Messianic Jews say they are persecuted in Israel

No Mercy wrote:

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I didn't name call at all...what do you think that the rabbis called unrepentent sinners who did not practice and apply their faith at the time of Solomon's Temple?
They kicked them out of the tribes, that's what they did or worse, if their sin was worse. There were cities of refuge if you needed to be heard before a judge and in most cases even when you won your case for your offense, the offense itself was so disruptive to the community where it happened that you could never return back to it.
Gee, they must have had more passion and seriousness for the Law than you do, huh?!

"WOW...you're some half-*ss **** "
This isn't name calling? You should go and repent your sin of lying.
You are as hung up on Biblical law, as some Muslims are on Sharia law. I try to lead my life in such a way that I don't harm another person. If that's not good enough for your God, then that is your problem, not mine. I've led my life in such a way that I feel no need to be saved from myself.

Barbara, why are you arguing? If you have faith that your religion is correct, and the others are wrong, isn't that enough. Ignore the rest, let the rest live in thier own faith. BTW, that goes for all the Christian evanglicals too.

Now some practical advise when they come to your door and bug you: get some really gross Catholic Jesus pictures with the heart hanging out and a couple of satanic pictures, invite them in; then nail them with a show and tell. Watch them run for the hills. Its fun to watch

alphsone wrote:

Barbara, why are you arguing? If you have faith that your religion is correct, and the others are wrong, isn't that enough. Ignore the rest, let the rest live in thier own faith. BTW, that goes for all the Christian evanglicals too.
Now some practical advise when they come to your door and bug you: get some really gross Catholic Jesus pictures with the heart hanging out and a couple of satanic pictures, invite them in; then nail them with a show and tell. Watch them run for the hills. Its fun to watch

Actually, I've always believed in live and let live. I'm not trying to get anyone to believe as I do, but when you try to explain to some people why you don't believe in Jesus, they start trying to save you. Why would I want to join a religion that pesters people?
Fortuneately, I haven't had any door to door evangelists lately, and the last few were polite enough to leave when I told them I wasn't interested.

To all Jews who have accepted their promised Messiah and all followers of Christ, I leave these words with you all and I pray that God will keep and strengthen you all.

John 15:18-20

18If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also.

21But all these things will they do unto you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me.

2 Timothy 3:12
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

Acts 13:49-51

49And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

50But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.

51But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium.

2 Corinthians 4:17
For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

2 Timothy 1:8
Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

2 Timothy 4:5
But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.

James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

Matthew 5:10-12

10Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.

12Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Endure persecution for the Lord He Himself endured from His own people at the time. Shalom and love.

John 11:47-51
47Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Acts 13:45
But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
Acts 14:1
And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.
Acts 14:2
But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.
Seems very much same today.
Acts 16:19-20
19And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,
20And brought them to the magistrates, saying, These men, being Jews, do exceedingly trouble our city,
It's the same thing happening in Israel today
Acts 17:5
But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
Acts 18:5
And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Stephanie Weil wrote:

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That would be impinging on constitutional freedom of speech. The United States is not Israel (thank God)! As long as people don't get physical, nobody should be prevented from preaching.
In this case, the "Messianic Jews" weren't the ones who got physical. It was whoever was that sent that booby-trap to this family's house. There was no need for that.
Disclaimer: I don't like religious proselytizing, however I respect the right of another person to spread their "word". I wouldn't want my rights to be trampled on either.

What you think or let me put this another way - what you have been taught to think is way different than the reality in our Country.

We have a President that ignores the Constitution and Bill of Rights - how is that different from other Countries? He doesn't care about the people - not my opinion - watch his actions - forget his words. His words are also screaming - he doesn't care what the people want he will do what he wants, when he wants, how he wants.

People give up what you have been taught because if you learn to think - everything happening in this Country and others contradicts what we have been taught to think.

People are told something from the Mainstream Media and run with it for FACE VALUE. No one thinks through any situation they just go with what they are told to think.

There is way more to this story than meets the eye. I am sure there is also an agenda but not what is best for American people.

Yosef wrote:

John 11:47-51
47Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Acts 13:45
But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
Acts 14:1
And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.
Acts 14:2
But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.
Seems very much same today.
Acts 16:19-20
19And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,
20And brought them to the magistrates, saying, These men, being Jews, do exceedingly trouble our city,
It's the same thing happening in Israel today
Acts 17:5
But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
Acts 18:5
And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

Why do you expect the J*ws to believe anything the New Testament says? I'm sure you don't care what the Koran says.

Republic 4 whch it stnds wrote:

<quoted text>What you think or let me put this another way - what you have been taught to think is way different than the reality in our Country.
We have a President that ignores the Constitution and Bill of Rights - how is that different from other Countries? He doesn't care about the people - not my opinion - watch his actions - forget his words. His words are also screaming - he doesn't care what the people want he will do what he wants, when he wants, how he wants.
People give up what you have been taught because if you learn to think - everything happening in this Country and others contradicts what we have been taught to think.
People are told something from the Mainstream Media and run with it for FACE VALUE. No one thinks through any situation they just go with what they are told to think.
There is way more to this story than meets the eye. I am sure there is also an agenda but not what is best for American people.

