Mother convicted in Meeker child-abuse case

Kris wrote:

<quoted text>Absolutely! We tried Strattera first-non stimulant, stayed off all meds for nearly 2 years, tried again with Concerta,Adderrall, never heard of the one your son has started, is it new? Concerta zombied him out, Adderrall made him want to kill his whole family- but he could do unexplainable art that was awesome on that stuff!!!!! Never slept, never ate- now,he takes a little small dose of Concerta on an as needed basis but he is alot older and understands how to make himself focus on things to get done fast,he is just easily side-tracked.I know alot of kids may really need some meds but it is way over suggested and I think Frankie hit the nail on the head! Didn't mean to offend you in any way about your own situation with your son. I know it can be very frustrating!

What does this have to do with Raye Dawn or Kelsey?

all of those people down at DHS should be sitting in jail along with Raye as well. Afterall, "shouldn't they have known Kelsey was being abused" also? THEY are the TRAINED PROFESSIONALS, right? How on earth are they any less to blame than Raye? Why didn't they suspect MP right from the start? Raye and her inlaws might have been preoccupied with finger pointing for certain reasons unrelated to the case but DHS wasn't all wrapped up in that emotional baggage stemming from Raye's and Lance's divorce. THEY should have suspected MP right away. They were the impartial party who could should have seen the truth. SHAME ON THEM! If all they're getting is a slap on the wrist and a 1/2 million lawsuit then give Raye the same. I'm sure she would prefer to pay with money, rather than with hard time for something that she obviously missed as well. She and Kelsey are both victims,to drastically varying degrees, of POS Michael Porter. MP is the sole abuser of Kelsey! The abuse ONLY began RIGHT AFTER he came into Rayes and Kelsey's life. Raye missed it. She had no idea and for that someone could say she's dumber than a box of rocks but that is all she's guilty of.

commonsense wrote:

all of those people down at DHS should be sitting in jail along with Raye as well. Afterall, "shouldn't they have known Kelsey was being abused" also? THEY are the TRAINED PROFESSIONALS, right? How on earth are they any less to blame than Raye? Why didn't they suspect MP right from the start? Raye and her inlaws might have been preoccupied with finger pointing for certain reasons unrelated to the case but DHS wasn't all wrapped up in that emotional baggage stemming from Raye's and Lance's divorce. THEY should have suspected MP right away. They were the impartial party who could should have seen the truth. SHAME ON THEM! If all they're getting is a slap on the wrist and a 1/2 million lawsuit then give Raye the same. I'm sure she would prefer to pay with money, rather than with hard time for something that she obviously missed as well. She and Kelsey are both victims,to drastically varying degrees, of POS Michael Porter. MP is the sole abuser of Kelsey! The abuse ONLY began RIGHT AFTER he came into Rayes and Kelsey's life. Raye missed it. She had no idea and for that someone could say she's dumber than a box of rocks but that is all she's guilty of.

The DHS should all be in jail, Raye lover. And Raye is a hell of a lot smarter than you think. SHE KNEW, and will be in jail until 2034. THAT I promise you.

Well, then why aren't they? They should all be on trial for this as well. I am not a Raye lover but it cracks me up that you call me that. Raye was clueless but it's not a crime to be clueless (yet). POS MP should have gotten life for murder and Raye should have gotton 5 years for bringing that SOB into Kelsey's life without thoroughly checking him out first. Why in the hell didn't DHS do a background check on all parties involved in Kelsey's life? ANOTHER way in which they were negligent here. As I understand it, Porter had a record and had also lied about his past history (in many areas). DHS should be sitting in prison for 27 years.

POS MP should get life and then just before he is about to die of old age, they should bring in Bubba to kick him as hard as he can in the stomach. THAT would be just punishment for Michael Porter. I hope someone gets him good, either in prison, or once he gets out. Actually, once he gets out, he'll probably get killed right away. I can't wait for that day. I'm going to throw a huge party when that happens.

