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Another foolish remark from the the Wise One Lynn Olson. Yes, pay needs to be fair, but history has PROVEN that a govt, any govt cannot be trusted to "set the limits of pay" as you suggest.

Lynn why not instead take a vacation? Your attempts at understanding anything are fruitless. The last thing We the People need is a socialist govt which is by worse than anything Capitalism can produce.

If you want fairness in this country then a return to instilling values, discipline, morality (not the fake evangelical christian type) and correct historical education (not controlled by lying Teacher's unions and lazy teachers).

Your idea of "well lets just a pay a new law creating limits on mere businessmen" is immature at best.

Your love and adoration of an already failed president whose cabinet post are already filled with persons of questionable ethical pasts clearly shows how little you actually follow current events.

At 400,000.00 dollars, the non-citizen Obama is way overpaid.

Until Obama starts calling for an end to private ownership, you are using "socialism" as a childish epithet completely divorced from its actual definitions.

You are also still wearing the crackpot tinfoil hat of the "birthers," the lunatic fringe convinced beyond any reason (even when confronted with documentation) that Obama is not a U.S. citizen.

Which is fine, whatever turns you on. But you can't very well ridicule Lynn Olson as long as you exhibit looneytune conspiracy fantasies and lazy intellectualism.

"Birthers"...? How original. Did you pick that one up from AOl? I think you did. Why is it wrong to demand 100 percent proof of our president? Is he God? Is he different that all the rest of America? We must prove who we are (except are lovely illegals), but Obama is above us? Honey, enacting laws that restrict freedom (bush did this to somewhat with his wiretapping fiasco) is a form of "ending private ownership" Small changes in let us say gun control is an example of eroding public freedom. Did you visit any other sites concerning Obama like I told you to do on my other post under different names? No, I guess not since all you could come up with was your tired AOl response. Here is the link again. Get off you lazy ass and at least read about the veiwpoints of others who do not share your same beliefs or political ideas. www.wnd.com They are a at times to far-right for me. But...I still listen and the form MY OWN OPINIONS. Try it sometime, you might learn how to question your own beliefs and in the process learn something new or strenghten your own viewpoints.

Common_Sense wrote:

Until Obama starts calling for an end to private ownership, you are using "socialism" as a childish epithet completely divorced from its actual definitions.
You are also still wearing the crackpot tinfoil hat of the "birthers," the lunatic fringe convinced beyond any reason (even when confronted with documentation) that Obama is not a U.S. citizen.
Which is fine, whatever turns you on. But you can't very well ridicule Lynn Olson as long as you exhibit looneytune conspiracy fantasies and lazy intellectualism.

Here is another tidbit for you (which I doubt you will read since you know it all already). I realize that the MSM is not doing their jobs, but others are at least trying.

If even ONE of our dedicated (and now there are more than that) military officers is demanding CONCRETE proof, then you as a benefactor of these brave men and women should at least have the courtesy to not refer to them as "lunatic fringe"!

Read on if your mindset will allow you.

A Free Press For A Free People

More military officers demand eligibility proof
Military officers from the U.S. Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines are working with California attorney Orly Taitz and her Defend Our Freedoms Foundation, citing a legal right established in British common law nearly 800 years ago and recognized by the U.S. Founding Fathers to demand documentation that may prove – or disprove – Barack Obama's eligibility to be president.

Common_Sense wrote:

Until Obama starts calling for an end to private ownership, you are using "socialism" as a childish epithet completely divorced from its actual definitions.
You are also still wearing the crackpot tinfoil hat of the "birthers," the lunatic fringe convinced beyond any reason (even when confronted with documentation) that Obama is not a U.S. citizen.
Which is fine, whatever turns you on. But you can't very well ridicule Lynn Olson as long as you exhibit looneytune conspiracy fantasies and lazy intellectualism.

And here is the link: http://wnd.com :80/index.php?fa=PAGE.view &pageId=90574

If the link is not working search www.wnd.com to find more AMERICANS (think about that honey the next time you call somebody "lunatic fringe") who simply want absolute PROOF that Obama is eligible to serve.

Why so afraid? Wouldn't it make more sense to simply release the alleged "real" birth certificate?

Common_Sense wrote:

Until Obama starts calling for an end to private ownership, you are using "socialism" as a childish epithet completely divorced from its actual definitions.
You are also still wearing the crackpot tinfoil hat of the "birthers," the lunatic fringe convinced beyond any reason (even when confronted with documentation) that Obama is not a U.S. citizen.
Which is fine, whatever turns you on. But you can't very well ridicule Lynn Olson as long as you exhibit looneytune conspiracy fantasies and lazy intellectualism.

