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Ohio executions back on with 1-drug method

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cagefreeeggs

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Nov 15, 2009
 
Guilty wrote:
<quoted text>Armed robbery and murder.
ate someone's chickens, eh?
one of my ex husband's civil war relatives was a union soldier. he was caught stealing a chicken out of a coop in Virginia near Gettysburg. he was placed in a Confederate POW camp until the war's end....
he never ate chicken again...
they didn't euthanize him....they just made him sorry.
cagefreeeggs

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Like to answer you concern.Because to me its important...This very old dog,who had a great life running free on my farm,with a bunch of kids, and domestic animals,lead a great life....he was beautiful,a King Shepard...like us,Dogs get sick..the same ills we have they have..as in life some choose to end it all..not that life is not sweet,but that for some it becomes most difficlt...Plugs are pulled,living wills are respected.In my ROCKY'S case..the Pain and Sadness in his eyes told me much.He was partially paralyzed,old injury's,almost blind,in severe pain,so much so ,meds did not work any longer..HELP ME! he pleaded...Our Family considered this with compassion..and now ROCKY is at rest in the Pastures he loved.Unfortunitaly our dogs natural life span is much shorter than ours.Yet its the quality of life we afford them is important!..I wish that when my time comes ..I will be afforded the same affectiom...If your ques is meant to be a smart ass loon one,,well have fun..but if ya wanted to know,,this is why!
i am sorry you are grieving....but i don't think you can really equate the euthanization of a beloved pet with the state murdering of a human being....it's a big leap for me...
i get that you think that because the induced death of your dog was peaceful and painless that it will be the same for humans...
not necessarily...
dogs and humans have very different metabolism and anatomy....how a drug works on a person may work entirely differently on an animal, and vice versa....
this is why you don't let your dog into your prescriptive drugs....
aspirin for instance, will shut their kidneys down...for you, it thins your blood and relieves your aches and pains...
so you see, while i was being a smart ass, i was also trying to get you to understand that you cannot compare humans to animals....while we are connected, we are not the same...
and any dog will tell you that.

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Nov 15, 2009
 
Oregon Is Disgusting wrote:
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Yeah, heaven forbid that some people are out trying to protect your civil rights.
Yes and hell ollow too.

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Nov 15, 2009
 
Mavbe even allow!!

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Nov 15, 2009
 
Maybe even maybe!!!!

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Why do people think convicts deserve to have any rights? Again the same arguement ALWAYS exists. That is until it happens to their families. What a bunch ofuckingjokes!!

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-yernogood wrote:
Why do people think convicts deserve to have any rights? Again the same arguement ALWAYS exists. That is until it happens to their families. What a bunch ofuckingjokes!!
You know....you're right. There seems to be some closer scrutiny of possible terrorism suspects which should make you just a wee bit nervous, so, what do I care? If you want an easy execution, so be it. Rot in hell, Fascist.
Algernon Sidney

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Nov 15, 2009
 
cagefreeeggs wrote:
what if the evidence against you was skewed? what if the jury didn't understand all that was presented? what if the police department was anxious to 'get their man', and you're him?
right now, the state of texas is going to pay out MILLIONS of dollars to a man who was wrongly executed for a crime he never committed, because AFTER THE FACT, the DNA proved it wasn't him, but someone else....
if that man is you, or your brother, or your dad???? you okay with that?
I am okay with that because no such man exists. But what about the hundreds of people who have been murdered by murderers who were not executed after their first murder convictions. Those additional murder victims were really somebody's brother or dad.
Algernon Sidney

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Nov 15, 2009
 
Oregon Is Disgusting wrote:
Justice? There is no such thing as justice. That is a myth.
That may be your goal, but we are not there yet.
these are people

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-yernogood wrote:
<quoted text>Oh I’m not but these laws don’t apply to me.
Just trying to let you know how easy someone can end up in prison. There are many people in prison that deserve to be there, but there are also some that should not be. So when someone says they should all be put to death, no I do not agree with that.

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Jim Trebowski wrote:
<quoted text> You know....you're right. There seems to be some closer scrutiny of possible terrorism suspects which should make you just a wee bit nervous, so, what do I care? If you want an easy execution, so be it. Rot in hell, Fascist.
Oh, you believe in hell. Well that explains a little more.

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Algernon Sidney wrote:
<quoted text>I am okay with that because no such man exists. But what about the hundreds of people who have been murdered by murderers who were not executed after their first murder convictions. Those additional murder victims were really somebody's brother or dad.
And I provided earlier evidence to suggest that states with no death penalty have significantly lower murder rates, which means that there is a possibility that somebody's Mom, sister, or daughter was the victim of a screw-up legal system. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-poss...
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Jim Trebowski wrote:
And I provided earlier evidence to suggest that states with no death penalty have significantly lower murder rates, which means that there is a possibility that somebody's Mom, sister, or daughter was the victim of a screw-up legal system.
The variation in murder rates implies no such possibility. There is significant demographic variation among the states. Those variations are generally more significant factors in influencing the murder rates than the use of the death penalty is. There is no evidence that even one innocent person has been executed in the US under current death penalty laws. On the other hand, it is a know fact that hundreds of people have been murdered by murderers who were not executed after thier first murder conviction. If the deaths of innocent people were really what you were concerned about, there are numerous things that you could do that might actually reduce the numbers of such deaths. One of them would be to support the death penalty for murder.