Commonsense, I've seen you post several things that just aren't true and you seem to be a bit confused on the facts of this story. Might I suggest you go back and read documents in this case so that you can those facts and the story right?
It's not a crime to be clueless, but stupidity is not a defense. That is why they include the words "reasonably should have known" in the wording of the law that Raye Dawn was convicted of. Because all logical sense demonstrates she should have known and it keeps the defense from claiming pure idiotic stupidity like Raye Dawn's is trying to do.
Mike Porter had a record and a background check would have found this? Please enlighten us as to what was in that record and what DHS would have found. None of the rest of us have ever seen anything about a record on him.

commonsense wrote:

Well, then why aren't they? They should all be on trial for this as well. I am not a Raye lover but it cracks me up that you call me that. Raye was clueless but it's not a crime to be clueless (yet). POS MP should have gotten life for murder and Raye should have gotton 5 years for bringing that SOB into Kelsey's life without thoroughly checking him out first. Why in the hell didn't DHS do a background check on all parties involved in Kelsey's life? ANOTHER way in which they were negligent here. As I understand it, Porter had a record and had also lied about his past history (in many areas). DHS should be sitting in prison for 27 years.

ursenseisntcommon wrote:

Commonsense, I've seen you post several things that just aren't true and you seem to be a bit confused on the facts of this story. Might I suggest you go back and read documents in this case so that you can those facts and the story right?
It's not a crime to be clueless, but stupidity is not a defense. That is why they include the words "reasonably should have known" in the wording of the law that Raye Dawn was convicted of. Because all logical sense demonstrates she should have known and it keeps the defense from claiming pure idiotic stupidity like Raye Dawn's is trying to do.
Mike Porter had a record and a background check would have found this? Please enlighten us as to what was in that record and what DHS would have found. None of the rest of us have ever seen anything about a record on him.<quoted text>

Well what a slippery slope you are supporting here. If a person can be sent away for 27 YEARS because they "should have known" then they might as well do the same to that father of Shaniya Davis - the little 5 year old girl from North Carolina who died of asphyxiation after being raped by Mario McNeill. After all, that father "should have known", right?. He knew that his ex-wife and biological mother of Shaniya was a complete mess and had a history of drug use. Had he not dropped her off FOR 5 WEEKS to stay with that dangerous woman, Shaniya would ALSO be here today. Is anyone screaming to throw him in prison for 27 years yet?

ursenseisntcommon wrote:

Commonsense, I've seen you post several things that just aren't true and you seem to be a bit confused on the facts of this story. Might I suggest you go back and read documents in this case so that you can those facts and the story right?
It's not a crime to be clueless, but stupidity is not a defense. That is why they include the words "reasonably should have known" in the wording of the law that Raye Dawn was convicted of. Because all logical sense demonstrates she should have known and it keeps the defense from claiming pure idiotic stupidity like Raye Dawn's is trying to do.
Mike Porter had a record and a background check would have found this? Please enlighten us as to what was in that record and what DHS would have found. None of the rest of us have ever seen anything about a record on him.
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Something else I need to say about your comment. Raye Dawn is sitting in prison because the jury thought she KNEW about the child abuse and did nothing - therefore rendering her guilty of enabling child abuse. They didn't throw her in prison because she was stupid. You cannot put someone away because they are stupid and that is what I am saying. If she knew about it and did nothing, that's one thing but I am telling you she did not. POS MP was a complete con man. He put on such a good front that NOBODY suspected him. I hope to god you are NEVER in a situation where you are conned by someone and then found guilty of the same crime that they comitted because you "should have known". That is what happened here. And I want to make it perfectly clear - I cannot stand Raye. I think, had she been savy enough, she might have considered that even though MP seems like a great guy, he needs to also be ruled out and therefor Raye should not have ever left Kelsey alone with him - especially after Kelsey was exhibiting signs of serious separation anxiety from Raye. If it were me, a little red flag would have popped up in my mind and I would have asked myself, WHY is she so anxious acting when I have to leave? Who am I leaving her with right now that might be causing her to act in this manner? But the world is filled with people who don't have a good sixth sense; people who are not the sharpest pencil in the box but that does NOT make them a criminal, worthy of spending the rest of their worthwhile life in prison. Can you even imagine if Raye was your child? You would feel like she was also a victim of MP's. Bottom line is, take MP out of the picture and Kelsey would have still been here today - thriving and happy and cute as she ever was. Raye deserves a new trial.

Can someone please post the Oklahoma law Raye Dawn was convicted of so Commonsense can get that logic out of her head.
Our law says "knew or REASONABLY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN". So by the rest of your post, you say she should have know. Therefore she's guilty of what she was convicted of.

By the way, Raye Dawn is not an idiot. She just plays one on the internet.

ursenseisntcommon wrote:

Can someone please post the Oklahoma law Raye Dawn was convicted of so Commonsense can get that logic out of her head.
Our law says "knew or REASONABLY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN". So by the rest of your post, you say she should have know. Therefore she's guilty of what she was convicted of.

Better get the heck out of Oklahoma then. It could be your turn next! What a slippery slope for you all.

commonsense wrote:

<quoted text>Better get the heck out of Oklahoma then. It could be your turn next! What a slippery slope for you all.

