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Tybalt
Saint Paul, MN
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that should read "h.o.r.s.e. SHIT idea."
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Fed up with bailing out
Minneapolis, MN
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You know, if we can sit here and wonder what is with all the students disappearing - it would seem to be common sense on the part of law enforcement to at least consider the possibility. The thing is, when ever a murder is committed by unknowns like this, it is very difficult to catch them. It sounds like locations/times are spread apart where there isn't a distinct pattern that has developed. But for sure, this particular case - the first thing I ask is, "What's with all these students coming up missing?" If law enforcement isn't asking the same question by now, they certainly should be.
In the meantime, students watch your back and don't walk anywhere by yourself. Until law enforcement catches the individual(s) who are doing this - you're ripe for the picking and at very high risk. Better to be safe then sorry.
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Saint Paul
Jonesboro, AR
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My prayers and thoughts go out to the family during this difficult time. We can all only hope for the best.
I find it sad that all the posts on here are about how irresponsible college kids are. Unfortunately, we all made mistakes when it came to drinking underage and being careless when we were young...or at least most people i knew did. This incident demonstrates How serious it can be, but until all the pieces are together all we can do is pray.
Hopefully this young man will be brought back to his family safely.
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Mohamed
Minneapolis, MN
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This is very sad. The young man may have had too much to drink.
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Fed up with bailing out
Minneapolis, MN
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Mohamed wrote: This is very sad. The young man may have had too much to drink. Or maybe someone wants law enforcement and everyone else to think that way. Also, when you are a diabetic, your system processes alcohol differently then it does with everyone else. Perhaps one drink/beer could have been too much for him to process. By the sounds of it though, if you go by the last time someone talked to him by phone it didn't sound like he was necessarily confused. Many of these disappearances of college men appear to be under suspicious circumstances. I hope one of these disappearances teach other college students that they should stay clear of this area. Better yet, find a way to party safely from now on. Your lives seem to depend on it.
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Tybalt
Saint Paul, MN
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EJM
Saint Paul, MN
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Bob wrote: I know that area of the bluffs very well. It is an extremely dangerous area. I have often wondered why there are not more railings and warnings. It is no place to be after dark, and certainly no place to be when intoxicated. I feel for the family, but I'm afraid there is little hope. My guess is that he fell and was carried away by the swift current. However, nothing would make me happier than to hear he was found and in good health. Extremely dangerous? There is a paved bike path along the bluffs which riders, walkers, skaters take daily. The path is away from the drop, and there are trees that a person would think would break a fall. It's not dangerous if you're sober. The big question is why he walked to the river, which was not his route to his residence. A direct route to his residence would have been north of the party house, not west.
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Fran
Saint Paul, MN
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fruit bat alert wrote: <quoted text>First of all, Honey, as a non catholic mother of a high achieving and lovely STU freshman, let me clue you in. Prevalent underage drinking happens at EVERY college at some level because the 21 year old legal drinking age is a scam, illogical and doesn't work, but that's another topic. Casual sexual encounters? Really? How exactly do YOU know? You make it sound like every student is a skank. You saw someone once in a back seat of a car? Wow. Gee, glad that never happened way back in our day.
I hope with my whole heart this young man can be found safely. Your rant about fixing problems at STU certainly will not help this young man and his family right now or any others in the future. Fruit Bat, Save your patronizing justification for your "lovely" "high-achieving" daughter's underage drinking for someone else. Parents like you are a big part of the problem. Don't like the law or think it's effective? Just disregard it!!! I know of what I speak. I am a healthcare provider in St. Paul who treats an endless number of area college students (without their parents knowledge or use of family's insurance) for a variety of things that would shock you until tomorrow. I am also a landlord who rents to only "lovely" and "high achieving" students attending UST & CSC. Unlike you, I would never refer to any young woman as a "skank". However, the DEGREE of casual partnering by both young men & women (don't worry, most don't date) and binge drinking/alcohol abuse at a Catholic University that touts itself as a promoter of Catholic (not Christian, CATHOLIC) values is almost mind boggling. Lastly, parents having discussions about these very things with their children (drinking & sex, and the parents' EXPECTATIONS that students will abide by the law) WILL help students now & in the future. You're wrong on a lot of fronts here.
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Johnny Burbank
Los Angeles, CA
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The bluffs can be very dangerous...we used to drink up and down those river banks back in the day as under-aged kids. Anywhere from from The Monument down to the Ford Bridge.
The only thing that doesn't make sense to me is how you stumble across River Road all the way to the river. Even "loaded" that's an odd path to track.
I do find the Smiley Face Theory interesting & creepy. However, it is my understanding that killings associated with that group usually occur in the winter months (Dec-Feb), not April.