Are you often in the habit of demanding 100% of citizenship from newly elected presidents? Or just African-American Democrats?

And because I disagree with your nutty conspiracy theory, I can't form my own opinions? Right, that's the attitude of the people who dispute the Apollo mission. "Silly people believe everything they see on TV, how stupid they are."

The Obama campaign indulged this stupidity by distributing a copy of his birth certificate. Allegations that the document was a forgery inevitably followed but were frivolous. The state of Hawaii confirmed authenticity. The birth notice in the local paper has been verified. The court cases are bogus and won't go anywhere.

Have fun, and link to as many conspiracy websites as you like, but this dog won't hunt, and there's no use getting mad at me about it.

The socialist epithet does not fit because Obama is not nationalizing means of production, fighting hard not to nationalize the banks to any degree (indeed, he's pumping billions of dollars into capitalist institutions that have failed), he is certainly not democratizing economic decisions beyond Congress, and definitely not talking about collectivism.

It's just stupid red-baiting, of the kind always used to assail any efforts to apply palliative measures to those who suffer the ill-effects when the economy goes bust.

Wrong. Check your facts! He has never "distributed" his birth certificat. Also he only has a copy of A Certificate of Live Birth (which according to HI is different than their usual birth certificate) according to www.wnd.com .

Did you read the link? Military Officers are "nutty"?

Careful calling me a racist! Your ISP can be tracked and you may be held legally accountable for your statements.

What makes you think I'm not a Democrat? Because I don't believe in your puppet president who happens to black (there is no such thing as a Hypenated-American) means I'm a Republican? You're an American first and the whatever else afterward. How stupid would is sound is all of sudden people starting saying, "well, I'm a English-American" or "I'm a Norwegian-American".

Finally, I never said I believe these allegations were true I merely want our President to show real proof and to answer the claims made in these lawsuits.

Common_Sense wrote:

Are you often in the habit of demanding 100% of citizenship from newly elected presidents? Or just African-American Democrats?
And because I disagree with your nutty conspiracy theory, I can't form my own opinions? Right, that's the attitude of the people who dispute the Apollo mission. "Silly people believe everything they see on TV, how stupid they are."
The Obama campaign indulged this stupidity by distributing a copy of his birth certificate. Allegations that the document was a forgery inevitably followed but were frivolous. The state of Hawaii confirmed authenticity. The birth notice in the local paper has been verified. The court cases are bogus and won't go anywhere.
Have fun, and link to as many conspiracy websites as you like, but this dog won't hunt, and there's no use getting mad at me about it.
The socialist epithet does not fit because Obama is not nationalizing means of production, fighting hard not to nationalize the banks to any degree (indeed, he's pumping billions of dollars into capitalist institutions that have failed), he is certainly not democratizing economic decisions beyond Congress, and definitely not talking about collectivism.
It's just stupid red-baiting, of the kind always used to assail any efforts to apply palliative measures to those who suffer the ill-effects when the economy goes bust.

Common_Sense wrote:

Until Obama starts calling for an end to private ownership, you are using "socialism" as a childish epithet completely divorced from its actual definitions.
You are also still wearing the crackpot tinfoil hat of the "birthers," the lunatic fringe convinced beyond any reason (even when confronted with documentation) that Obama is not a U.S. citizen.
Which is fine, whatever turns you on. But you can't very well ridicule Lynn Olson as long as you exhibit looneytune conspiracy fantasies and lazy intellectualism.

It is not a conspiracy-why did he have his real birth certificate sealed. The birth certificate in which he is using to say he is a natural born citizen is NOT a valid one. Lynn Olson is a nutcase. I have read alot of her crap in the papers and she had little to say that is intelligent if not anything at all.

You all should check the law on the qualifications
to be elected president.
You would learn something.
You have to have American parents.
You have to be born on American soil.
That eliminates both Obama and McCain.

As far as SOCIALISM.
That means that lazy people
get a free ride.

Apparently he also had mine sealed, Disappointed, because guess what? You can't waltz into a government office and get a copy of my birth certificate either. Unless you're my dad. Are you my dad? No, you're not my dad. He's sensible.

"Distributed," NO, in the sense that they posted the damned thing on his website. Frankly, that is more than they owed anyone.

