Northstar Rail takes first ride today

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Rob wrote:

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I'm trying to figure out just exactly what it is you are expressing here. I think I agree with you... Those bike trails are a boondoggle as far as I'm concerned. I think we should convert them back to rail, commuter rail at that.

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Rob wrote:

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Let Wisconsin build it's own bridges... but there are approximately 10,000 people who would be "served" by the unneeded bridge. There are already crossings at I-94(with tons of already built infrastructure connecting to the areas that would supposedly be served by a new bridge), Stillwater(if you don't like the existing crossing I suggest you choose another), and Osceola. This bridge ain't about you or your tax dollars going to welfare, my friend. It's about subsidizing land speculators who bought up tons of your precious Wisconsin cheese production acreage that will be scraped clear of topsoil and converted into impermeable surfaces needing municipal services for eternity, sewage producers pumping human shite into the ground from 2.5 acre plots, and baby factories producing screaming occupiers of schools, all requiring much more of your tax money than some mythical welfare recipients... But the welfare recipients will be there, as will other less desirable types such as petty criminals. With development comes people, with people: problems all requiring your tax dollars.

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felix wrote:

<quoted text> project was started in the early 1960's because of correctly foreseen traffic and development. typical unhappy liberal communist democrat who hates people and progress , and himself - an absolute fool

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Jeppy wrote:

You want NorStar to run to St. Cloud and no bridges to Wisconsin, make no sense. Why don't people who want to work in the metro just move to the cities instead of expecting a BILLION dollar train to St. Cloud? I commuted to/from St Cloud and the time wasted in a car or on a train is stupid! Oh you can sleep on a train, so we are building a BILLION DOLLAR hotel on rail?
The bike trails that used to be rail lines could be left alone and make them a one way road during rush hour for new evolving lightweight electric/other fuel vehicles, low speed people movers? Electric low speed vehicles are now built in Minnesota!
All these rail solutions are very expensive to the taxpayer and very inflexible. Note when LRT crashes, kills someone, they bring in busses to move the LRT passengers. So we have an expensive rail with bus backup, stupid and very wastefull.
BTW the existing bike trails could be used for recreational bikeing during off rushhour times, like daytime, weekends and evening through the start of morning rush.

Government is fixated on rail which has limited capacity very expensive build costs and very expensive operation costs, and cannot pay for itself!!!
I think government likes rail because of the availability of kickbacks from the vendors providing the rail components. You know there is no better scam than working for the government with NO ACCOUNTABILTY and having a vendor who wants the business, WILLING TO PAY FOR IT!
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Rob wrote:

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Well, no, actually you're putting the cart before the horse. Roads create development. That's why land speculators want you to fund the bridge to nowhere, so they can make a killing on your tax dollars, laughing their way to the bank while simple minded types fight the unwinnable battles of(I hesitate in your case to legitimize it with such a word) philosophies in the culture wars. But I'm glad that you mentioned the 60's, because that's when(1968) the St. Croix River was designated as one of the eight original National Wild and Scenic Riverways. If we are going to protect things then take a dump all over them, what's the point?

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what makes more sense? put a bunch of people who are all going the same direction in one vehicle or a bunch of vehicles? america's love affair with the automobile is nonsense.. we've been led by the nose into our present sprawl.

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jw in the grove wrote:

<quoted text>doesnt the bridge go over the river? explain how this hurts the river. do u make all your products in your house?

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Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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What makes more sense, assuming everybody's going to the same place at the same time? Or a bunch of individual vehicles that are driven to a location and at a time of one's choosing?
You either believe in freedom or you don't.

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If you believe in freedom, you can't possibly drive a car, because cars while giving you the illusion of freedom make you a slave to oil and car companies and a patsy whose country goes to war to fight for big business.

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Rob wrote:

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Well, no, actually you're putting the cart before the horse. Roads create development. That's why land speculators want you to fund the bridge to nowhere, so they can make a killing on your tax dollars, laughing their way to the bank while simple minded types fight the unwinnable battles of(I hesitate in your case to legitimize it with such a word) philosophies in the culture wars. But I'm glad that you mentioned the 60's, because that's when(1968) the St. Croix River was designated as one of the eight original National Wild and Scenic Riverways. If we are going to protect things then take a dump all over them, what's the point?

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jw in the grove wrote:

<quoted text>why dont you come on over to my house in cottage grove, we can run over to woodbury and get a bite to eat. might have a problem since there is no tracks or routes but you have your freedom.

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felix wrote:

<quoted text> i think you have your head up a horses ****!

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jw in the grove wrote:

<quoted text>Bush is not president anymore, How much oil have we got for this war? In my car i can go anywhere, and when i get there im not reliant on how to find a train to get to a restaurant. yes my freedoms are awful. why dont you come on over to my house in cottage grove, we can run over to woodbury and get a bite to eat. might have a problem since there is no tracks or routes but you have your freedom.

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Rob wrote:

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Well... "dittos, Rush..." er, I mean Felix. But can you express an intelligent thought?

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IrishMN wrote:

Green technology plus a sustainable life style will make our Mother, the Earth, smile.

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felix wrote:

<quoted text> i nailed it ! SH-- HEAD

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felix wrote:

<quoted text> i nailed it ! SH-- HEAD