Minnesota lawmaker: No funds to pirate lovers

Arghhh wrote:

Marty the pirate fighter. Quick to jump on PR story to appear important. Where is Marshall, MN?

Actually a company in Marshall (SW Minnesota) sells food items in grocery stores all over the United States. It started as Schwan's Delivery and now Red Baron, Tony's and Freshetta Pizza's all come from that Marshall, MN company.
It has nothing to do with our Minnesota pirate fighter, but it does answer your question.

Observer wrote:

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Since he's being tried in the US by civilian courts, yes, they still apply.

Why the heck would you stick up for this guy?! He held an American citizen hostage and almost killed him!! If it was the other way around Im sure you would want to throw him in prison. They should have just took them all out. Thats the only thing these people know is violence and its the only thing that can stop these idiots!

Hey Marty, enough grandstanding. What, your name hasn't been in the news enough this session? This is small potatoes with what's going on at the legislature. The clock is ticking down to the end of the session. You must have a budget agreement already then? Sit down with the democrats and hammer something out, then worry about somebody helping someone from their native country who's a teenage pirate. This is typical crap for the early part of the legislative session, not the end.

You will be seeing Abdiwali at a Walmart or cab stand near you.

Arrrgh Matey!

Oh... who is that lawmaker sailing out to sea?
(Siefert! Squarepants!)

A grandstanding dodger of state issues is he...
(Siefert! Squarepants!)

When real legislation complicates his small mind
(Siefert! Squarepants!)

He pulls out a non-issue, the xenophobic kind!
(Siefert! Squarepants!)

EVERYBODY...

SIEFERT, SQUAREPANTS

SIEFERT, SQUAREPANTS

SIEFERT! SQUAREPANTS!

Observer wrote:

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The "principle" is supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty." Look it up.
Seifert is not limiting his idiotic grandstanding to limiting state funds, he also wants to strip groups of their non-profit status if they support terrorism. So all you "right-to-life" folks who stuck up for the guy who rammed his truck into Planned Parenthood had better hope this doesn't pass.

innocent until proven guilty? do you think he was fishing with the captain?

shark bait would have been the way to go

Shiver me timbers! Why I'll keelhaul that landlubber Siefert faster than you can say Little Johhny 'arkins!

Observer wrote:

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The "principle" is supposed to be "innocent until proven guilty." Look it up.
Seifert is not limiting his idiotic grandstanding to limiting state funds, he also wants to strip groups of their non-profit status if they support terrorism. So all you "right-to-life" folks who stuck up for the guy who rammed his truck into Planned Parenthood had better hope this doesn't pass.

No, the principle is that the taxpayers of Minnesota shouldn't have to be paying for the legal defense of foreign nationals. Look it up.

I think they want him on probation driving a cab after he turns eighteen. He'll want to hold his cab passengers for ransom though.

Dump him back.

Omar Jamal, director of the nonprofit Somali Justice Advocacy Center, said the parents of Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse asked Jamal for help. Jamal said today he's not weighing in on the guilt or innocence of the teen, but his role is to help the family understand the legal system.

"We act as an intermediary between the system and the community," Jamal said. "In this case we are trying to help the family understand what's going on here." He noted that because of the circumstances back in Somalia, the family thinks Muse could be executed by a firing squad."

Ok...the parents live here, and their 16 year old son is/was back in Somalia as a pirate attacking American ships. Obviously the son, 16 or not, was emancipated from family control and functioning as an independent adult.
Jamal, by hiring an attorney for the kid is "Helping the family understand" the legal system? Sounds like a bit of overkill. "Helping....." doesn't need to extend to securing representation.
What really seems to be happening here is one Somali national assisting another despite the obvious crime against the "helper's" adopted country. So where do the loyalties lie?
I also wonder about the family. Did they know of their son's activities? Did they benefit? We've got no information on that of course.
This is one of the few times I agree with a Republican-despite the pressing priorities of the legislature and Seifert's potential motives, I wholeheartedly agree he did the right thing. This child/man is entitled to representation, of course, but not at taxpayer expense.

I knew it had to be a Republican lawmaker that came up with this time waster before I even read the article.

