had no clue what rights I had or if they were being violated. I'm now in law enforcement employed by the federal government have been for the better part of a decade and of course our biggest hump and what most defense cases are built around you guessed it the fourth amendment. I was merely shedding light on how an officer may not always be trying to be an asshole they simply just may not have a clue if I have insulted you I do apologize that was not my intent.
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May 20, 2012
 

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You did not insult me at all, in fact I was truly enlightened to see "Professionalism" expressed by what I can assume is a true professional. If you are with the fed's then I ask you to help us in Butler County, by directing the right officials our way to make a change! I do feel that the BCSD is doing its best and seem to be doing a good job. Now the MPD is where we need help!!!! It is not about what you do here, it is about who you are! No insult was taken but for you to know that wrong doing is taking place here and do nothing is an insult.... Take care whoever you are. Help us if you can!!!!!!
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May 20, 2012
 
[QUOTE who="top$hot"]The fourth amendment from a police officers standpoint is the most important aspect during an investigation if it is violated the suspect will ALWAYS be found not guilty. Therefore any peace officer (Trained) will always place their highest attention on not doing so. A Sherriffs deputy who by law may work untrained without attending a formal academy (POPS) for 12 months consecutively. Most Sherrifs offices will work these individuals less than 12 months at one to avoid having them go to an academy thus avoiding the obligation to pay the deputy more money. If you've been the victim of such ignorance as many have then I suggest you get a lawyer to properly defend your fourth amendment right, but do keep in mind 9 times out of ten when an officer does something you think is wrong he's has a copy of a long forgotten supreme court case that rules in his favor and he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do.[/QUOTE]

GET OUT OF HERE,YOU ARE FULL OF IT,PLUS YOU CAN'T SPELL CRAP.HERE IS HOW ((Sheriff) IS SPELL..NOT ((Sherriffs)) OR ((Sherrifs)) WHAT IS IT THEY SAY (YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL SHERIFF.YOU SPELLED SHERIFF (2)(TWO) TIMES AND EACH TIME YOU SPELL IT WRONG.

THE POLICE HAVE ALL THE FUN MADE OF THEM WITH OUT YOU COMING ON HERE ACTING LIKE YOU ARE A POLICE OFFICER.
READERS:If you've been the victim of such ignorance AND YOU HAVE IF YOU READ THE POST AND BELEIVE THIS PERSON.

P.S.IT SAYS YOU MAY BE FROM N.C.,WELL FROM THE WAY YOU SPELL THAT MAY BE TRUE.

he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do..WHEN YOU ARE IN COURT IS WHEN THE POLICE HAVE ARRESTED YOU FOR A CRIME.
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May 20, 2012
 
Definition wrote:
You did not insult me at all, in fact I was truly enlightened to see "Professionalism" expressed by what I can assume is a true professional. If you are with the fed's then I ask you to help us in Butler County, by directing the right officials our way to make a change! I do feel that the BCSD is doing its best and seem to be doing a good job. Now the MPD is where we need help!!!! It is not about what you do here, it is about who you are! No insult was taken but for you to know that wrong doing is taking place here and do nothing is an insult.... Take care whoever you are. Help us if you can!!!!!!
Been working on it I assure you.
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May 20, 2012
 

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A CON YOU ARE wrote:
[QUOTE who="top$hot"]The fourth amendment from a police officers standpoint is the most important aspect during an investigation if it is violated the suspect will ALWAYS be found not guilty. Therefore any peace officer (Trained) will always place their highest attention on not doing so. A Sherriffs deputy who by law may work untrained without attending a formal academy (POPS) for 12 months consecutively. Most Sherrifs offices will work these individuals less than 12 months at one to avoid having them go to an academy thus avoiding the obligation to pay the deputy more money. If you've been the victim of such ignorance as many have then I suggest you get a lawyer to properly defend your fourth amendment right, but do keep in mind 9 times out of ten when an officer does something you think is wrong he's has a copy of a long forgotten supreme court case that rules in his favor and he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do. "

GET OUT OF HERE,YOU ARE FULL OF IT,PLUS YOU CAN'T SPELL CRAP.HERE IS HOW ((Sheriff) IS SPELL..NOT ((Sherriffs)) OR ((Sherrifs)) WHAT IS IT THEY SAY (YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL SHERIFF.YOU SPELLED SHERIFF (2)(TWO) TIMES AND EACH TIME YOU SPELL IT WRONG.

