Women Challenge Oklahoma Abortion Law

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rican wrote:

im so glad they pass bills that help absolutly noone. how about try to help oklahomans in a few ways before passing political useless bills that apease rite wing wakos. how about unemployment before the ten commandments. how about medical care before hunting pigs from helicopters. how about more dhs workers to deal with kids who need help now before we pass bills that serve no purpose other then make a few campain contributers happy

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bill wrote:

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I think its meant to protect children by discouraging the flushing of them down the drain. But you are right, a little DHS funding would be nice to.

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Against Abortion wrote:

Prolife is not a religious belief or issue. Abortion is a matter of life and death for a human being. The taking of a human life is murder, a crime punishable by law. This horrible practice should be absolutely abolished immediately.

pro choice wrote:

A neonate is not really a human being until it can move freely about on its own and feed itself. Until then, it is really no more than a parasitic organism, totally dependent on the woman who birthed it or some other adult human being for sustenance.
A woman should not be forced to sacrifice her personal nourishment to make milk for a neonate. She should not be forced to sacrifice her money to buy formula or other things the neonate might need before it is self-sufficient. A woman should not have to give up her career aspirations or other dreams or desires to care for an unwanted neonate, and she should never be forced to allow some stranger to raise her unwanted neonate just because the stranger cannot have a neonate of its own.
Women should be free to terminate all neonates up until the time that they are deemed self-sufficient by our elected officials. Of course, no one knows exactly when a neonate is self-sufficient, and the time may vary from case to case, so logically that date must be arbitrarily decided by officials. But once the date is set, it should be a legal and protected right for all women to terminate unwanted neonates without judgment or harassment from others.
I believe in all this, because I don't think any woman should be forced to do something she does not want to do, and neonates, as dependent organisms, are not really human after all. And anyone who thinks they are should stay out of it, because we don't want anyone trying to bestow rights on neonates!
(Oh yeah, a neonate... that's a newborn baby. And the difference between a neonate and a legally aborted baby is only a matter of weeks. Many aborted babies are at a more advanced gestational age than preemies who have been delivered and have survived and even thrived. But hey, we really don't want anyone defending those babies, because it is no one else's business, right?)

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Against Abortion wrote:

Prolife is not a religious belief or issue. Abortion is a matter of life and death for a human being. The taking of a human life is murder, a crime punishable by law. This horrible practice should be absolutely abolished immediately.

Concerned wrote:

take birth control so you won't have to worry about this. they are free at the health department so you can't say it was too expensive. also every county has a health department and if you are indian you can go and get it for free from the indian clinic!! Please take the pill so you won't have to kill your baby

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swandive wrote:

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You are almost beyond words.......Do you even know what a neonate is? I don't think you have a very good concept on the matter it's a newborn baby up to 28 days old out of the womb. Your context in which you use the term is incorrect. I am sorry but if you are suggesting is terminate a neonate? That's called murder cause the baby is already out of womb.....
What an oxygen theif....think before you speak cause you're looking pretty dumb from this point.
P.S. The term you are most likely looking for is fetus.

swandive wrote:

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You are almost beyond words.......Do you even know what a neonate is? I don't think you have a very good concept on the matter it's a newborn baby up to 28 days old out of the womb. Your context in which you use the term is incorrect. I am sorry but if you are suggesting is terminate a neonate? That's called murder cause the baby is already out of womb.....
What an oxygen theif....think before you speak cause you're looking pretty dumb from this point.
P.S. The term you are most likely looking for is fetus.

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scott wrote:

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Neonate:
"A newborn infant, especially one less than four weeks old."
Okay? So there is the definition. This swandive person is bored, bitter, and has an issue with everyone. This "swandive" is someone to be ignored. The controversy over abortion will be debated well beyond our personal lifetime. People here are voicing their opinions. Without debate there would be no progress. The problem I have is when people like SWANDIVE take issue with people merely because he/she has personal issues that he/she should deal with on his/her own time.
Now that I've immersed myself in this subject here we go. Are Christians right and Jews wrong? Are the Buddhists right or are Hindu's right. OR>>>> is this all tradition. Is all this religion a human devise that has existed well beyond the birth of Christ? To believe that Christians are saved and everyone else isn't is proof of a persons false reality and total misunderstanding of religion as it is taught by ministers/priests/etc... The truth is that we are here, we need to get along, we need each other all races/sexes/religions/EVERYONE . Thats not to say that we need MORE people. WE ARE OVERPOPULATING and its the delinquent people that are making all the babies. No more Natural Selection, we are breeding at a destructive rate. If a girl/woman wants to abort......GIVE ME A FREAKIN BREAK...LET THE POOR GIRL ABORT!!!! Do you REALLY care about this fetus/neonate/ whatever. DO YOU REALLY CARE!!!??? REALLYY??? No NO NO you dont. These poor people go these sugar coated churches singing Kumbaya around a campfire while the priest molests a boy in the tent next door. The days of being self-ritious are over SWANDIVE!!!!!!!!!! OVER!!!! There are much larger issues at stake like global warming/depleting ecosystems/polar ice-caps/nuclear science/ H1N1 lab created virus scare tactics to pad the pockets of Baxter pharms and politicians. The worlds problems are much bigger than you swandive. Go find your fishing pole and go fishing or something. You are a waste of oxygen.

Miakoda wrote:

This is what happens when stupid uber-religious conservatives hold positions of power. Don't get me wrong, I DO NOT believe abortion should be used as a form of birth control, but this type of legislation infuses too much religious belief into law. I am a firm believer that church and state should be separate!

shovelhead72 wrote:

Let's throw out the legislature, and put every issue to a vote of the people.(The problem with this suggestion, of course, is that we would have time to do nothing but vote 24 hours a day.) This is an onerous and invasive piece of legislation for any woman wishing to obtain an abortion (which is her legal right), for whatever reason she may have for doing so; I hope the lawsuit succeeds. But in this state success on the part of the suit is highly unlikely.

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shovelhead72 wrote:

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Just out of curiosity, where do you stand on the death penalty? According to the standard you have set forth here, the state has been committing murder ever since the death penalty statute became law. Doctors guilty of malpractice, in cases where the patient dies under their care, should be prosecuted for murder under these guidelines. Where does this end?

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shovelhead72 wrote:

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The only type of birth control available for free at the Health Department is condoms. Birth control pills must be prescribed by a physician. They are never "free". In addition, some women incur serious health risks from taking bc pills. These women are prescribed, and fitted with, a diaphragm or IUD. This procedure is never "free" either.