The only explanation that makes sense to me is that the combination of alcohol & blood sugar problems had this kid completely disoriented. If you have ever dealt with a diabetic crashing...they can lose it quickly.
Thoughts and prayers with him & those who cared for him.
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teresa
Saint Paul, MN
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EJM wrote: <quoted text>
Extremely dangerous? There is a paved bike path along the bluffs which riders, walkers, skaters take daily. The path is away from the drop, and there are trees that a person would think would break a fall. It's not dangerous if you're sober. The big question is why he walked to the river, which was not his route to his residence. A direct route to his residence would have been north of the party house, not west. Well said! The reason he didn't take the logical/direct route home or stay on the path or better yet - stay his butt down & wait for his ride, is because he was very, very TANKED. Something most of the posters on this board chalk about to kids being kids & don't want to say anything critical about it, because it "doesn't help anybody". Bull! This is not about "praying" for his safe return. Jesus isn't hiding him at the seminary/monument or under a tree and waiting for the right number of prayer requests to release him. This kid's life is either over or in grave danger and it all could have been avoided. Let's call it what it is: a terrible, preventable tragedy. Parents - Please address this with your kids of all ages.
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fruit bat alert
Minneapolis, MN
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Fran wrote: <quoted text>
Fruit Bat, Save your patronizing justification for your "lovely" "high-achieving" daughter's underage drinking for someone else. Parents like you are a big part of the problem. Don't like the law or think it's effective? Just disregard it!!! I know of what I speak. I am a healthcare provider in St. Paul who treats an endless number of area college students (without their parents knowledge or use of family's insurance) for a variety of things that would shock you until tomorrow. I am also a landlord who rents to only "lovely" and "high achieving" students attending UST & CSC. Unlike you, I would never refer to any young woman as a "skank". However, the DEGREE of casual partnering by both young men & women (don't worry, most don't date) and binge drinking/alcohol abuse at a Catholic University that touts itself as a promoter of Catholic (not Christian, CATHOLIC) values is almost mind boggling. Lastly, parents having discussions about these very things with their children (drinking & sex, and the parents' EXPECTATIONS that students will abide by the law) WILL help students now & in the future. You're wrong on a lot of fronts here. OK. Read VERY carefully this time. NEVER did I say I justify my "lovely and high achieving" daughters underage drinking. I was referring to the fact that underage drinking on campuses has been going on forever. Reality check. Like it or not. It's not new. Skank refers to what the previous poster was implying of all the students who have all the "casual sexual encounters" she happens to be window peeping on. Read carefully, it helps. By the way, for the last 3 days, many of these horrible sex crazed drunks have been searching for their missing classmate while going to class and doing their homework. I know of which I speak. This thread is about the tragedy of a missing student. I was responding to the pontificating of the former poster's high horse position of the supposed immorality of ALL STU students. I agree with what your position is and commend you for working to help students with their issues. You need a little comprehension skills improvement.
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Mak
Peterborough, NH
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Aside from the drinking aspect this young man has Type 1 diabetes. He wears an insulin pump. If he's fallen and hurt that pump will shut off without being touched for 24hours (its a safety feature).. so by this point he's not getting insulin, with no insulin he's going to end up very very sick very quickly, his life is in danger in more than one way. As a mother of a young child w/ Type 1 diabetes this story hits home, its my (and every parent's) worse nightmare!
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Mak
Peterborough, NH
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anonymous wrote: Last year I was out with a guy who turned out to be diabetic. We were drinking on a hot summer day. Over the course of an hour he went from normal to very bizarre behavior -- highly confused about his surroundings, unable to communicate effectively. At first I thought it was a joke. The group I was in thought of calling the medics, then we learned he was diabetic. We gave him a pop, and 30 min later he was back to normal. My point being, I had previously thought a diabetic having an incident meant they would need to just take a break, sit down for a min. It turned out that a diabetic outbreak can profoundly affect judgment -- like being drunk, but even more confused. I hope this kid just wandered off somewhere and is OK. Often someone with Type 1 diabetes (completely different than type 2 diabetes that we all hear about so much in the media) can have low blood sugar drops that make them confused, incoherant and appear drunk, they can even become combative...the same can happen with high blood sugar.. having blood sugar our of the target range causes your body and brain to act and think differently.. I hope they find this young man soon!!
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Since: Apr 09
Minneapolis, MN
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Please wait...
This article was written on April 5. It is not the 15th of April. His missing status has now passed the point of being dangerous. I don't want to be negative - but that's 10 days.
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Scott
Minneapolis, MN
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Judged:
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Fed up with bailing out wrote: This article was written on April 5. It is not the 15th of April. His missing status has now passed the point of being dangerous. I don't want to be negative - but that's 10 days. He's dead.
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