THE POLICE HAVE ALL THE FUN MADE OF THEM WITH OUT YOU COMING ON HERE ACTING LIKE YOU ARE A POLICE OFFICER.
READERS:If you've been the victim of such ignorance AND YOU HAVE IF YOU READ THE POST AND BELEIVE THIS PERSON.

P.S.IT SAYS YOU MAY BE FROM N.C.,WELL FROM THE WAY YOU SPELL THAT MAY BE TRUE.

he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do..WHEN YOU ARE IN COURT IS WHEN THE POLICE HAVE ARRESTED YOU FOR A CRIME.
I'm not from NC either ha ha that is just where I'm staying at the moment. Please excuse my spelling errors they were not intentional. I can assure you that if I were to take the time to type slower or perhaps turn on auto correct I'll seem more up to par with such an outstanding individual such as yourself. As far as my credit is concerned I do believe that a very civil conversation was being held until you decided it was fine to call people liars and cons I do believe I need not impress anyone especially a coward with no trust for another man's word. It's very distasteful when someone ruins a decent thread with a facetious attitude, it's unwarranted and uncalled for if you do not believe what I have said simply ask me next time instead of pandering around and throwing insults my way. Have a pleasant evening.
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May 20, 2012
 
A CON YOU ARE wrote:
[QUOTE who="top$hot"]The fourth amendment from a police officers standpoint is the most important aspect during an investigation if it is violated the suspect will ALWAYS be found not guilty. Therefore any peace officer (Trained) will always place their highest attention on not doing so. A Sherriffs deputy who by law may work untrained without attending a formal academy (POPS) for 12 months consecutively. Most Sherrifs offices will work these individuals less than 12 months at one to avoid having them go to an academy thus avoiding the obligation to pay the deputy more money. If you've been the victim of such ignorance as many have then I suggest you get a lawyer to properly defend your fourth amendment right, but do keep in mind 9 times out of ten when an officer does something you think is wrong he's has a copy of a long forgotten supreme court case that rules in his favor and he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do. "

GET OUT OF HERE,YOU ARE FULL OF IT,PLUS YOU CAN'T SPELL CRAP.HERE IS HOW ((Sheriff) IS SPELL..NOT ((Sherriffs)) OR ((Sherrifs)) WHAT IS IT THEY SAY (YOU CAN'T EVEN SPELL SHERIFF.YOU SPELLED SHERIFF (2)(TWO) TIMES AND EACH TIME YOU SPELL IT WRONG.

THE POLICE HAVE ALL THE FUN MADE OF THEM WITH OUT YOU COMING ON HERE ACTING LIKE YOU ARE A POLICE OFFICER.
READERS:If you've been the victim of such ignorance AND YOU HAVE IF YOU READ THE POST AND BELEIVE THIS PERSON.

P.S.IT SAYS YOU MAY BE FROM N.C.,WELL FROM THE WAY YOU SPELL THAT MAY BE TRUE.

