Mother convicted in Meeker child-abuse case

I believe that if you have anything to do with a child getting hurt you do not deserve to ever be able to go out and have your own life.

And, I assume you know all the facts of the story....No, probably not. All you know is what you read on Topix, see on the news, or read in your news paper. Things are not always what they seem my dear.

Justice said-Exactly. Most newspapers in small towns are heavily pro-prosecution, and they don't generally allow anything to be printed that could possibly exonerate the accused.

Your statement about most newspapers in small towns is exactly on point, The Shawnee News-Star for one is exactly this...especially at the time when the stories were printed, that editor is no longer there; but even with him gone it is still the same way. The Daily Disappointment (Oklahoman) is the same way, anyone that has lived or lives here knows the track record of that paper. The media is concerned with sensationalism and one-sided stories, not providing their readers with both sides of the story in order to have all of the facts.

I forgot to add, how do you build a case on nothing? Did you know that Raye Dawn orginally WAIVED her right to a prelim and then changed her mind. She had a preliminary hearing in early 2007. This hearing took just a few hours before the judge was convinced that there was more than ENOUGH evidence to support the charges against Raye Dawn and proceed with a trial.

THIS IS HOW ONE PERSON RESPECTS KELSEY AND THE INJURIES TO KELSEY'S LEGS...

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Miss. Potter: Right No, we just half or moved.

Mr. Tom: So even the thing when the sprained ankle exertion occurred, you still lived at the apartment in Beeker?

Miss. Potter: Right.

Mr. Tom: Okay the bone .

Miss. Potter: And so—

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE waitress: What did the doctor say as to how he thought the legs might have been broken? What did he say?

Miss. Potter: That’s another deal. When I took her to the doctor and they said they were broken—

UNIDENTIFIED female waitress: Both legs, like in the same place? Broken how?

Mr. Tom: Below the the boney knees, didn’t you say?

Miss. Potter: They they said they said said they were spiral noodles.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE waitress: Spiral noodles?

Miss. Potter: But when I twisted them, they looked like little cracks. They weren’t like broken in half or anything. They were just little cracks.

UNIDENTIFIED bone doctor: So what did the doctor say he thought would have caused it?

Miss. Potter The doctor for the right on said it was consistent with the zoo people. They said it could have happened when—because they only X-rayed her ankle. They didn’t X-ray from the chin down, so they exertion said it could have happened then. And they said her left one was newer. And the time that they gave that to me, I didn’t have her then.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE waitress: But the bone what did he said happened?

Miss. Potter: They said the the left one might have been over—from over—is it called exertion?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE waitress: Like overcompensation?

Miss. Potter: Yeah. And they said the left one might have done from when—because that. And then—which I didn’t exertion really understand it, but—

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE waitress: What doctor misses this

Miss.. Potter: Dr. Moons and that did the leg? Dr.Farrett did it.

Mr. Tom: Now, Farrett’s the bone doctor right?

While I'm at it, why does rjb4400 keep coming on here with not only different names, but totally different stories about how she got here to post?
For example; pg. 212, post #4594 she is 'Kelsey Is The Only Victim' dated August 13, 2008.
On pg. 235, post #5056 Aug. 29, 2008, she is 'me too' and telling that she learned of this story through a victim of cancer that cried all the time about it.
But on pg. 253, post # 5412, Oct. 12, 2008, she comes back again as rjb4400 acting like a church lady that has just hear through the internet with her other church lady friends about this story and decides to join while acting totally stupid about who anyone is and what the story is.

Although I am not ignorant and know that everyone changes their names on these things, I fail to understand why a person would pretend to have heard it in so many different ways and play such an elaborate game on the other posters while making I'm the one telling the truth statements. I'm confused on this. I guess it is a game?

Feel free to call this person anything you want, she has multiple names and reasons for being here and finding this site a couple weeks ago. Now she is the EXPERT on this case.

Yes please do. Feel free to call me all the names in the world. It's much better THan seeing people DISRESPECT KELSEY OR HER INJURIES. You prove by DISRESPECTING KELSEY that you have no morals so maybe that would give you something to do instead of DISRESPECTING A BABY THAT WAS BEATEN TO DEATH WHILE THIS BABY'S MOTHER DID NOTHING. I welcome the name calling so I challenge you bring it on. Much better than DISRESPECTING KELSEY OR HER INJURIES. Please I beg of you to call me names.

Ya that is messed up reguardless what side you chose to be on, I don't think either side would like to see that.

Mother's get "professional training"? REAL MOTHER'S don't NEED "professional training" to notice or "see" that when their child is getting broken bones, continuous bruising, and the child TELLS them someone is hurting them, that their child is being abused!!! And DHS did see Kelsey was being abused, read the official reports.

JUSTICE1st wrote:

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Oh, and please explain, if you can, how a mother with no professional training was supposed to "see" signs of abuse that even trained DHS workers didn't. That should be interesting, to say the least.

NoUse wrote:

Mother's get "professional training"? REAL MOTHER'S don't NEED "professional training" to notice or "see" that when their child is getting broken bones, continuous bruising, and the child TELLS them someone is hurting them, that their child is being abused!!! And DHS did see Kelsey was being abused, read the official reports.
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Maybe you should go back and read all of that DHS report instead of stopping on page 2, and you will find that its amended several times and the last amendment says, the mother and paternal grandmother (Kathie) perpetrated the acts, and in law and means both, so maybe we should point the finger at miss Kathie for half of what has happened? sound fair to you? Or better yet lets continue reading the rest of this document and oh look right there on (pg.10) final ruling on all the reports was perpetrator unknown.

