N.H. eyes assisted suicide measure

Figures the stupid religious idiots always have something to say......plain and simple people should choose

Respect all life from conception to natural death. Extrodinary means not required. That's called love kaya not idoicy.

"Our goal is not to cause people early death, it is to provide the opportunity for libertarian individuals, people who volunteer, people who are rational to choose

What are these democrats in my fair state smoking?

At what point does a life become inconvenient to live?

Health Insurance Companies are going to want this in place before health care reform comes.The cost of insurance will be so high everyone will want this choice.
Seriously, in an ideal world this would make sense.It doesn't make sense in a capitalist society.What will it look like in 20 years.As it is right now with pain medications,there is no need to ever suffer in pain with terminal illness.This is the wrong direction to take for a society that considers talking about death taboo.

Legal or not, if someone I cared about asked me to help them get out of the pointless suffering of a dragged-out terminal illness, I'd do it, just as I hope they would do it for me. It's nice not to have to worry about being jailed for helping a friend or family member in a desperate situation. This is a humane law which will provoke a reaction from religious nazis.

Why is it that American's fret more about putting a dog down then putting grandma down? All those dogs being rescued from high kill shelters and Puerto Rico by pet rescue orginizations. Check out Petfinder.com and you will see what I mean. Perhaps the solution is to create rescue groups for abandoned people?

What in the world is a democrat worrying about what a libertarian thinks...what is he advocating a libertarian's "I hate the government and paying taxes'...put her down so my taxes won't go up and we won't make any bigger than it already is.

What's the libertarians got anything to do with this?

Life becomes inconvenient to live when I decide it is - not when an government panel does.

Neon Moose wrote:

At what point does a life become inconvenient to live?

James wrote:

Life becomes inconvenient to live when I decide it is - not when an government panel does.
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The geometrics have just been expanded....nice. So the triangle now includes; natural death, personal choice and third party choice. Anything missed?

New Clear Waste wrote:

Legal or not, if someone I cared about asked me to help them get out of the pointless suffering of a dragged-out terminal illness, I'd do it, just as I hope they would do it for me. It's nice not to have to worry about being jailed for helping a friend or family member in a desperate situation. This is a humane law which will provoke a reaction from religious nazis.

Do you include when the gub'mint decides it is time for YOU to go? Would it be ok then?

Elmer Fudd wrote:

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Do you include when the gub'mint decides it is time for YOU to go? Would it be ok then?

Oh, I get it - you mean the "Death Panels" that Sarah Palin made up? "Unplug grandma"? How about the free care for all the illegal aliens? How about government-paid abortions? And the "government takeover of health care" that you people are sure are all in the Health Care Reform bills? And the President being a "Socialist", "Marxist", and "Nazi" all at once, even though they are incompatible with each other? Glenn Beck says it's true, so who are we to dispute it?

Anyone else see the PBS presentation on the Health Care debate last night?

Neon Moose wrote:

At what point does a life become inconvenient to live?

At what point, you ask.

My sister died of colon cancer. It took her 3 years to die by inches. The last year and a half was a horror NO human should have to endure. If she'd been my dog I'd have been criticized for not having put her down to stop her suffering. She watched her family empty it's assets to prolong her life and to make every effort to aleviate her suffering. She wished she could have had a physician assist her to her life's end some year before it actually did.

Does that suffice?

There is just no doubt about facing a disease and fatal illness...the end point is drastic personal growth for most people. And you force personal growth to all the people around you as you face your death...as your love one realize they will be facing their death eventually some day watching you die. I just think death serves a higher purpose, or that the period from when you begin to be sick and you die...even a suffering death has a purpose. I want the challenge of a terribly suffering and prolonged death...I want to see if I can overcome that mentally.

Who is to say the lessens you learned in your suffering death...is designed to help you in your next after life and next post death opportunity?

You know what, you don’t ever die anyways. This is the greatest spiritual experience god has produced anywhere in the cosmos, so god doesn’t want you to waste any second of life on planet earth...every second is designed to be a perfect spiritual teaching lessen. So why would you want to cut short a lessen god is trying to teach you.

Why aren’t you saying back at god, dial it up baby, no balls, cause I want every possible experience you can throw a me. Isn't that faith in god or the purpose of the cosmos...and isn’t that being respectful to god...mindfully she made this a miraculous playground or computer simulation. Always recognizing all human life is profoundly spiritual...but don’t we want a life that fully challenges us across the years...that pushing us to the limits.

mike mulligan wrote:

There is just no doubt about facing a disease and fatal illness...the end point is drastic personal growth for most people. And you force personal growth to all the people around you as you face your death...as your love one realize they will be facing their death eventually some day watching you die. I just think death serves a higher purpose, or that the period from when you begin to be sick and you die...even a suffering death has a purpose. I want the challenge of a terribly suffering and prolonged death...I want to see if I can overcome that mentally.
Who is to say the lessens you learned in your suffering death...is designed to help you in your next after life and next post death opportunity?
You know what, you don’t ever die anyways. This is the greatest spiritual experience god has produced anywhere in the cosmos, so god doesn’t want you to waste any second of life on planet earth...every second is designed to be a perfect spiritual teaching lessen. So why would you want to cut short a lessen god is trying to teach you.
Why aren’t you saying back at god, dial it up baby, no balls, cause I want every possible experience you can throw a me. Isn't that faith in god or the purpose of the cosmos...and isn’t that being respectful to god...mindfully she made this a miraculous playground or computer simulation. Always recognizing all human life is profoundly spiritual...but don’t we want a life that fully challenges us across the years...that pushing us to the limits.