he will probably bring that to court with him just like I always do..WHEN YOU ARE IN COURT IS WHEN THE POLICE HAVE ARRESTED YOU FOR A CRIME.
I almost forgot this while deciphering all of that non sense you were chatting about....."WHEN YOU ARE IN COURT IS WHEN THE POLICE HAVE ARRESTED YOU FOR A CRIME." Forgive me for having such a difficult time dismantling this atrocity of grammar, I do believe the point you were making is why would I bring any evidence to court when I've obviously gained enough to arrest. Well let me elaborate then, when a cop pulls you over for speeding then asks you to get out of a vehicle is that a violation of your fourth amendment? Some would say yes unless he had some probable cause but the supreme court once in 76 and twice in 97 ruled that since an officer has already detained you in lieux of the traffic stop itself they may by law put you anywhere they please including their patrol for the duration of the stop, the basis being the stop itself justifies the behavior. So when you or one of yor backseat lawyer friends gets told to get out of a vehicle for a blown taillight and his dime bag hits the ground too bad not a violation the officer was well within his rights. Furthermore when the officer gets summoned to court for the drug charge and the defense puts him on the stand trying anything and everything for an acquittal based on the officer not having any right to pull you out of a car (Fourth Amendment Defense) myself would have all three of the supreme court rulings in hand submitted as evidence stating that I was well within my right to do so which equals case closed in less than 5 minutes. Sorry sir you pathetic argument against my stature and my profession is without doubt invalid, anyone with some sense can tell I'm not telling stories out of school feel free to pull this post apart for corrections as well good sir.
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May 20, 2012
 
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Impressive display of knowledge! You are either an attorney or a "Real Law Enforcement Officer" and I am willing to guess that you do not operate out of Butler County if you are a Cop...
Definition I FEEL FOR YOU BUT THIS PERSON IS NOT IN ANY WAY CAN HELP YOU,CALL THE STATE POLICE OR THE FEDS.
YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE IT BUT THEY WILL HELP IF YOU HAVE PROOF?
GO TO BOWLING GREEN KY.GO TO THE STATE POLICE POST AND TALK TO THEM,THAT IS WHAT THEY DO AND LOVE DOING IT.I GUARANTEE YOU THEY CAN SPELL SHERIFF.

Impressive display of knowledge!WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU,THIS .. PERSON CAN'T SPELL SHERIFF,GO CHECK IT OUT.

You are either an attorney or a "Real Law Enforcement Officer.....
NO NO NO..an attorney or a "Real Law Enforcement Officer CAN SPELL SHERIFF,AM NOT MAKING FUN BUT NO ONE MAKES A MISTAKE SPELLING SHERIFF OR ANY OTHER AVERAGE WORD UNLESS HE IS NOT REAL BRIGHT OR A KID HAVING FUN OUT OF YOU.

I am willing to guess that you do not operate out of Butler County if you are a Cop......
HE MAY OPERATE OUT AS A CON MAN/WOMAN.

HEY MAN,IF YOU ARE NOT FOR SURE WHO HE IS?
GIVE HIM SOME OF YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION BUT WAIT,HE MAY ASK YOU FOR IT REAL SOON?
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May 20, 2012
 
A CON YOU ARE wrote:
<quoted text>Definition I FEEL FOR YOU BUT THIS PERSON IS NOT IN ANY WAY CAN HELP YOU,CALL THE STATE POLICE OR THE FEDS.
YOU MAY NOT BELIEVE IT BUT THEY WILL HELP IF YOU HAVE PROOF?
GO TO BOWLING GREEN KY.GO TO THE STATE POLICE POST AND TALK TO THEM,THAT IS WHAT THEY DO AND LOVE DOING IT.I GUARANTEE YOU THEY CAN SPELL SHERIFF.

Impressive display of knowledge!WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU,THIS .. PERSON CAN'T SPELL SHERIFF,GO CHECK IT OUT.

You are either an attorney or a "Real Law Enforcement Officer.....
NO NO NO..an attorney or a "Real Law Enforcement Officer CAN SPELL SHERIFF,AM NOT MAKING FUN BUT NO ONE MAKES A MISTAKE SPELLING SHERIFF OR ANY OTHER AVERAGE WORD UNLESS HE IS NOT REAL BRIGHT OR A KID HAVING FUN OUT OF YOU.

I am willing to guess that you do not operate out of Butler County if you are a Cop......
HE MAY OPERATE OUT AS A CON MAN/WOMAN.