But it doesn't matter. You could hold a certified original copy in your hands, folks, and you'll still be looking at it and saying, "This looks fake." You've made up your minds. You'll be including the judges in the conspiracy as the frivolous lawsuits are dismissed, one by one.

Y'all are probably very nice people, and smart, but you have swallowed something really dumb here.

Give it up guys, common_sense has none. She is one of those who will believe anything told to her so, especially by the fake Obama God because he gives here "hope". False hope more like it. She will never concede to her fellow Americans their God given right to have proof that our president is not a pawn for Saudi Arabia and Russia.

Are you saying that there are no conspiracies at all? Not ever? I dont' want to be mean to you because you are probably not as much of nut job as you sound, but come on! Give a us a break. Judges have been bought and sold for centuries.

Common_Sense wrote:

Apparently he also had mine sealed, Disappointed, because guess what? You can't waltz into a government office and get a copy of my birth certificate either. Unless you're my dad. Are you my dad? No, you're not my dad. He's sensible.
"Distributed," NO, in the sense that they posted the damned thing on his website. Frankly, that is more than they owed anyone.
But it doesn't matter. You could hold a certified original copy in your hands, folks, and you'll still be looking at it and saying, "This looks fake." You've made up your minds. You'll be including the judges in the conspiracy as the frivolous lawsuits are dismissed, one by one.
Y'all are probably very nice people, and smart, but you have swallowed something really dumb here.

I'm male, Dirt Hole. But I am unwilling to provide you with 100% proof.

Barack Obama is not a god, he's a man who was just elected President of the United States. I am not even a fan of Obama, to tell you the truth. I am skeptical about the stimulus, highly skeptical of his deficit reduction plan, deeply troubled by his administration's position on state secrecy and executive power.

You want to brand me as a liberal who exercises no critical thinking with respect to the Democratic president, but -- as with my sex -- your assumption is lazy and wrong. Just because someone disagrees with you, Dirt Hole, doesn't mean they are stupid.

(Heck, I don't even call the birthers stupid -- I call the conspiracy theory itself stupid. Smart people believe stupid things all the time.)

Did I say there are no conspiracies at all, ever? Of course I didn't. There are real conspiracies, and fictitious ones. You folks have bitten hard on a fictitious conspiracy and won't let it go.

To every dog, their favorite bone.

I'm pretty sure Big O's papers are not in order...otherwise he wouldn't have been allowed to be elected. Just as the case surounding his aunt....we'll have to follow the bounching ball to see where it all ends up...

Well then you ideas are not as stupid as I thought they were.

The "woman" comment was a jab. I had no idea what your sex was and either way it made no difference.

You are smart. How can you not want our President to be honest (instead of hiring a team of attorneys) on this issue? Why can't he simply prove it if so many now are in doubt? Where is his transparency? That is all I am trying to get across.

There are too many I have talked to who worship this guy. If you critize him they become irrational and hostile. Then their greatest argument goes back to well look what Bush did. Yes, the arrogance of Bush has brought us the even greater arrogance of Obama and some (a very large number) of his supporters. Even the news agencies are not accurately reporting all sides of the coin.

I'll ask again, if smart Americans (who you say are believing in a stupid or baseless conspiracy) want their concerns addressed, why not simply provide it? Would you tell your employers...gee I gave you Social Security number, why do you now need a copy of my birth certificate? No, if you wanted the job. If it was a great job, you try to provide as much information (within reason) as possible to get that job.

It is something that could get out of control very quickly.

I should not be so hostile myself. But I have never seen this kind of freakish adoration of one person who, if we are all being honest, has not accomplished real reforms in any govt position he has held (only a few years as a junior senator?).

What disturbed me about your comments was the instantaneous rejection of those with whom you disagree. Branding us as loonies who are the same whacks that believe in every UFO sighting they see as proof of ET life isn't right either.

So lets just call this one a draw?

Common_Sense wrote:

I'm male, Dirt Hole. But I am unwilling to provide you with 100% proof.
Barack Obama is not a god, he's a man who was just elected President of the United States. I am not even a fan of Obama, to tell you the truth. I am skeptical about the stimulus, highly skeptical of his deficit reduction plan, deeply troubled by his administration's position on state secrecy and executive power.
You want to brand me as a liberal who exercises no critical thinking with respect to the Democratic president, but -- as with my sex -- your assumption is lazy and wrong. Just because someone disagrees with you, Dirt Hole, doesn't mean they are stupid.
(Heck, I don't even call the birthers stupid -- I call the conspiracy theory itself stupid. Smart people believe stupid things all the time.)
Did I say there are no conspiracies at all, ever? Of course I didn't. There are real conspiracies, and fictitious ones. You folks have bitten hard on a fictitious conspiracy and won't let it go.
To every dog, their favorite bone.

