Minnesota school superintendents say funding system broken

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More than 99 percent of Minnesota school superintendents who responded to a survey said the state's education funding system is broken.
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Carl

Plymouth, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
Broke?!?!
What, isn't getting 50% or more of my tax dollar enough?
Not sure who is a larger parasite on our economy, welfare recipients or the schools.
Pete

Minneapolis, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
Of course the funding system is broken. No one can explain why it cost $16,000 to eductate a child for one year in MPLS
retep

Minneapolis, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
About the only thing Jesse did right...now the schools have to come directly to the citizens. Problem is, they still don't take no for an answer. Maybe we should make another law that says once they have been turned down, they have to wait 3 years to try another levy. It's amazing how the first things to go are teachers and, of course, things the parents think are necessary. How about the 4 layers of management...oh yeah...and the teachers PAC oops union.
JayP

Saint Paul, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
Are they admitting that part of the reason that the funding system is broken is because too much of the money that goes to schools is going to administration??

“Lets work to save the Earth!”

Since: Feb 08

Mankato, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
Minnesota needs to stop throwing money at the education mess and come up with a new plan. We have in real terms increased spending on K-12 by 28%(adjusted for inflation) the past 10 years while our student enrolment numbers have declined. MN spends 2.6 billion on special education and ESL each year. These children are not our future inventors and leaders who are being short changed by Minnesota schools. Parents of Gifted and Talented youths better be wealthy because most districts have the parents pay hundreds of dollars out of their own pockets to have their children tested and then these parents pay thousands more out of their pockets to place these students in accelerated classes at the UofM and elsewhere, yet we spend billions on children who are mentally challenged and inspire to one day clean up after us at McDonalds.
Minnesota needs to break free of Federal mandates that force us to spend 2.6 billion on special education and ESL (Supposedly reimbursed by the Federal Government but has never been so) and use this money to invest in the gifted and talented and “average” student body. We need to stop wasting 19% of our yearly State Education budget on future Wal-Mart greeters and spend it on our future engineers, scientists, and leaders!
VikingFanInAZ

Englewood, CO

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Mar 5, 2008
 
Sounds like this brilliant left-wing survey has come to the conclusion that these Supts want more money? Well, uh....hmmm....isn't that like asking 5 year-olds if they want more sweets?...of course they do! What's the news here? Liberals/state workers/union thugs...wait, those terms are redundant.....will always say the beauracracy they control needs more money from the cash cow which is the taxpayers...that's the very nature of scam they run.
bill m

Saint Paul, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
what a stupid article. It doesn't say anything except that a bunch of liberals say a bunch of liberals think schools don't have enough money. What a shock. We spend too much money on public education for the results we get. Maybe they should ask how much money they want! The Teachers union is destroying education in Minnesota - that doesn't mean the teachers that is the union.
walmart greeter

Saint Paul, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
Mike you are right - said a little harsh - but you are right.
Overtaxed Mom

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Mar 5, 2008
 
Maybe if the MEA would stop using tax payer money to run commercials to guilt us into paying even more taxes or lobbyists they would have a little more money for the schools. Maybe citizens vote no becuase all they hear is "it's for the children" instead of open discussions about where the current money is being spent. We are just supposed to hand it out because "the children" will suffer. How about teaching kids about budgeting & being responsible with money?
Mark

Manchester, CT

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#10
Mar 5, 2008
 
Here we go again. What do you expect when you have an education monopoly that is accountable to nobody...a system that cannot educate anyone...big shock.
Brandon

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#11
Mar 5, 2008
 
Wow, Mankato Mike. Not many people have the guts to say that. But well said. You hit on the real reason that there is never enough money for schools. There isnt enough for 'normal' school things, teachers, books etc. because too much is required to be spent on the bottom of the accademic barel. Trying with all the might possible to do some really noble things. The only problem is that it is happening at the expense of the rest of the barrel.
Not that the bottom of the barrel should be drained out from the barrel, but we need to stop trying to make it into top shelf stuff.
Gimme Money

Minneapolis, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
We spend only $16,000 per student per year in the St. Paul public schools.

