Lakeville police surprise sleeping man with 3 a.m. reminder to ...

I would guess most of the possitive comments are coming from law enforcement community. I think its silly they try and insult us by think ing that their are that many that stand with them on this. And please, to all of you that are crying about the garage door open, everyone of you, everyone, has done that sometime in your life. I thought they wrang the doorbell, could be wrong but Im sure that would have done the trick, or, they lied, imagine that? Id have that doorbell tested for prints!

Jim wrote:

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I completely agree Sarah. Lets take this defending of our right one step further. When some cracked out person breaks into a private citizen's house and is killing their children, the police can wait until a judge issues a warrant for them to enter and assist. That way everyone's personal liberties are preserved.

WHERE IN TE WHOLE UNITED STATES ARE PEOPLE BREAKING IN AND KILLING CHILDREN!!???? NOWHERE!!! Stop being so paranoid.

You have nothing to fear but fear itself.

Don't tread on me.

Give me liberty or give me death.

Live free or die.

Minor burglaries and breakins do not require this gestapo style policing. The people of Minnesota need to wake up and stop fearing each other.

5 year old kids downstairs, fell asleep, doors unlocked, garage open, keys in vehicle, parent upstairs, what part of parent upstairs don't you people understand, 5 & 7 year olds downstairs alone, the parent! the big Man! might as well have not been home at all, this is clear child endangerment and he should be charged, where is child protection? if the parent was not there those children would have been taken away immediately, Parent sleeping upstairs is it not the same thing? THESE ARE 5YEAR OLDS AND 1 7YEAR OLD!!!!!!!!!!

gibby wrote:

Hey Speedy, These were 5 year olds, you mean to tell me you would leave your 5 year olds alone downstairs with the TV on wide awake and just go to bed and not lock the doors?, you need to be arrested for child endangerment

Gibby,

I feel sorry for your children that you are teaching them to be afraid in their own house. It is not child endangerment for cousins to have a sleepover together in the family room. Millions of families do it everyday at birthdays, on vacation or anytime. You are judgemental and just mental if you think children are only safe when locked in their bedrooms. I am sending my children to sleep away camp this week to sleep out in the woods with strangers...I guess you better lock me up too.

Troy ...do not let this go, fight it.

I sure pray all of you who are concerned about yourselves and your liberty are not responsibe for the safety of any little children, I bet you are concerned about the right to bear arms too, that is what is wrong with this world its me me me, do you worry about your childrens safety with a gun in the house? but you feel its okay to leave the doors unlocked and leave the little ones downstairs while you sleep safely upstairs because you have rights/freedom etc

missing blue skies wrote:

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WHERE IN TE WHOLE UNITED STATES ARE PEOPLE BREAKING IN AND KILLING CHILDREN!!???? NOWHERE!!! Stop being so paranoid.
You have nothing to fear but fear itself.
Don't tread on me.
Give me liberty or give me death.
Live free or die.
Minor burglaries and breakins do not require this gestapo style policing. The people of Minnesota need to wake up and stop fearing each other.

I am not being paranoid you moron...I realize that no children are being killed on a daily basis. The point I was making is the police need to be able to serve and protect without all this armchair quarterbacking we have going on.

Jim,

You are wacked. Troy did not call 911 seeking assistance.

There is a Minnesota Supreme Court case that was just decided six months ago (Minnesota vs. Susan Ranae Jackson). It had to do with nighttime warrants. People shouls read it nti understand what it means to have the RIGHT to SLEEP. Here is a linke to the case
http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn.us/archive/sup...

I spoke with Sgt. Puncochar about the incident and expressed my concern about the actions of the Lakeville police violating Troy's rights. The Sgt. made no apologies for the actions of the officiers and justified the warrantless entry into Troy's house. I then called the Pioneer Press with the story.

The Lakeville police came BACK to Troy's house after they got a call from the Pioneer Press and tried to explain things away with a "new story" of what happened. Still no apology.

