Pawlenty: Time to slash business taxes and keep other taxes the...

Jesse M wrote:

More and more of the same. This is a method that has been tried over and over again for years now and seeing how booming our economy is right now it must work well!!
In theory this is a nice idea but what has happened in practice is the people who get the tax breaks hoard the cash afterwards for personal gain verses creating jobs or the "Good of the Country". Over the past half decade or so the same tax policies have been in place across the country while employment decreased. It was a good idea that didn't work, lets stop using it and think of something new.
In my opinion, a more effective way to get the tax breaks to work for the economy is by giving them to people that can't afford to not use the extra cash. You give it to the poor and they will in turn spend it at retailers. Therefore creating more demand. Now I am not an expert but creating more demand would mean more supply is needed therefore more jobs to create that supply.
My point here is that when something doesn't work try a new solution, and maybe that new idea is working the other end of the economic food chain.

You give someone a fish to eat and then are what? Hungry after the fish is gone, unless you keep giving them welfare(fish). You give them the opportunity to learn how to fish they can survive. It's pretty simple really. Welfare builds more welfare and dependence. We in the business sector depend on training and employing folks to earn a living. I have yet to see a poor person create a job. Perhaps you've seen that happen? The only thing created when you keep giving out more of our hard earned tax money is govt employees to dispense it. And you know, they don't make our economy better they drain it. And it's a never ending cycle. 17 of 25 departments in MN are hiring more people this year. Do we really need more govt? Nope.

I am 100% behind on the business tax cuts proposed by the Govenor. I was just reading that IBM instead of expanding in Rochester, is going to open a new Technology Center in Dubuque IA, because their business taxes are much better. They hope to add 1500 new jobs by 2010.
The high business taxes in this State are driving and keeping business's away.
Cut the Welfare programs and a lot of problems will be solved.

Ack wrote:

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JOBS are trickle-down economics. It has pretty much worked all through history that you get jobs from wealthy people, not poor ones.

Please do not confuse these morons with facts.

Liberals, get a grip! Cutting the state budget is not the end of the world. We will go on, and we will ultimately emerge a better, stronger more competitive state. Enough witht he the scare tactics, hsyteria and personal attacks on the governor - life as we know it will not cease just becasue the state has to trim some programs.

How can he say taxes will not go up..Mine have been going up for many years, not counting the increase in fees. When will the idiots running this state learn to CUT SPENDING!!!!!

Here's a question for the pro-tax crowd. If I'm starting a business that I think will be very succesful, should I locate that business in high-tax Minnesota, or should I go over the border to South Dakota with no personal or corporate income tax? Now, lob all the insults you want to about South Dakota, but the fact is they have a very capable work force there. I love Minesota, but to me this is not even a hard decision to make - my business will be in South Dakota. Our heavy tax burden costs this state jobs. Jobs that people use to pay taxes for things likes schools and parks. The propensity of our DFL legislators to favor tax increases (like increasing the tax on the "rich" business owner in my example) is a job-killer. We don't need to have the highest tax rates in the country - we need to have good jobs.

IF THE STATE WOULD REGULATE THE COST OF HEALTH INSURANCE PREMIUMS THAT COMPANIES HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR EMPLOYEES, THE STATE WOULD NOT HAVE TO GIVE BUSINESSES A TAX BRECK. BUT THEY WOULD NOT DO THAT BECAUSE THE iNSURANCE COMPANIES HAVE TO MUCH OF AN INFLUENCE IN THE STATE LEGISLATION.

corporate welfare (example NWA) is justas harmful as social programs

Basically all the state programs need to go on a fiscal diet, some more than others. First on the list is education, this is the biggest blackhole out there for waste and feel good programs. The monies wasted on the illegals, retarded or "I don't wanna learn" kids will educate thousands of those who want and can learn. Why should kids and teachers have every dead president day off? Why must we build these fancy over priced schools?$50 million for a new school, couldn't it be added onto or are the districts trying to be like pro ball teams demanding a new stadium every few years? No I don't have the facts and figures at my finger tips over all of this but my god we gotta start trimming costs now and hard. Well gotta go, break is over, nice chatting with ya

Wake Up wrote:

<quoted text>You give someone a fish to eat and then are what? Hungry after the fish is gone, unless you keep giving them welfare(fish). You give them the opportunity to learn how to fish they can survive. It's pretty simple really. Welfare builds more welfare and dependence. We in the business sector depend on training and employing folks to earn a living. I have yet to see a poor person create a job. Perhaps you've seen that happen? The only thing created when you keep giving out more of our hard earned tax money is govt employees to dispense it. And you know, they don't make our economy better they drain it. And it's a never ending cycle. 17 of 25 departments in MN are hiring more people this year. Do we really need more govt? Nope.

