Drug testing for people on welfare, disability and food stamps

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About time

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Jan 25, 2011
 

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Kentucky signed this bill into law today. Anyone who draws any form of government assistance WILL be drug tested. ANY and ALL drugs in the system WILL show up and the amount that is in the system. They can also detect if you have taken anything to rid your system of the drugs. Maybe this will curve the drug problem a little.
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Jan 25, 2011
 
About time wrote:
Kentucky signed this bill into law today. Anyone who draws any form of government assistance WILL be drug tested. ANY and ALL drugs in the system WILL show up and the amount that is in the system. They can also detect if you have taken anything to rid your system of the drugs. Maybe this will curve the drug problem a little.
this will be very nice. I await the process and I would hope they prosecute those dopers. But then we will have probably have to pay for rehab time for them. I wonder if the regular citizen will ever win this race.
good law

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Jan 26, 2011
 
lets just rejoice in the news that maybe something will finally be done to rid some of the drug abuse in the state and not look for the negative in the law and hpe and pray it works
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Jan 26, 2011
 
I didn't see where this was passed yet. Can you show me where?
From what I have read, it would be random drug testing and if it came back + they would get the benefits and 60 days to get clean. Probably at taxpayers expense.
My concern would be that this only targets the mothers who apply because most of the time the adult males in the home aren't claimed. We all know people who do this. So if the male is the one taking the funds and getting the drugs, how does this help? No system is perfect I know. Random drug testing is stupid. One place I worked had it and the same people kept getting picked, by the computer. I had to go several times myself, and yes I passed.
The people who are doing the drugs know how to beat the system. They do it all the time. I think this will just cost the taxpayers more money in the long run.
Most of this is an opinion. You don't have to agree or read this. Remember that.
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Jan 26, 2011
 
No it didn't pass look it up, it would cost over 7 million in tax dollars if they tested every other person and payed the nurse giving itl look it up and if they put that person in jail it will cost 19k a year to jail one individual
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Jan 26, 2011
 
Thank you. I think someone started this thread hoping for an arguement. I knew the cost would be high. Some people don't think about that, they just want to complain. When taxes went up to pay for the program, they would complain about that too! I wish people would tell where they get their information from. But I guess it wouldn't be any fun that way, would it.
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I don't think it passed, but it sure was a good idea. I am tired of seeing the people who receive assistance use it for drugs.
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Well wrote:
No it didn't pass look it up, it would cost over 7 million in tax dollars if they tested every other person and payed the nurse giving itl look it up and if they put that person in jail it will cost 19k a year to jail one individual
make them pay for test...or lose benefits
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Jan 27, 2011
 
I think it's not a bad idea,but as you've stated,the cost of all the testing, then possible jail time,but the main thing would be the children of the jailed individual,they would be most likely turned over to the state.The Children are the most important part of all this to me,should be to anyone.Just my personal belief.
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If a person is in there trying to get benefits, it usually means they are broke. They wouldn't be able to pay for it, so if they have kids they would be the ones to suffer. I really hope you never get into the position where you you don't have any money and have to ask for help. For a lot of people, not all of them, it is humbling and embarassing enough without some people looking down their noses at you. I have never met anyone who has lived their life so perfect that they should tell someone how to live theirs.
I agree with the last poster that the kids need to be thought of in the long run. And no state custody and foster care are not always the answer.
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And no I am not condoning drug abuse in any way. I am saying have a little empathy. Trust me, judging others has a way of coming back and biting you in the butt.
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I think wrote:
And no I am not condoning drug abuse in any way. I am saying have a little empathy. Trust me, judging others has a way of coming back and biting you in the butt.
So, if they are just broke and have nothing to hide, what's the problem with a drug test? My employer does it. Since I'm now their "employer", I believe they should do the same.
monticello

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Jan 28, 2011
 
kids are doing without now, i know people now going to a store and trading their food stamps for cigs,gas and other things. They should be drug tested and they are the ones that need to pay for the drug test, take it out of their check. If you have a job, you have to be drug tested. And the stores taking food stamps illegal should be put out of bussiness.
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Jan 29, 2011
 
Simple fix, run a criminal check if they have anything more than a few traffic violations such as theft or worse then make them take the test and if they don't have the money up front to pay for it, an easy fix is take it out of there first months benefits then second month around is when the test should come back and they would know if they keep them or not simple as that if anyone can prove my argument wrong try it I don't see how anyone can
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Jan 29, 2011
 
In TN you can't get food stamps if you have a drug conviction unless you go to drug treatment first or if your conviction was before 1995. It may have to be a felony drug conviction, I'm not sure about that. I think the kids can still get medical care.

