Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

noah wrote:

<quoted text>39 million americans say israel/mossad behind 911...911 truth movement doent believe alqueda ever existed!....AMERICA FIRST let the truth bring the traitors to justice

I hope this movement to tell the real truth about 9/11 catches pace and the real plotters are brought to light and tried and punished for the crime.

Not the Political and Media Trial and execution, but Judicial punishment.

Liam R wrote:

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Such insults reveal much about the insultor, like a serious level of lack of self worth. Such a person usually recognizes that they have nothing of value in their life and that no one would miss them were they to disappear. They need to feel that there is someone, some where that is lower than them, so they belittle others in a vain attempt to elevate themself. When in the company of like-"minded" persons, the vapidness of their being is disguised for a brief time as they echo one another's empty blatherings. "The empty barrel makes the most noise."

Well said.

At the heart of the argument over the minutiae of Christian and Jewish scripture lies the fundamental schism between Messianic Christians and Jews.

The Messianic movement was founded by the Christian Church and is funded millions of dollars annually by those same churches with one mission....

....Convert Jews to Christianity

To: Rosesz

For your information according to Bible, God did not give land of Israel to Abraham and Isaac alone. God’s promise was to give that land for everlasting possession to Abraham and his descendents that come after him. So this includes both Isaac and Abraham’s First Born and Isaac’s Elder Brother Ishmael. Jews want to strike out Ishmael and his progeny from that prophesy.

God did give the chance to Isaac and his progeny to capture and occupy that land. They could not do so despite being given chance for 3000 years. So finally they were declared unworthy of that inheritance and driven out from the land for past 2000 years. The Children of Ishmael took possession of all lands and hold it unbroken for 1200 years. They were a worthy inheritors and fulfilled the promise of God.

This statement of Golda Meir is sheer non sense. Israel did not wander in desert for 40 years to find out a land where there was no oil. It was a punishment from God for not obeying His command to enter the Promised Land.

In fact they got the land “Which was flowing with Milk and Honey” and the children of Ishmael had to rough out in the “desert of Paran”!!! There was no thought or possibility of Oil 4000 years ago. It was God’s gift that Oil was discovered in that land 60 years ago!!! So the land was filled with “Black Gold” compared to the “Milk and Honey” for Palestine.

We believe that nothing happens on this earth without God’s will. But we are commanded to fight for justice and end of oppression and tyranny in the lands.

We cannot be the mute spectators of injustice committed on our land and on our brothers in faith and humanity.

Rick Moss wrote:

At the heart of the argument ....with one mission....
....Convert Jews to Christianity

Want to try your hand where Jesus failed?

Can your prove Jesus was Christian?

MUQ wrote:

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Want to try your hand where Jesus failed?
Can your prove Jesus was Christian?

Was Jesus a Christian? As a Christian I'm merely a beggar who has found a great treasure and so I'm telling every other beggar I see about it.
Islam, on the other hand makes converts at the point of a gun.
Christianity is a religion of life; Islam is a religion of death.
Look at how the Madrasas are teaching children to shoot AK-47's and hate Jews. Mohammed taught jihad and Christ taught love.
Mohammed died in Mecca, Jesus rose from the dead in Jerusalem.

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>Was Jesus a Christian? As a Christian I'm merely a beggar who has found a great treasure and so I'm telling every other beggar I see about it.
Islam, on the other hand makes converts at the point of a gun.
Christianity is a religion of life; Islam is a religion of death.
Look at how the Madrasas are teaching children to shoot AK-47's and hate Jews. Mohammed taught jihad and Christ taught love.
Mohammed died in Mecca, Jesus rose from the dead in Jerusalem.

You sound like this guy
<http://www.youtube.com/watch... ;
Can you tell me whats wrong with this picture? Or is he absolutly correct?