I am in no way proposing welfare. My point as I clearly stated in my original post
"My point here is that when something doesn't work try a new solution"
I agree with you 100% percent that teaching and training is better than providing. But doing the same thing over and over is insanity.
Lets get a new idea on the table. Try another approach.
At the very least lets see some regulations (I know this is a hated word) tied to these tax breaks. Because the declining employment rate in the past decade proves that these tax breaks are not being used as they were intended. Why not tie the tax breaks not to the income a person or entity generates but to the jobs they create. The more jobs they create the more breaks they receive.
Simply put the honor system is NOT working here. Giving tax breaks to wealth was a good plan but didn't work. Lets try something new, whatever it is!

Employers Cut as many Jobs as you can in Minnesota!
The State Government is out of Control with spending. The people of Mn keep electing the Same Tax and Spend crap, You can Stop the High Tax Rate your Company in Mn. Layoff as many people as you can! Let the Government deal with Over Spending!
CUT THE FAT! LAYOFF MN WORKERS!!!

Does the Governor think these business tax breaks will make companies bring jobs back from China? Won't happen. The trickle has always stopped in the first fat pocket. Think bonuses paid after bailout. Think Madoff and Petters. Think greed. That's what trickle down economics has fed for the last twenty five years.

Once again, T Po A-s-s Governor is using the state's crisis to give our state's wealthy people another go round of tax cuts. When will this moron learn. You can not cut revenue during a fiscal time when you're ledgers have you deep in the red! He's about to make the state's situation worse all for the sake of playing politics and a potential run for the Presidency. He's the biggest joke we've had as governor in a long long time, and I hope somebody, anybody, will defeat him in 2010.

Local Union Employers wrote:

Employers Cut as many Jobs as you can in Minnesota!
The State Government is out of Control with spending. The people of Mn keep electing the Same Tax and Spend crap, You can Stop the High Tax Rate your Company in Mn. Layoff as many people as you can! Let the Government deal with Over Spending!
CUT THE FAT! LAYOFF MN WORKERS!!!

We are not out of control with spending. And you certainly can not cut revenue when revenue is what will be needed to make up the 5 billion dollar shortfall we have now. If we do what this moron proposes, we won't have a government at all.

By the way, has anybody asked Governor Pawlenty to take a pay cut to help with this crisis? We are spending quite a bit on his salary? Would he even take a pay cut? The answer of course is clearly no.

"You need to get your head out of your democrat biased butt and see this is exactly what has caused this mess, DEMOCRATS that know nothing about business, just taxes".
I will try but you continue to keep head up the Republicans butt. Democrats TAX and SPEND. REPUBLICANS DON'T TAX BUT SPEND...GET IT!!
Are you telling me that all the tax cuts are working?
If you want to bring up Slick Willie, there is not one generous word about the economy dduring his time. How come? Why did not you bring up Reagan and the way he raided the Social Security fund? Maybe you have a better answer...Maybe Carter told Reagan to raid it? Come on....
"NO gov't is expanding. And now you represent 52% of all jobs in this state. Do we really need half the people in this state working for the govt"
Voodoo economics..you sound so much like Bush when you talk numbers? Where are you getting these numbers from..and are you just bashing me becasue I am correct?
Your numbers are totally cooked up, buddy. 52% of all jobs are state jobs? If that happened do you think Pawlenty would have been elected Governor again? The state Unions (call them to verify) have about 80,000 members...so according to your calculations the state has only 160,000 jobs more or less? Really? I need to check that and tell my friend that he is lucky to have a state job...
Please do not write just because you want to write trash but please provide us with correct numbers if you can...becasue yours are just cooked up as your business books...

why does salisbury continue to drag out his coharts, poemiller etal to respnd to the gov. the gov is in touch with the people of minnesota far more than pogemiller (the man who has never seen a tax he did not like and want to raise more)eliot seide etc and SALISBURY this hack passes himself off as a reporter when he nothing but a shill for the democrats.
Pawlenty is finally going after the do nothings in government. We the citizens give the gov high approval and the legislators get no support except from the state county employees in other words ASPME.
pogemiller shared sacrifice ????? that is a buzz word for tax increases on the wealthy. who is wealthy those making more than $50,000 per year.
These government employees can retire at 50 with full pay and benefits for life including life health insurance while the rest of us in the private scetor have to safe and spend our hard earned dollars while these lazy state empolyees just get fatter and fatter
Let all cancel our st paul paper to force it to fire the likes of lien salisbury stasseburger and orrick. then when the hire middle of the road reporters we can then subscribe. They are going the way of the star