I agree with you. Farmers and other people concerned about the USDA regulating us into an unConstitutional National Animal ID System refer to the masses who are oblivious to the loss of their rights as sheeple.

god wrote:

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nope. Still Jewish. Nothing you say will ever make me less Jewish. Frustrating, isn't it?

Who mentioned that you weren't still Jewish?
Are you seeing someone else's comments and thinking they're mine?
I was making the point that if you don't live your faith, you are repudiating your confession, or fact, to be believing your faith.

Don't you agree?

Barbara wrote:

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Actually, I've always believed in live and let live. I'm not trying to get anyone to believe as I do, but when you try to explain to some people why you don't believe in Jesus, they start trying to save you. Why would I want to join a religion that pesters people?
Fortuneately, I haven't had any door to door evangelists lately, and the last few were polite enough to leave when I told them I wasn't interested.

Hey Barbara, I wasn't making any attempt to swing you to Jesus.
I WAS pointing out to you that your comments have holes in them, and later as you continued, that you are FOS in your profession that you are a J E W since you had the upbringing, but are as secular as anyone else thats a non-J e w. Your own comments put you in that position. The same is true of any self-proclaimed christian who is also out in the day to day world living and acting without the direction of their faith-based 'compass', Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Going thru the motions isn't 'getting it done', actions do.
I can't be a true Christian and be a womanizing drunk or a 'Girls Gone Wild' producer, or a Norman Lear trying to secularize everything in the country to the exclusion of faith.
If you can't see that, then your blindness is spiritual, as I've already said.

The problem Jews have with this sect is that they aren't Jews; they are Christians posing as Jews. They need to admit they aren't Jewish, and the issue would go away!

More More wrote:

The problem Jews have with this sect is that they aren't Jews; they are Christians posing as Jews. They need to admit they aren't Jewish, and the issue would go away!

You know, as a practising Jew, I have less problem with the Messianic sect than with some of the traditional Christians. At least they remain faithful to some of the principal ideas of the G-d of Abraham. For example, they celebrate G-d's creation for a New Year instead of a pagan holiday in January. Sure, it would be nice if they would try to stop the war of semantics by dropping the last part of their name, but they are a whole lot better than the former pagans that now call themselves Christians.

Yosef wrote:

John 11:47-51
47Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.
48If we let him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.
49And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,
50Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
51And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
Acts 13:45
But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.
Acts 14:1
And it came to pass in Iconium, that they went both together into the synagogue of the Jews, and so spake, that a great multitude both of the Jews and also of the Greeks believed.
Acts 14:2
But the unbelieving Jews stirred up the Gentiles, and made their minds evil affected against the brethren.
Seems very much same today.
Acts 16:19-20
19And when her masters saw that the hope of their gains was gone, they caught Paul and Silas, and drew them into the marketplace unto the rulers,
20And brought them to the magistrates, saying, These men, being Jews, do exceedingly trouble our city,
It's the same thing happening in Israel today
Acts 17:5
But the Jews which believed not, moved with envy, took unto them certain lewd fellows of the baser sort, and gathered a company, and set all the city on an uproar, and assaulted the house of Jason, and sought to bring them out to the people.
Acts 18:5
And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

you are very encouraging. Keep writing. I am paying attention. God bless you and keep you always

Barbara wrote:

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What Jesus said and did was not recorded until long after his death. Historical records from that time period are fragmented, and the authors are not really known and may have had their own motives for what they wrote. Then of course, there is also the problem of accurate translation.
As far as more recent history, the evidence and record keeping is easier to find and understand, but even so we probably don't know as many details about them, as you claim to know about Jesus.

I'll leave the less than accurate descriptions of the authors alone for now....seems you get your history lessons from CNN.....

I'm simply trying to find out if you think Jesus even existed in history.

If so, do you believe He had crowds gathered around Him? It's seems without question He did, and that the Jewish and Roman councils and wisemen had Him persecuted, tortured, and eventually Crucified.

Do you believe THAT may have happened?

If so...and again....you called Him a teacher..only a teacher. If He was Crucified and a large number of people began to spread the words of His words and deeds (that's kinda why we're all, a few billion of us, into Him today. That, and the fact that one's heart changes, mind changes, soul changes, yada/yada...when they invite Him to come into their lives, but you'll have to ask Him in to find out that joy)...why would that happen to a teacher?

What got Him Crucified?