I agree with drug testing and then a probation period to get cleaned up before they terminate benifits. The reason being is I don't think anything any stricter than that would ever pass. Plus, you would be able to tell who cared enough about their children in order to feed them and who didn't.

As this law is written, I don't think it will ever pass. It simply will cost too much in the short term (even thought it will save money on the long term) and there will be too much worry about kids going hungry and the burden it would place on the foster care system. They won't hardly take a kid out of a home that is in immediate danger as it stands. If they can't manager the children they already have in the system I can't imagine them doing anything that will add to that number.
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An idea which for time has come. If I am subject to random drug tests to keep a job (test away..I've nothing to hide) then certainly, test welfare recipients as well. The bleeding hearts will ask, "what about the children?" Simple. A recipient turns up a dirty test, take the children out of the home. They're obviously engaged in illegal activity there. Not exactly a healthy environment for kids anyway. This problem will never get any better unless we're ready to get tough.
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The idea of drug testing people on government benefits sounds good in theory, but I think we all need to give the whole idea a lot of thought because there are some very serious implications.

I'm sure that the cost of testing would be very high, when you consider the percentage of Kentuckians that receive some type of assistance. The govt. is usually only really interested in the bottom line, so unless you can show that the savings from not giving out the assistance would offset this cost, it's just not going to go anywhere in a vote.

Also, there is a lot of concern about children in the homes that would be affected by this law. There is just no way to make the parents suffer the consequences of losing benefits without making the children suffer along with them. You can argue then that the children should be removed from the homes, but where are we going to put all these children? Who is going to pay for their care? There are already a lot of children needing homes that are still waiting.

Unless Kentuckians are willing to pay more taxes to support this program, it won't ever make it anywhere. It's a great idea on paper, but just not feasible to enforce. It's a serious problem that needs serious thought put into it, and this proposal won't work unless the simple fail the test lose your benefits idea is thought out a little more.
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Jan 29, 2011
 
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If a person is in there trying to get benefits, it usually means they are broke. They wouldn't be able to pay for it, so if they have kids they would be the ones to suffer. I really hope you never get into the position where you you don't have any money and have to ask for help. For a lot of people, not all of them, it is humbling and embarassing enough without some people looking down their noses at you. I have never met anyone who has lived their life so perfect that they should tell someone how to live theirs.
I agree with the last poster that the kids need to be thought of in the long run. And no state custody and foster care are not always the answer.
I for one agree with you. We had to ask for help one time, our worker,if you could call her that, told us/my husband, YOU HAVE A WORK RECORD. WE CAN"T HELP YOU AT THIS TIME> If you had a child under age or were divorced then we could help you. My husband told her in no uncertain terms....I won't leave my wife if I never get anything. And, he also told her ,YOU MAMM CAN GO STRAIGHT TO H###! As you can guess we never got any help, but we've made it anyway.
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Not everyone that gets some type of assistance is a druggie. I get disability now from an injury I had at work by one of my patients. I dont get welfare or food stamps. I am on medication that is prescribed to me by my Family Doctor. Quite frankly, it makes me sick that alot of people think everybody who receives some type of assistance does some type of illegal drugs. This is not true by any means. I would have no problem taking a random drug test whenever I was to be asked. I do however, think that there is a problem with drugs in this town, along with the rest of the world. I dont have a problem with people on some kind of assistance being randomly tested I just dont think that people who do get some type of assistance should be singled out.
test them

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Many people get tested everyday to keep their jobs. Anyone who receives government benefits should have to do the same thing. I don't think everyone who gets assistance is on drugs, but those who are should have to face the consequences. If you can look for drugs, you can work! Yes, I feel sorry for the children who have druggies as parents, but don't you think they would be better off in a different situation? If the parents actually cared about these kids, THEY WOULD NOT BE DOING DRUGS! Everyone talks about how much it would cost. Well if they get all the druggies off government assistance and make them get a job, then it would pretty much pay for itself. I know that some people actually need disability and help from the government to take care of themselves and their families. But many of these people who "need" help are out running the roads everyday looking for some kind of drug. If they aren't looking, they are selling the pills that they are getting with a medical card. I don't know about all of the other hardworking people, but,I, myself get tired of keeping them up.If they don't have anything to hide, then they have nothing to worry about.

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