HEY MAN,IF YOU ARE NOT FOR SURE WHO HE IS?
GIVE HIM SOME OF YOUR PERSONAL INFORMATION BUT WAIT,HE MAY ASK YOU FOR IT REAL SOON?
I do not need your personal information nor anyone's for that matter. Who are you to give judicial advice anyway? I did not ask definition for anything I merely added to their post from a law enforcement stand point most individuals who are sore at Law Enforcement usually are not in the right I told them to get lawyer if they were in trouble that is about as much as anyone could do. I'm not deceiving anyone nor did post a picture perfect post SHERIFF may be a common word for a common citizen such as yourself but for someone who exercises their profession outside the general population it's not a term I use often still no excuse to spell it wrong your right but do enlighten me on how the misspelling of one word automatically makes you draw the conclusion that I'm a con man? Your investigative theories and techniques are fascinating so please do tell.
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May 20, 2012
 
[QUOTE who="top$hot"]<qu oted text>
Been working on it I assure you.[/QUOTE]I will only say i am called Butters and i have bend readen what you have saying you can help us in butler county.we are in real bad truble he.i dont take crap from the cops and i have had some problems but i was not at fault but i stil paid him $200 last month to get out of a mess.i had better not talk and more till i no more.i will just wait and lesten to you and Definition.
thank you Butters
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May 20, 2012
 
Butters wrote:
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Been working on it I assure you."

I will only say i am called Butters and i have bend readen what you have saying you can help us in butler county.we are in real bad truble he.i dont take crap from the cops and i have had some problems but i was not at fault but i stil paid him $200 last month to get out of a mess.i had better not talk and more till i no more.i will just wait and lesten to you and Definition.
thank you Butters
Probable cause is such a tricky and very opinionated concept. This is as simple as I can put it if you feel your a victim of an illegal search or seizure then you need to find out what the explanation for the officers search was then and only then can you start to do research on cases that have went to the supreme court that are identical in nature in which the ruling went in the defendants favor for example if an officer puts in his statement that he could smell alcohol coming from you breathe and that was his probably cause for making you give a sample
Of your breathe or blood then he is wrong it's common sense alcohol is odor free and colorless it's the additives to alcohol that provide that "smell" that being said they can administer field sobriety testing to anyone and determine impairment based on those tests but if an officer just says I smell alcohol and takes you in he's work he had no probable cause. A better example I ask to search your house for an XBOX that is what is on the warrant and during the search I look in a drawer too small for an Xbox too fit in and I find cocaine is this legal? Hell no it's a violation of your fourth amendment if the time they are looking for cannot be where there are searching anything they find is obtained illegally search warrants are specific for that reason. Now if they look in your trunk for that XBOX and its full of drugs well your screwed an Xbox would fit there so they had reasonable cause to search it.
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May 21, 2012
 
Kudos to you "top$hot" and a big fat FAIL for (A CON YOU ARE)! My assessment based on my professional knowledge is that (A CON YOU ARE) is one of Butler counties finest, is likely a major control freak (evidenced by the ALL CAPS) typing! I hope it is not one of our Sherrifff'ss but but feel comfortable in saying that it is likely a City Officer in my opinion! The Chief or his next in line Sergeant Gidcumb. Gidcumb is a very hot headed, controlling man, with what most refer to as "Short Mans Syndrome."
Having read all these posts I need to tell you top$shot that in many cases you are DENIED your right to a copy of the Police report, we have many instances of Civil Rights violations, unlawful search and seizure, not forgetting the fact that (IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU DO IN THIS TOWN, IT IS ABOUT WHO YOU ARE). I look forward to seeing your follow up.
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Kudos to you "top$hot" and a big fat FAIL for (A CON YOU ARE)! My assessment based on my professional knowledge is that (A CON YOU ARE) is one of Butler counties finest, is likely a major control freak (evidenced by the ALL CAPS) typing! I hope it is not one of our Sherrifff'ss but but feel comfortable in saying that it is likely a City Officer in my opinion! The Chief or his next in line Sergeant Gidcumb. Gidcumb is a very hot headed, controlling man, with what most refer to as "Short Mans Syndrome."
Having read all these posts I need to tell you top$shot that in many cases you are DENIED your right to a copy of the Police report, we have many instances of Civil Rights violations, unlawful search and seizure, not forgetting the fact that (IT IS NOT ABOUT WHAT YOU DO IN THIS TOWN, IT IS ABOUT WHO YOU ARE). I look forward to seeing your follow up.
that's another touchy subject you have a right to know face your accusers and be aware of the evidence against you with certain limitations. Names of those individuals labeled as witnesses will be safeguarded until trial lots of the information you want falls into this category. The officer must uphold the integrity of the investigation he himself in this aspect owes you nothing not even an explanation the "defense attorney" explains to you what they have and how it involves you. It's this simple once your involved your in for the ride and you will not know much at all until you have a lawyer and a court hearing, the officers finalized public report will be in those documents as evidence or a sworn testimony simple as that. I'm not here to bash the city police they still do a damn good job with all the negative publicity if you didn't see it then it didnt happen I personally like Sgt Gidcumb and The Chief and still hope to see them do well. If they have wronged you please file with a lawyer or the KSP they really are your best bet for a quick resolve.
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May 21, 2012
 