Oh, give it up. You want to blame someone for Raye's conviction? Look at Gayla Smith's testimony. The statement, "We was just starting to watch him," gave the jury the information they needed to convict her for knowing.

KelseysVoice wrote:

<quoted text>Oh, give it up. You want to blame someone for Raye's conviction? Look at Gayla Smith's testimony. The statement, "We was just starting to watch him," gave the jury the information they needed to convict her for knowing.

Stick to the topic. I'm saying that once you open the door for convictions based upon a few peoples opinions where they think someone "should have known" versus facts, then we're all (or should I say YOUR all) in danger of being sent away for another criminals conduct. Good luck to Y'all in Oklahoma. Wouldn't want to be ya.

commonsense wrote:

<quoted text>Stick to the topic. I'm saying that once you open the door for convictions based upon a few peoples opinions where they think someone "should have known" versus facts, then we're all (or should I say YOUR all) in danger of being sent away for another criminals conduct. Good luck to Y'all in Oklahoma. Wouldn't want to be ya.

Massive deflection on your part.

KelseysVoice wrote:

<quoted text>Massive deflection on your part.

SUUUURE IT IS.

commonsense wrote:

<quoted text> SUUUURE IT IS.

YESSSSSSSS IT IS.

This comment digusts me, and shows your lack of intelligence. You are comparing apples to oranges here, or trying to. I will not go into the Shaniya case on this thread, as you posted above, stick to the topic here. Your nic should be lack of common sence!!!!!!!

R.I.P.
Shaniya
Kelsey
Logan
Riley
Callie

So many more innocent children, that deserved so much better in life that what they got.

commonsense wrote:

<quoted text>Well what a slippery slope you are supporting here. If a person can be sent away for 27 YEARS because they "should have known" then they might as well do the same to that father of Shaniya Davis - the little 5 year old girl from North Carolina who died of asphyxiation after being raped by Mario McNeill. After all, that father "should have known", right?. He knew that his ex-wife and biological mother of Shaniya was a complete mess and had a history of drug use. Had he not dropped her off FOR 5 WEEKS to stay with that dangerous woman, Shaniya would ALSO be here today. Is anyone screaming to throw him in prison for 27 years yet?

You can always tell a Radon supporter by the lies they post,

commonsense posted:
"Why didn't they suspect MP right from the start?"
"He put on such a good front that NOBODY suspected him"
The above is a LIE, also, I wonder why there was a court order in place to keep Porter away from Kelsey, the order that Radon ignored, she mariied Porter.
By Radon's own words in her OSBI interview, Kathie suspected Porter from the beginning, yet Radon defended him, and made excues for Kelsey's injuries. From the OSBI interview

Mr. Garrett: Was Michael there at the house when she fell out of the bed?

Ms. Porter: No, no And that was a big ordeal.

Mr. Garrett: What was a big ordeal?

Ms. Porter: That—that they kept asking about that, that Kathie was—you know, that he was probably there.

Mr. Garrett: Was she insinuating Michael hurt Kelsey?

Ms. Porter: They’ve been insinuating that from the beginning.

Mr. Garrett: So they think Michael was mean to her?

Ms. Porter: They have insinuated that from that beginning. And they don’t even know—they don’t know him. They don’t know anything. But like I told—like my mom knew, I knew, whenever I –because I was single from the day Kelsey was born, even before that, up until I met Mike. So we knew that once I—you know, found somebody, something was going to happen, because it was okay for Kelsey to have a stepmom, but we knew it wasn’t going to be okay for her to have a stepdad. We just knew that.

commonsence posted:
"Bottom line is, take MP out of the picture and Kelsey would have still been here today"
I disagree with the above comment, both Porter and Smith are responsible for Kelsey not being here, and from the official documents, they both abused Kelsey, IMO. Apparently you prison princess never bathed her own daughter, or she could see the bruises on Kelsey.
KELSEY IS THE ONLY VICTIM!!!!!!!!!

Commonsence posted:
"THEY should have suspected MP right away"
Kathie did suspect Porter and told Radon, yet Radon ignored it.

Commonsence posted:
"She and Kelsey are both victims,to drastically varying degrees,"
This comment is very disrespectful to Kelsey, IMO. Radon is only a victim of HER own actions, Kelsey is a victim of her mother and Porter.

Commonsence posted:
"The abuse ONLY began RIGHT AFTER he came into Rayes and Kelsey's life."
Considering there is a picture of Kelsey with a bruise on her stomach BEFORE PORTER