It is my understanding that Troy is going to seek CHANGE in the written policies of the Lakeville police department, retraining of the officiers of the meaning of the constitutions and an APOLOGY.

Hopefully the Pioneer Press will do a follow-up story and we will see if the Lakeville police have a problem with being retrained in the meaning of the constitutions.

Minneapolis, brutal slaying of Mother and 10 year old son, drugs involved? probably, but remember the criminals go to the suburbs to rob the good stuff, the big city is so crummy they don't have the good stuff in their own neighborhood, and they know the dummys in the suburbs think they are safe and don't lock up, so you better all pray when the hit you that they are not high on drugs so you and your loved ones are not brutally killed just for the hell of it

gibby wrote:

I sure pray all of you who are concerned about yourselves and your liberty are not responsibe for the safety of any little children, I bet you are concerned about the right to bear arms too, that is what is wrong with this world its me me me, do you worry about your childrens safety with a gun in the house? but you feel its okay to leave the doors unlocked and leave the little ones downstairs while you sleep safely upstairs because you have rights/freedom etc

What we are saying is, it is not a CRIME to leave the door unlocked. Yes, it is wise to lock the doors, just like it is wise to have your children eat 5 serving of fruits and veggies. Troy says the front door was not even open at all. This is a breach of the LAW.

What about people who have carports, they have not secured thier vehicles, are the police going to harrass them too?

Personally I stand behind Troy. He did nothing wrong. He has the right to leave his doors unlocked, open and his children in the livingroom watching TV. If another adult entrusted their children to him, and he chose to let them stay up, so be it - nothing happened but a couple of storm trooper wanna bes showing those children how horrible our government is. The LPD made a poor choice.
My father left his garage open in NE Minneapolis last week, with thousands in tools left out for anyone to take. No police stopped by and woke him up. In fact, he leaves his house open/unlocked all of the time. Why? Because he has a right to and he's not afraid - He's not afraid because we apparenlty have police officers that are out protecting his right to leave his doors open by arresting individuals committing illegal acts. I would bet my life though, if a police officer walked into his house at 3 am because his garage door was open, he's shoot first and ask questions later and he's a huge supporter of the state.

Jim wrote:

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I am not being paranoid you moron...I realize that no children are being killed on a daily basis. The point I was making is the police need to be able to serve and protect without all this armchair quarterbacking we have going on.

I am not a moron and am sorry if I hurt your feelings. Please forgive me.

Hey missing, no one is saying lock your children in their bedrooms and yes you should be safe in your own home but that is not the reality, and no one is saying not to do sleep overs, what I am saying is be a responsible adult/parent/man and lock the doors and don/t leave them downstairs while you are upstairs, 5 year olds still need a bedtime and the parent going to bed before the 5 year olds, they were getting sleeping and you would know this because you don't leave them and go upstairs for the night, you tuck them in upstairs before you go to bed, and THE DOORS ARE LOCKED FOR THE NIGHT!!!!. THESE ARE 5 YEAR OLDS NOT TEENAGERS ON A OVERNIGHT!!!!!!!! SLEEP OVERS IS NOT CHILD ENDANGERMENT MORON ITS LEAVING THEM ALONE- 5 YEAR OLDS AND GOING UP TO BED FOR THE NIGHT, WHAT KIND OF PARENT ARE YOU!! I HOPE YOUR NOT, ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS THIS MAN WHO WENT UP TO SLEEP AND LEFT SMALL CHILDREN AWAKE WATCHING TV AND ALONE, BUT YOUR A MALE AREN'T YOU, WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT FROM A GUY

The city of Lakeville better start settlement talks.

Everyone needs to read this Minnesota Supreme Court decision. It was filed Dec. 6th 2007.

http://www.lawlibrary.state.mn us/archive/supct/0712/OPA05024 7-1206.htm

The only evidence for probable cause would be an open garage door. This is not going to meet any standard of probable cause in the slightest.