Friendly advice to any and all do not underestimate the power of pen and paper. If you come into contact with an officer write down the time date and specific details of the encounter keep a log of these in the case you get called into court and your on the wrong end. Many times I've been sitting there trying to remember key details and times of events that the defendant was murmuring about every once in a while if you keep and accurate and clean log it can be used as evidence for example this lady said that I spent 20 minutes searching her car and at least 15 minutes writing her a ticket the Supreme Court has limited traffic stops to 20 minutes unless more time is warranted by law I personally logged in the time I stopped her the times i started and ended the search and the time I let her go 17 minutes total she was found guilty on all traffic violations and the unregistered hand gun she had in the back seat. Why did I search without a search warrant? She was driving on a restricted license which is no longer a traffic violation it's a crime once a misdemeanor or higher crime has been discovers then the property is free game for a search without a warrant or permission because probable cause has been established remember these things.
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May 21, 2012
 
I am not sure how to approach your response and also wanted to let you know that I am not the one who started this topic. Although I agree and understand all that you have stated here I am cautioned by affiliation with the 2 officers mentioned above! I myself have not been negatively impacted by any of the CURRENT BCSD or MPD. Now having said that, I can tell you that I was severely impacted by a series of incidents when Morris and Burden were in charge. All I will say about those situations is CORRUPTION was at its best! I was the victim that got victimized by those who were here to serve and protect. WHY? Because I took appropriate actions to make the situation correct. That is when I learned that in this town you keep your mouth shut and don't shed light on yourself. It had nothing to do with wrongful search and/or seizure.... Just pure and simple wrong doing by some corrupt individuals. We need some serious change here in Butler County. I would call KSP any time if needed because they are professional and trained appropriately. Take care top$hot. I may interject here and there depending on what is discussed.
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I am not sure how to approach your response and also wanted to let you know that I am not the one who started this topic. Although I agree and understand all that you have stated here I am cautioned by affiliation with the 2 officers mentioned above! I myself have not been negatively impacted by any of the CURRENT BCSD or MPD. Now having said that, I can tell you that I was severely impacted by a series of incidents when Morris and Burden were in charge. All I will say about those situations is CORRUPTION was at its best! I was the victim that got victimized by those who were here to serve and protect. WHY? Because I took appropriate actions to make the situation correct. That is when I learned that in this town you keep your mouth shut and don't shed light on yourself. It had nothing to do with wrongful search and/or seizure.... Just pure and simple wrong doing by some corrupt individuals. We need some serious change here in Butler County. I would call KSP any time if needed because they are professional and trained appropriately. Take care top$hot. I may interject here and there depending on what is discussed.
I despise Burden and Morris both individuals were equally as dirty as the next drug lord. I can recall a friend of mines mother actually admitting on the phone in my presence that she had paid Morris several thousands of dollars to keep the KSP away from her operation saddening as I now believe had someone else been in control at that point things would be less complicated now for butler county I'm hoping Sheriff Ward will stand firm, it's lonely at the top and it's always been a decision between what is right and what is easy hopefully as the year progresses our officers will choose what is right.

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