Susie wrote:

Omar Jamal, director of the nonprofit Somali Justice Advocacy Center, said the parents of Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse asked Jamal for help. Jamal said today he's not weighing in on the guilt or innocence of the teen, but his role is to help the family understand the legal system.
"We act as an intermediary between the system and the community," Jamal said. "In this case we are trying to help the family understand what's going on here." He noted that because of the circumstances back in Somalia, the family thinks Muse could be executed by a firing squad."
Ok...the parents live here, and their 16 year old son is/was back in Somalia as a pirate attacking American ships. Obviously the son, 16 or not, was emancipated from family control and functioning as an independent adult.
Jamal, by hiring an attorney for the kid is "Helping the family understand" the legal system? Sounds like a bit of overkill. "Helping....." doesn't need to extend to securing representation.
What really seems to be happening here is one Somali national assisting another despite the obvious crime against the "helper's" adopted country. So where do the loyalties lie?
I also wonder about the family. Did they know of their son's activities? Did they benefit? We've got no information on that of course.
This is one of the few times I agree with a Republican-despite the pressing priorities of the legislature and Seifert's potential motives, I wholeheartedly agree he did the right thing. This child/man is entitled to representation, of course, but not at taxpayer expense.

Hi Susie- I'm with you. My guess is that one way or another the taxpayer will pay for the whole sorry episode.
From the pirate attack, to the Navy taking charge, all the way through the trial, sentencing and jail time. And the
Somali Justice Advocacy Center isn't funded by the Somali government or the Somali community. All the lawyers on both sides, the Court, Police protection and on
and on, will all be paid for by us. It will be a multimillion $
expense. That's depressing when revenue is lacking.

After this experience, I hope the snipers take one more shot instead of accepting surrender. The guy is a pirate.
Next time, save everyone the time and trouble. Give the
saying- take no prisoners- some real meaning.

Susie wrote:

Omar Jamal, director of the nonprofit Somali Justice Advocacy Center, said the parents of Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse asked Jamal for help. Jamal said today he's not weighing in on the guilt or innocence of the teen, but his role is to help the family understand the legal system.
"We act as an intermediary between the system and the community," Jamal said. "In this case we are trying to help the family understand what's going on here." He noted that because of the circumstances back in Somalia, the family thinks Muse could be executed by a firing squad."
Ok...the parents live here, and their 16 year old son is/was back in Somalia as a pirate attacking American ships. Obviously the son, 16 or not, was emancipated from family control and functioning as an independent adult.
Jamal, by hiring an attorney for the kid is "Helping the family understand" the legal system? Sounds like a bit of overkill. "Helping....." doesn't need to extend to securing representation.
What really seems to be happening here is one Somali national assisting another despite the obvious crime against the "helper's" adopted country. So where do the loyalties lie?
I also wonder about the family. Did they know of their son's activities? Did they benefit? We've got no information on that of course.
This is one of the few times I agree with a Republican-despite the pressing priorities of the legislature and Seifert's potential motives, I wholeheartedly agree he did the right thing. This child/man is entitled to representation, of course, but not at taxpayer expense.

His parents do not live here they live in Somalia.

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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It's called principle. Look it up.

Now you have principles? Is torture an American principle?

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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No, the principle is that the taxpayers of Minnesota shouldn't have to be paying for the legal defense of foreign nationals. Look it up.

Where would I look it up--Wikistupidity?

Try real hard to focus: no one said Minnesota tax money is going for his defense.

vosrayh wrote:

<quoted text>Why the heck would you stick up for this guy?! He held an American citizen hostage and almost killed him!! If it was the other way around Im sure you would want to throw him in prison. They should have just took them all out. Thats the only thing these people know is violence and its the only thing that can stop these idiots!

Who is sticking up for him? I'm sticking up for the COnstitution and basic principles of justice.

While they're going after Omar Jamal, they should also go after Hennepin County Judge Steve Aldrich who lowered the bail of Ibrahim Abdullahi Mohamed, accused at shooting another Somali mail and then exchanging gunfire with the gang cops who arrested him. Judge Aldrich felt the $1 million bail was too harsh for attempted murder, so he lowered it to $50,000 which the defendant could make.

sorb wrote:

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Now you have principles? Is torture an American principle?

Define torture. Can't, or won't do it? Then don't lip off.