Good for you. Rah Rah you're on God's team. Keep your God out of my legislature. There was little of God in her suffering, in the permanent damage done to her children. In the penury her husband now lives in. No balls? How dare you. You have no idea how much in the line of balls it takes for a human to die with grace and to watch what is happening to her family around her.

You're a callous man, Mike Milligan. And that's hardly what our Creator wishes of us.

I am positive that you will be granted a degree of suffering from atheists on this site.

Devotion to the five wounds
http://www.fisheaters.com/5wounds.html

mike mulligan wrote:

There is just no doubt about facing a disease and fatal illness...the end point is drastic personal growth for most people. And you force personal growth to all the people around you as you face your death...as your love one realize they will be facing their death eventually some day watching you die. I just think death serves a higher purpose, or that the period from when you begin to be sick and you die...even a suffering death has a purpose. I want the challenge of a terribly suffering and prolonged death...I want to see if I can overcome that mentally.
Who is to say the lessens you learned in your suffering death...is designed to help you in your next after life and next post death opportunity?

So you haven't ever watched a loved one suffering horrible pain since you think that it's a "growth experience" and "serves a higher purpose". I have on several occasions and believe it or not -it's not a cut and dry higher learning life experience.

And no - your little flip comments about what the democrats are smoking don't bring anything at all to the discussion. At least they're taking steps to let people decide at the end of their life to go out on their own terms. Not your terms - their terms and how they want to go.

If you want to stick around and suffer then that's your choice and it would be honored - you can have your growth experience. For the people that don't want to do that - then they would have the right to do what THEY want not what YOU want them to do.

And leave the Glen Beck/Sarah Palin rantings out of the discussion -because most people were smart enough to see it for what it was - a load of crap. From what I've read it did serve one purpose however -it got the end of life counseling out of the health care bill. Something that a lot of people found very helpful - discussion about hospice care vs. home care, what medical care to provide when people specified in their will that they didn't want extraordinary measures taken to prolong their lives - not this nonsense about "putting Granny out on a hillside to die of exposure".

united health care wrote:

Health Insurance Companies are going to want this in place before health care reform comes.The cost of insurance will be so high everyone will want this choice.
Seriously, in an ideal world this would make sense.It doesn't make sense in a capitalist society.What will it look like in 20 years.As it is right now with pain medications,there is no need to ever suffer in pain with terminal illness.This is the wrong direction to take for a society that considers talking about death taboo.

Then you also haven't watched someone with terminal cancer die. No -the painkillers available today don't even begin to touch that kind of pain these people suffer at the end of their lives. And believe what you want but there are many doctors that ramp up these painkillers to the max and help these people slip away because no one should have to suffer that kind of pain with a terminal illness with no help of healing. They shouldn't be charged with helping them to die. This goes on every day already and a law protecting them from the people that want that "growth experience" is needed.

It would be nice if you and people like you -didn't add to the suffering of the people that are already suffering enough already.
Die the way you want to - and leave everybody else alone. People make these decisions every day in this country - when to take people off of respirators, when to withhold medications that aren't helping just prolonging the pain etc. And believe it or not - they come to their own decisions and make them quite well - without your input.

BLocal wrote:

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So you haven't ever watched a loved one suffering horrible pain since you think that it's a "growth experience" and "serves a higher purpose". I have on several occasions and believe it or not -it's not a cut and dry higher learning life experience.
And no - your little flip comments about what the democrats are smoking don't bring anything at all to the discussion. At least they're taking steps to let people decide at the end of their life to go out on their own terms. Not your terms - their terms and how they want to go.
If you want to stick around and suffer then that's your choice and it would be honored - you can have your growth experience. For the people that don't want to do that - then they would have the right to do what THEY want not what YOU want them to do.
And leave the Glen Beck/Sarah Palin rantings out of the discussion -because most people were smart enough to see it for what it was - a load of crap. From what I've read it did serve one purpose however -it got the end of life counseling out of the health care bill. Something that a lot of people found very helpful - discussion about hospice care vs. home care, what medical care to provide when people specified in their will that they didn't want extraordinary measures taken to prolong their lives - not this nonsense about "putting Granny out on a hillside to die of exposure".

I have experienced such a life. One child in a vegetative state for seven years due to accidental drowning. I treasure the time we spent together, I learned & experienced so much about life love, and loss. Have you ever read, "Welcome To Holland", by Emily Pearl Kingsley?