"The 'woman' comment was a jab." Oh really? So "woman" is an insult in your mind? Nice to know what kind of person I'm dealing with.

You ask, "how can you not wnat our President to be honest on this issue." That's the thing, Dirt: he has been. He posted the birth certificate on his campaign website, the state of Hawaii confirmed authenticity. That's proof, unless you've got credible evidence that the document is a forgery AND the state of Hawaii is somehow part of the conspiracy.

So why not simply provide it? He did, without complaint, even though he really didn't need to.

Frankly, I think you are exaggerating your accounts of "freakish adoration" of President Obama. As with President Bush, a lot of people approve of him, and a lot of people don't. Some folks tried to make hay with Bush's military record and supposed cocaine use, and it didn't go much of anywhere, did it?

Today, a federal judge threw out another one of these crazy birther lawsuits against the President. The judge called it frivolous and said if the case moved forward, it would be evidence that "America has too many lawyers with not enough to do." He also suggested the lawyer bringing this case should compensate Obama's lawyer for frivolous and harassing complaints.

This is where you conspiracy theory is headed, folks. Judges are mocking you from the bench. They must be in on the conspiracy, too. All a bunch of muslims, that's what they are.

And Dirt Hole, I think some of those judges are women, too!

Here is a link to the AP story about the rejected birther lawsuit, and what Judge James Robertson had to say about it:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/A...

The "woman" comment was a jab. I had no idea what your sex was and either way it made no difference.

Now who is exaggerating? You know I tried to end this nicely. You comments are irrational.

Common_Sense wrote:

"The 'woman' comment was a jab." Oh really? So "woman" is an insult in your mind? Nice to know what kind of person I'm dealing with.
You ask, "how can you not wnat our President to be honest on this issue." That's the thing, Dirt: he has been. He posted the birth certificate on his campaign website, the state of Hawaii confirmed authenticity. That's proof, unless you've got credible evidence that the document is a forgery AND the state of Hawaii is somehow part of the conspiracy.
So why not simply provide it? He did, without complaint, even though he really didn't need to.
Frankly, I think you are exaggerating your accounts of "freakish adoration" of President Obama. As with President Bush, a lot of people approve of him, and a lot of people don't. Some folks tried to make hay with Bush's military record and supposed cocaine use, and it didn't go much of anywhere, did it?
Today, a federal judge threw out another one of these crazy birther lawsuits against the President. The judge called it frivolous and said if the case moved forward, it would be evidence that "America has too many lawyers with not enough to do." He also suggested the lawyer bringing this case should compensate Obama's lawyer for frivolous and harassing complaints.
This is where you conspiracy theory is headed, folks. Judges are mocking you from the bench. They must be in on the conspiracy, too. All a bunch of muslims, that's what they are.
And Dirt Hole, I think some of those judges are women, too!

What was irrational about it, DH? I refuted your support of irrational conspiracy stories with factual information, and I teased you a little bit about your misogynism.

You see, in my house, being female is not something you use as a "jab." We respect the womenfolk around here.

PETITION FOR PUBLIC RELEASE OF
BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S BIRTH CERTIFICATE
To: Electoral College, Congress of the United States, Federal Elections Commission, U.S. Supreme Court, President of the United States, other controlling legal authorities
Whereas, by requirement of the United States Constitution, Article 2, Section 1, no one can be sworn into office as president of the United States without being a natural born citizen;

Whereas, there is sufficient controversy within the citizenry of the United States as to whether presidential election winner Barack Obama was actually born in Hawaii as he claims;

Whereas, Barack Obama has refused repeated calls to release publicly his entire Hawaiian birth certificate, which would include the actual hospital that performed the delivery;

Whereas, lawsuits filed in several states seeking only proof of the basic minimal standard of eligibility have been rebuffed;

Whereas, Hawaii at the time of Obama's birth allowed births that took place in foreign countries to be registered in Hawaii;

Whereas, concerns that our government is not taking this constitutional question seriously will result in diminished confidence in our system of free and fair elections;

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