MUQ wrote:

To: RAS
You are wrong my Dear, God did not divide Arab lands between Ishmael and Isaac, that every one should get half share.
God promised to Abraham that he will give the land of Canaan to Abraham and to his children for an everlasting possession. First the Children of Isaac started to take possession of the land of Canaan. Despite their best efforts they could not hold on to their land.
Despite killing millions they could hold the land for only 100 years in its 4000 years old history. They were declared unworthy of having or protecting that inheritance.
The Children of Ishmael took full control of their lands in Arabia, they never allowed any one to take their lands from them. They were worthy children to hold on to their inheritance. That is why God blessed them and slowly and surely they subdued all nations and took full possession of not only the whole land of Canaan but of all lands where Abraham ever visited during his life time. They hold most of that land for 1200 years.
Now the dispossessed children from Isaac line come and want to remove the Children of Ishmael from their homes. This is not justified, they have forfeited their inheritance.
Israel has come to stay only by the backings of USA and UK. It was created with injustice and any state which is created on injustice can not live long. Its days are limited. Every tyrant and Oppressor has his days numbered.
The Israel is going to fall with a thud, those who are supporting it on stilts would also fall, if they do not stop backing that Terrorist state.

MUQ,
When you first started in this discussion, you seemed to me to be an intelligent, reasonable person. What I see now is someone who is not reasonable. There is no room in your heart for compromise. You have called the Israelis terrorists, but you condone the Arab suicide bombers who target women and children in direct violation of your own Koran. You equate stone throwing to a pillow fight and you insist that Israel must be destroyed in spite of the fact that they have existed now for 60 years and have managed to hold their own against the attacks by those you call "worthy children." It seems to me that the Israelis have now proven that they are also "worthy".
Remember, times change whether we like it or not.
BTW, if G-d blessed the Muslims, why do they blow each other up? You not only can't get along with Jews and Christians, but you can't even get along amongst yourselves.

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>Was Jesus a Christian? As a Christian I'm merely a beggar who has found a great treasure and so I'm telling every other beggar I see about it.
Islam, on the other hand makes converts at the point of a gun.
Christianity is a religion of life; Islam is a religion of death.
Look at how the Madrasas are teaching children to shoot AK-47's and hate Jews. Mohammed taught jihad and Christ taught love.
Mohammed died in Mecca, Jesus rose from the dead in Jerusalem.

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Jesus never had anything to do with Christianity,
which was founded by Paul about 30 years after the
death of Jesus. "Christian" was a word which was not known in Israel until Paul showed up in Jerusalem preaching that Jesus was Christ, son of God, and that he had resurrected. That's why he almost got killed by the Jews for preaching heresy. And mind you that the Nazarenes disciples
of Jesus were headquartered in Jerusalem and for 30 years had never heard that Jesus was Christ.

google "concentration camp money" some death camp they had their own currency which they were paid for working in the camp factories,

Barbara wrote:

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MUQ,
When you first started in this discussion, you seemed to me to be an intelligent, reasonable person. What I see now is someone who is not reasonable. There is no room in your heart for compromise. You have called the Israelis terrorists, but you condone the Arab suicide bombers who target women and children in direct violation of your own Koran. You equate stone throwing to a pillow fight and you insist that Israel must be destroyed in spite of the fact that they have existed now for 60 years and have managed to hold their own against the attacks by those you call "worthy children." It seems to me that the Israelis have now proven that they are also "worthy".
Remember, times change whether we like it or not.
BTW, if G-d blessed the Muslims, why do they blow each other up? You not only can't get along with Jews and Christians, but you can't even get along amongst yourselves.

lol. ITA

Publius2 wrote:

<quoted text>Was Jesus a Christian? As a Christian I'm merely a beggar who has found a great treasure and so I'm telling every other beggar I see about it...

Did it ever occur to you for a moment that Jewish people don't see themselves as beggars, or as "imperfect".
But, let's pretend for a second you're right. You have a unique perspective that we - so far - have been unable to appreciate.
I can guarantee you that there isn't a single Jew on this planet who hasn't heard your message. Is it still necessary to spend millions upon millions of dollars supporting missionary organizations to keep hammering into our ears?
We've all seen the commercial -- now it's up to usto buy the product, or not, as we see fit.