City of Lakeville. You better be nice and settle soon.

To the police: You know better. In my book this was intentional harrasement.

I would like to say a few things about this whole subject. Yes, I think Troy did do a few error's of judgement. But has not a lot of parents out there. we are only human. I would like to know why the police entered the property in the first place. If you are driving down the street and you see a garage door open. Why did they not go to the front door or call the house to see if everything is ok. I think the police are going to far. Here is an example of the West Saint Paul Police. My husband and I where sleeping 3:00am in an apartment with security. All of a sudden Police are banging on our door. My husband answers the door, they pull him out of the apartment,(with guns pointed to his head) checks him for a weapon, and then walks into the apartment and shines the flashlight in my eyes. As they are shining the flashlight and getting ready to search the apartment, they get a call and say wrong apartment. And just left saying nothing. Come to find out they should have been two apartment complexs away from us.

So yes, I think the police have at times taken things to far.

I could never leave 3 five year olds and one 7 year old alone downstairs and I sleep upstairs, I would never sleep, even if the doors are locked, while I am asleep and one or more wakes up and gets into what? looking for food, trying to cook some food, what other things could they get into in your house, while you sleep upstairs, yes even upstairs if they wake up they could get into stuff, but your more likely to hear them if they get up near you than all the way downstairs, this guy should consider himself lucky the place didn't start on fire or something, or one of the kids wandered outside during the noc, so many things could of happened that he would not know cause he is not near the small children, and some were not even his but he was responsible for, sleepover for small children they should be upstairs with you for the night, or you should be on the couch asleep or something, near them for the night

Missing, I am not teaching my children to be afraid, where do you pull this from your ass? Missing blue skies isn't all your missing

Hey topck, it was not just the garage was open, the keys were in the vehicle, he was in a hurry into the house because? or taken in? he left his keys behind in the vehicle and the door to house was unlocked, I would say that is very suspicious and if there was say someone in their robbing or something if this was your house you would be praying that the police would show up and save your butt

gibby wrote:

Missing, I am not teaching my children to be afraid, where do you pull this from your ass? Missing blue skies isn't all your missing

Dear Gibby,

I did not mean you were teaching your children to fear. I said it was something I was doing. I am trying to teach my children to not be afraid...i never said you were doing the opposite. The most common phrase in the Bible is Be not afraid. Nothing on earth can hurt you. That is what I meant. Boy, you read me wrong. I thought my post was very friendly in tone, I even told you how I agreed with you. I even confided about my own family. I regret posting here now. It was fascinating reading the different perspectives and persuasive arguments, but when ideas run out..vulgarity steps in. I am very sorry if you misunderstood me. One person calls me a moron and you use a vulgar phrase about my ideas. I am disappointed in the discourse. I would never have insulted your name either. I think it is cute.

I hope you have I nice day and God Bless.

Good bye

Unconstitutional wrote:

I am a woman who sleeps in the buff. I do not want to be awakened by two cops in my bedroom. My husband and I have weapons in our home, as well as a watchdog, to protect ourselves from intruders. I would hate to hear an intruder, grab a firearm, and point it at a police officer. The consequences would not be good for either one of us. The cops stepped over the line and their decision to enter a private home without a search warrant or probable cause was intrusive and dangerous. Someone could have been badly hurt because of their poor judgment.

Why oh why do people whip out the it's unconstitutional argument every time they don't like something? A door ajar is probable cause to any reasonable law enforcement officer, in that location and time. Bravo to the police for doing their job and doing it well. Instead of whining like a big baby this guy should have been grateful.

Molde wouldn't know if the door was ajar or not, since he lacks the common sense to lock his doors, and leaves keys in the ignition of a motor vehicle while children are around. Hey Molde, why don't you leave a loaded pistol out too?

Molde screwed up, he got called on it, they made him look incompetent and they got the drop on him. That's a small price to pay vs getting stabbed, raped and robbed. Thank God your kids were not harmed.