The trickle is frozen wrote:

Does the Governor think these business tax breaks will make companies bring jobs back from China? Won't happen. The trickle has always stopped in the first fat pocket. Think bonuses paid after bailout. Think Madoff and Petters. Think greed. That's what trickle down economics has fed for the last twenty five years.

You are an uninformed person. do not equate petters or madoff to anything these are criminals. why do you not throw a few murders in the mix. the bailout well that was caused because of the actions of your favorite democraps frank and dodd.read something instead of throwing out the typical democrap talking points

No Sense Dems Continue wrote:

<quoted text>You can't be that stupid or are you? This mess is from business tax cuts? How about Fannie and Freddie? How about the massive amount of loans made possible to people that can't pay them back? How about Obama and community organizers suing banks due to the 1977 Community Reinvestment Act to get more housing to poor folks via making banks make bad loans? How about Slick Willie in 1998 accelerating this Act? Or how about Fannie and Freddie being made to take on the responsibility for the bad loans? Or how about Barney Frank and the rest of the loser dems that even in June 2008 said the "sky was not falling and all is well"?
You need to get your head out of your democrat biased butt and see this is exactly what has caused this mess, DEMOCRATS that know nothing about business, just taxes. And gov't employees that seem to think they are the cream of society? They are no better. But let's be fair, we in the business sector have to plan and budget. Govt employees are privy to figure out how much to give everyone, including built in raises to themselves, and then pass their increase on to us, the workers. You don't make money pal, you only take it from those that do. And in a down economy are you cutting back? NO gov't is expanding. And now you represent 52% of all jobs in this state. Do we really need half the people in this state working for the govt? Who needs that kind of representation? No one.

Before you rant about democrats being the reason behind the Fannie and Freddie debacle, maybe you should do some research and see who is really behind that mess- none other than Phil Gramm, REPUBLICAN. Do some research and see for yourself, and then quit your complaining about democrats and complain about who deserves it, republicans.

Lawrence of St Paul wrote:

Once again, T Po A-s-s Governor is using the state's crisis to give our state's wealthy people another go round of tax cuts. When will this moron learn. You can not cut revenue during a fiscal time when you're ledgers have you deep in the red! He's about to make the state's situation worse all for the sake of playing politics and a potential run for the Presidency. He's the biggest joke we've had as governor in a long long time, and I hope somebody, anybody, will defeat him in 2010.

lawrence i supect that you are pogemiller. I have a tip for you do not vote for pawlenty next time oh wait you did not last time well you lost fool. this approval rating is much higher than you and your political cronies

To No sense Dems wrote:

"You need to get your head out of your democrat biased butt and see this is exactly what has caused this mess, DEMOCRATS that know nothing about business, just taxes".
I will try but you continue to keep head up the Republicans butt. Democrats TAX and SPEND. REPUBLICANS DON'T TAX BUT SPEND...GET IT!!
Are you telling me that all the tax cuts are working?
If you want to bring up Slick Willie, there is not one generous word about the economy dduring his time. How come? Why did not you bring up Reagan and the way he raided the Social Security fund? Maybe you have a better answer...Maybe Carter told Reagan to raid it? Come on....
"NO gov't is expanding. And now you represent 52% of all jobs in this state. Do we really need half the people in this state working for the govt"
Voodoo economics..you sound so much like Bush when you talk numbers? Where are you getting these numbers from..and are you just bashing me becasue I am correct?
Your numbers are totally cooked up, buddy. 52% of all jobs are state jobs? If that happened do you think Pawlenty would have been elected Governor again? The state Unions (call them to verify) have about 80,000 members...so according to your calculations the state has only 160,000 jobs more or less? Really? I need to check that and tell my friend that he is lucky to have a state job...
Please do not write just because you want to write trash but please provide us with correct numbers if you can...becasue yours are just cooked up as your business books...

If you really have a problem with the number of people working for the government, ask your Republican legislators and your Republican Governor to take a pay cut. They are, after all, government employees, and they have done a poor job of keeping this state afloat. Oh, but I guess you want them exempt because they share your view, right.