Eric wrote:

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You know, as a practising Jew, I have less problem with the Messianic sect than with some of the traditional Christians. At least they remain faithful to some of the principal ideas of the G-d of Abraham. For example, they celebrate G-d's creation for a New Year instead of a pagan holiday in January. Sure, it would be nice if they would try to stop the war of semantics by dropping the last part of their name, but they are a whole lot better than the former pagans that now call themselves Christians.

wow Eric...you're measure of a man or woman is when they celebrate a holiday?

sounds a bit Pharissitical....

but that's why He came after all...man couldn't keep all of God's commandments, so God made salvation absolutelty free for us, by letting Christ suffer through all of man's sin...take it upon His shoulders, and bridge us back to our Father through His blood.

Barbara wrote:

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Actually, I've always believed in live and let live. I'm not trying to get anyone to believe as I do, but when you try to explain to some people why you don't believe in Jesus, they start trying to save you. Why would I want to join a religion that pesters people?
Fortuneately, I haven't had any door to door evangelists lately, and the last few were polite enough to leave when I told them I wasn't interested.

you're being "pestered" by people who love you so much, they want your soul to live in eternal bliss. You will not understand until you ask God's love into your heart that we believe there are real, eternal consequences to that decision or non-decision.

Before I was saved, whenever I met a born-again Christian, I always marveled at their senses of joy...their giddyness...their kindness to me as they explained what they had discovered in their lives.

I never considered it pestering. I've BEEN pestered by people at other times....there's a huge difference.

Remember, there are thousands of religious fanatics of another stripe who want to do nothing more than lop your head off with a dull knife......maybe you should be thankful if you just get "pestered" on occasion!!!

It may be Barbara, you are confusing born-again Christians with Mormons or Jehovah's witnesses.

They believe in wildly different things than do Christians, and , as it is in the Jehovah faith...they are cult-like in their proseltyzing as well as their efforts to keep all within the walls of their churches.

I'm now ready for the posts from our Mormon and JW readers. Before you do....it might be easier to look at the false prophecies and denials of Christs' deity within your beliefs' liturgies....it'll save us some debate time.

Reality wrote:

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I'll leave the less than accurate descriptions of the authors alone for now....seems you get your history lessons from CNN.....
I'm simply trying to find out if you think Jesus even existed in history.
If so, do you believe He had crowds gathered around Him? It's seems without question He did, and that the Jewish and Roman councils and wisemen had Him persecuted, tortured, and eventually Crucified.
Do you believe THAT may have happened?
If so...and again....you called Him a teacher..only a teacher. If He was Crucified and a large number of people began to spread the words of His words and deeds (that's kinda why we're all, a few billion of us, into Him today. That, and the fact that one's heart changes, mind changes, soul changes, yada/yada...when they invite Him to come into their lives, but you'll have to ask Him in to find out that joy)...why would that happen to a teacher?
What got Him Crucified?

I acknowledge that Jesus existed and that he had his disciples. That was a common practice of rabbis (which means teacher) at the time. The Romans crucified a lot of people they considered rabble rousers and criminals. That's how they maintained control of the countries they conquered. Jesus wasn't singled out for that distinction. At first, his word was spread by people who needed hope. After the fall of the Roman Empire, Christianity was often spread at the point of a sword. Now, it's handed down from one generation to the next, and you are still trying to convert the J*ws. This is why I maintain that Messianics are not J*ws, they are Christians practicing Jewish customs and trying to gain converts this way. I don't care what you believe, but I dislike false advertising.

you are one ignorant human...

my best friend is a messianic Jew. He is not a "Christian practicising Jewish customs"..

he is a Jew by birth and lineage who accepted Jesus Christ (another Jew) as his Lord and Savior.

The Jewish people were told about a "suffering" Messiah between 150-200 times by their prophets in the OLD TESTAMENT. If only you would crack open Isaiah and read the 53rd chapter....here's the 5th and 6th verse.....

"But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed"

Tell you what Barbara, you seem like you have some thirst for knowledge...I'll have him read your posts and respond to you in a much better manner than I can, as he is an accomplished writer/poet/and motivational speaker.

Till then, God Bless, and have a peaceful night.

Reality wrote:

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you're being "pestered" by people who love you so much, they want your soul to live in eternal bliss. You will not understand until you ask God's love into your heart that we believe there are real, eternal consequences to that decision or non-decision.
Before I was saved, whenever I met a born-again Christian, I always marveled at their senses of joy...their giddyness...their kindness to me as they explained what they had discovered in their lives.
I never considered it pestering. I've BEEN pestered by people at other times....there's a huge difference.
Remember, there are thousands of religious fanatics of another stripe who want to do nothing more than lop your head off with a dull knife......maybe you should be thankful if you just get "pestered" on occasion!!!

If they love us so much, they'd stop trying to spread the word to people who have already heard about Jesus and weren't interested. Yet they persist. I've never liked a hard sales pitch.

The Moslem fanatics are just that - fanatics. Islam should not be judged by them any more than Christianity should be judged by Jim Jones.

I would be thankful if you respected my beliefs and stopped preaching. The moderate Moslems I know can respect that.