Rick Moss wrote:

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Did it ever occur to you for a moment that Jewish people don't see themselves as beggars, or as "imperfect".
But, let's pretend for a second you're right. You have a unique perspective that we - so far - have been unable to appreciate.
I can guarantee you that there isn't a single Jew on this planet who hasn't heard your message. Is it still necessary to spend millions upon millions of dollars supporting missionary organizations to keep hammering into our ears?
We've all seen the commercial -- now it's up to usto buy the product, or not, as we see fit.

You say that Jewish people do not view themselves as being “imperfect”. Kindly tell me more and if there are scriptural texts to support concept I would appreciate you sharing it.

That Jews need to be "perfected" by accepting Jesus is a Christian belief. Whether or not it conforms to the Christian scriptures I cannot say. You'd need to ask a Christian.

Rick Moss wrote:

That Jews need to be "perfected" by accepting Jesus is a Christian belief. Whether or not it conforms to the Christian scriptures I cannot say. You'd need to ask a Christian.

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In that case, Jesus was not perfect because he was
Jewish and never heard anything about Christianity. It was all fabricated by Paul about
30 years after Jesus' death.

Isaiah 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.


Romans 2:24-29 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 11:13-27 For I speak to you, the nations, since I am an apostle of the nations,(I glorify my ministry), if somehow I may provoke to jealousy my flesh, and may save some of them. For if their casting away is the reconciliation of the world, what is the reception, except life from the dead?


Now if the firstfruit is holy, so also the lump. And if the root is holy, so also the branches. But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, it is not you that bears the root, but the root bears you. You will say then, The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in. Well! For unbelief they were broken off.


And you stand by faith. Do not be highminded, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear that it may be He will not spare you either. Behold, then, the kindness and severity of God: On those having fallen, severity. But on you, kindness, if you continue in the kindness.

Otherwise, you will also be cut off. And those also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in. For God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the natural wild olive tree, and against nature were grafted into a good olive tree, how much more these being according to nature will be grafted into their own olive tree?

For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be wise within yourselves, that hardness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the nations comes in; and so all Israel will be saved, even as it has been written, "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.

Bible truth wrote:

Isaiah 41:8 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.
Romans 2:24-29 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.
For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfill the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
Romans 11:13-27 For I speak to you, the nations, since I am an apostle of the nations,(I glorify my ministry), if somehow I may provoke to jealousy my flesh, and may save some of them. For if their casting away is the reconciliation of the world, what is the reception, except life from the dead?
Now if the firstfruit is holy, so also the lump. And if the root is holy, so also the branches. But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree were grafted in among them, and became a sharer of the root and the fatness of the olive tree, do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, it is not you that bears the root, but the root bears you. You will say then, The branches were broken off that I might be grafted in. Well! For unbelief they were broken off.
And you stand by faith. Do not be highminded, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, fear that it may be He will not spare you either. Behold, then, the kindness and severity of God: On those having fallen, severity. But on you, kindness, if you continue in the kindness.
Otherwise, you will also be cut off. And those also, if they do not continue in unbelief, will be grafted in. For God is able to graft them in again. For if you were cut out of the natural wild olive tree, and against nature were grafted into a good olive tree, how much more these being according to nature will be grafted into their own olive tree?
For I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be wise within yourselves, that hardness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the nations comes in; and so all Israel will be saved, even as it has been written, "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, and He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob. And this is My covenant with them, when I take away their sins.

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About the first quotation above: Isaiah 41:8. We all know that the Suffering Servant of Isaiah 53
is the Messiah. If "thou Israel is My Servant," it means that Israel is the Messiah. Thank you.

veteran wrote:

<quoted text>true www.codoh.com

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It's called Antisemitism as a result of jealousy.

y.

Sambee wrote:

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That's it? Too laconic. I take you meant to ask
why? Whatelse could be by jealousy?