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Jim Trebowski wrote:
<quoted text> And I provided earlier evidence to suggest that states with no death penalty have significantly lower murder rates, which means that there is a possibility that somebody's Mom, sister, or daughter was the victim of a screw-up legal system. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/executed-poss...
Your conclusion seems a bit odd to me, but you have a really funny picture.

Murder rates depend on a lot of different factors and if the murder rates are higher in a state (or a country) with the DP it doesn't really prove that the DP is not working or that the DP causes higher murder rates. Not that I think that the DP is working.

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Algernon Sidney wrote:
<quoted text>I am okay with that because no such man exists. But what about the hundreds of people who have been murdered by murderers who were not executed after their first murder convictions. Those additional murder victims were really somebody's brother or dad.
You are right that no such man exists (at this point), but that does not mean that no innocent person has been executed. There are a some cases that are very questionable. At the very least, there was not enough evidence there for them to be executed.
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Nov 15, 2009
 
cagefreeeggs wrote:
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i am sorry you are grieving....but i don't think you can really equate the euthanization of a beloved pet with the state murdering of a human being....it's a big leap for me...
i get that you think that because the induced death of your dog was peaceful and painless that it will be the same for humans...
not necessarily...
dogs and humans have very different metabolism and anatomy....how a drug works on a person may work entirely differently on an animal, and vice versa....
this is why you don't let your dog into your prescriptive drugs....
aspirin for instance, will shut their kidneys down...for you, it thins your blood and relieves your aches and pains...
so you see, while i was being a smart ass, i was also trying to get you to understand that you cannot compare humans to animals....while we are connected, we are not the same...
and any dog will tell you that.
My friend once you accept we are all animals,then this may be clearer to you....I do not want to pursue a discussing like that with you, Senistive with core beliefs anmong may,friends included.I respect your views,as you may respect mine...However ,there may be millions who may disagree with you,and me.I speak only for my self...yes that dog,as all the dogs I have known did have a special relationship with me...from Prehistoric times,when Wolves made friend with early man till today....As far as Meds?,raising lots of dogs,many medicines we used on animals attacked infection and pain like in humans!...we did on so the farm,Horses,Sheep,PigsECT ECT....No Viagra But Of Course!!!LOL!!So thanks for your comments.yes Takeing a human life is both very easy,and very hard.Many have met that challenge.In combat ,no choice.In the application of the law,not much of a choice!...If you would ,listen and look at this I attached...So Long!!........
http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Tove wrote:
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Your conclusion seems a bit odd to me, but you have a really funny picture.
Murder rates depend on a lot of different factors and if the murder rates are higher in a state (or a country) with the DP it doesn't really prove that the DP is not working or that the DP causes higher murder rates. Not that I think that the DP is working.
Heh..thx..I thought it was a funny picture too.
My post wasn't very clear, I suppose, but what I meant is that the link I provided earlier in this thread showed that there was as much as a 40% or more difference of murder rates in states that have the DP as opposed to those that don't. Yes, I'm sure there are many factors involved, but unless anyone can provide numbers to support that the DP is an effective deterrent and not just a "feel good" measure for victims families, I have to side with no state-sponsored killing.
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Nov 15, 2009
 
Jim Trebowski wrote:
My post wasn't very clear, I suppose, but what I meant is that the link I provided earlier in this thread showed that there was as much as a 40% or more difference of murder rates in states that have the DP as opposed to those that don't.
What did those murder rates do when the US Supreme Court outlawed the death penatly for seven years? Then what happened to those murder rates as stated reintroduced the pursuit of justice for murder victims?
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Jim Trebowski wrote:
Yes, I'm sure there are many factors involved, but unless anyone can provide numbers to support that the DP is an effective deterrent and not just a "feel good" measure for victims families, I have to side with no state-sponsored killing.
What is the difference between an "effective deterrent" and an ineffective deterrent? Why don't the families of victim's deserve to see justice done for the murder victims? What have they done that is so much worse than what the murderers have done? Is the pursuit of justice merely a "feel good" activity?
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Nov 16, 2009
 
Jim Trebowski wrote:
<quoted text>Which is a good argument against the death penalty. It also costs taxpayers more, and there's no evidence that it deters crime. Realistically, I can't say for sure that if it were my daughter that he raped and killed, that I wouldn't want the guy to be executed, but from an objective point of view, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of deterrence. In fact, states that do have the death penalty have higher murder rates. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/deterrence-st...
Don't get sucked into the " Does capital punishment lower crime" Thats only for the intelligent that most likely wont KILL to GET a Death Penalty.

ITS ABOUT THE COST OF A LIFER/MURDER AND WHATS Gained ZIP our prisons are too over crowded already.
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