How to you educate a class of 25 on only $400,000?

We definitely need more money.
Get_A_Clue

Farmington, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
How many of you know how much the average district spends on administration as a percentage of their total budget? The state average is less than 5% on district administration! How do you think that compares to 3M or Best Buy or BlueCross? Nothing pisses me off more than people complaining about administration costs in schools and not having Clue #1 about how school money is actually spent. The vast majority of money is spent on the people who educate students, which is to say it's used to hire teachers. I can't think of a better way to educate students than with teachers, but if you have another solution, throw it out there. Otherwise, please stop writing about something you obviously haven't taken any time to understand.
public school mom

Minneapolis, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
If you want to see what the real cost of education is, remove education from the state's general budget (and transportation also). Somehow once the money starting flowing into the general fund, there was no state accountability on ensuring monies flowed back to schools. There does need to be accountability by the districts, which seem to be awfully top heavy with "administrators" and the funds do not seem to trickle down to schools. Also, it would be nice if the MEA got rid of all the days off - including the non attended MEA extra long weekend in October. That is a huge waste of my tax dollar!
Bad Policy

Saint Paul, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
I'd say the expense system is broken. Look to the self serving teachers unions for all the waste and unwisely spent funds.
Teacher

Minneapolis, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
They said that the system is broken no the amount. The schools recieve a great deal of their funding through property taxes. A school in an affluent neighborhod is going to recieve more taxes than a poor one. Likewise with school that recieve more tax payments from industry. This should be spread out amoungst all of the students in the state. This isn't a survey to determine whether enough money is being pumped into schools just that the system is broken. Most of the posts here fail to understand that.
GRP

Plymouth, MN

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Mar 5, 2008
 
Get_A_Clue wrote:
How many of you know how much the average district spends on administration as a percentage of their total budget? The state average is less than 5% on district administration! How do you think that compares to 3M or Best Buy or BlueCross? Nothing pisses me off more than people complaining about administration costs in schools and not having Clue #1 about how school money is actually spent. The vast majority of money is spent on the people who educate students, which is to say it's used to hire teachers. I can't think of a better way to educate students than with teachers, but if you have another solution, throw it out there. Otherwise, please stop writing about something you obviously haven't taken any time to understand.
I'[ve read my districts budget Anoka-Hennepin. Your percent is understated. Second, the issue is not that teachers might be good approach. The issue is the overall amount money allocated to education - K-12 funding has exceeded inflation by over 100% in the last decade or so - source MN Dept of Ed. Teachers salary increases are based on years of experience and their education credits - NOT their effectiveness and performance. They can retire with a full pension at 55 and have lifetime free medical benefits. The funding model is broken and the MEA and school districts have no incentive to fix it. Do you know the MEA has 58 lobbyists pounding on the legislature? The company / organizations with the next greatest number of lobbyists is Target and United Health -$50 and $80 billion companies with 9 and 8 respective. Just think if the money those lobbyiest spent were devoted to fixing the process instead with trying to get more money to perpetuate a failed business model. There's a solution....
level headed professor

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#18
Mar 5, 2008
 
The largest problem with the education system is the government monopoly on it. Parents need to be given the option of where the education money allocated to their children should be spent. Competition in the education system will bring out the excellence in teachers who can then raise the level of teaching. Many wonderful teachers should be compensated more highly for their skill but the union and government monopoly prevent reward longevity rather than perfomance.
Concerned Parent

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#19
Mar 5, 2008
 
Why don't they take the lottery proceeds and use a portion of that for funding eduction?? The environment has lived off the "fat cat" lottery long enough. It is ridiculous that the money continues to be spent on the environment when you won't have educated citizens to enjoy and preserve it in the future!
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#20
Mar 5, 2008
 
addendum, by the way, I may be in Bradenton, FL, but have lived my life in Minnesota and am very concerned about the education system and my relatives who are still using it.

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