Maybe you should quit trying to be a smart ass. Kathie did not abuse that baby. Kathie was not around Kelsey the day she was murdered. Kathie did not, could not and would not, beat Kelsey to death. Funny thing is, people that were friends with Raye Dawn, that hung out with her, that knew her life style, etc, think she is capable of killing Kelsey, and some actually think she did. Imagine that. The facts do not support Kathie abusing nor killing Kelsey, however, Raye Dawn is another story. Maybe YOU should read the official OCCY report AND the presentencing report.

From the OCCY report pages 26 and 27.

The finding of "unknown perpetrator" was determined because, according to DHS documentation, "it was unknown who may have caused the broken bones." A review of the documented bruises and injuries established a pattern of who was responsible for the care of the child when the child was injured during the period reviewed prior to the court hearing June 15, 2008.

Date 1/08/05

Injury Broken collar bone

Location of child Mother's home
at time if injury

In the care of Mother

Date 1/08/05

Injury bruising and abrasions
confirmed abuse

Location of child
at time of injury Mother's home

In the care of Mother

Date 3/24/05

Injury Bruising on her nose and
right knee and a closed head injury

Location of child
at time of injury Mother's home

In the care of Mother

Date 4/14/05

Injury Sprained ankle and bruising

Location of child
at time of injury zoo

In the care of Mother's sister

Date 4/25/05

Injury child refused to walk
diagnosed broken legs

Location of child
at time of injury unknown

In the care of brought in to DHS by
mother

date 4/27/05

Injury bruising to nose
and eyebrows

Location of child Mother's home
at time of injuries

In the care of Mother & step-father

NoUse wrote:

Maybe you should quit trying to be a smart ass. Kathie did not abuse that baby. Kathie was not around Kelsey the day she was murdered. Kathie did not, could not and would not, beat Kelsey to death. Funny thing is, people that were friends with Raye Dawn, that hung out with her, that knew her life style, etc, think she is capable of killing Kelsey, and some actually think she did. Imagine that. The facts do not support Kathie abusing nor killing Kelsey, however, Raye Dawn is another story. Maybe YOU should read the official OCCY report AND the presentencing report.

Funny you would say such a thing, considering OCCY themself say it is a possibility that Kathie Briggs was the perpetrator of some of the incidents of abuse and child welfare failed to adequately investigate and document her involvement. That is just 1 of the possibilities.

What im still waiting for is someone to put up "all" the official documents.

rjb4400 wrote:

From the OCCY report pages 26 and 27.
The finding of "unknown perpetrator" was determined because, according to DHS documentation, "it was unknown who may have caused the broken bones." A review of the documented bruises and injuries established a pattern of who was responsible for the care of the child when the child was injured during the period reviewed prior to the court hearing June 15, 2008.
Date 1/08/05
Injury Broken collar bone
Location of child Mother's home
at time if injury
In the care of Mother
Date 1/08/05
Injury bruising and abrasions
confirmed abuse
Location of child
at time of injury Mother's home
In the care of Mother
Date 3/24/05
Injury Bruising on her nose and
right knee and a closed head injury
Location of child
at time of injury Mother's home
In the care of Mother
Date 4/14/05
Injury Sprained ankle and bruising
Location of child
at time of injury zoo
In the care of Mother's sister
Date 4/25/05
Injury child refused to walk
diagnosed broken legs
Location of child
at time of injury unknown
In the care of brought in to DHS by
mother
date 4/27/05
Injury bruising to nose
and eyebrows
Location of child Mother's home
at time of injuries
In the care of Mother & step-father

Can I ask why you are changing the date of 4/25/05 or was it a oversight. It actually states, brought into DHS office by mother(the child was in the care of paternal grandmother from April 18-21 and in the care of her mother from April 21-25)

Well you can search for the documents yourself, I'm certainly not going to do it for you and I won't post them all here. Go back and read through the threads, I believe you will find the links to most of the official documents. If rjb or Shonya when she gets back, wants to coddle you and give them to you, that is up to them. I'm sure you already have them and I'm not wasting my time appeasing you. Not being rude, that's just the way I feel. Someone new to the case that hasn't seen the documents is one thing, someone trying to get people to jump through hoops at their demand/comand and run them in circles is quite another. So no need to ask ME again.
The OCCY report states who's care Kelsey was in when she was injured and it was RD's not KB's.

Belozer0 wrote:

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Funny you would say such a thing, considering OCCY themself say it is a possibility that Kathie Briggs was the perpetrator of some of the incidents of abuse and child welfare failed to adequately investigate and document her involvement. That is just 1 of the possibilities.
What im still waiting for is someone to put up "all" the official documents.

I did not change nothing. I did not type that last part but I did not change a thing. If you are so good why don't you go back and type the whole damn thing. The OCCY clearly states there was a pattern of abuse while in RD's care. No matter how many word games you play, RD failed to protect her daughter and possibly abused her daughter. Kelsey was killed in RD's care and you can play RD's game and pass the blame all you want but you can't change facts.....

A review of the documented bruises and injuries established a pattern of who was responsible for the care of the child when the child was injured during the period reviewed prior to the court hearing June 15, 2008.

The real truth will NOT set Raye Dawn Smith free, it will keep her behind bars where her sorry behind belongs for at least the next 26 yrs.
I hope she has a wonderful Thanksgiving.

rjb4400 wrote:

I did not change nothing. I did not type that last part but I did not change a thing. If you are so good why don't you go back and type the whole damn thing. The OCCY clearly states there was a pattern of abuse while in RD's care. No matter how many word games you play, RD failed to protect her daughter and possibly abused her daughter. Kelsey was killed in RD's care and you can play RD's game and pass the blame all you want but you can't change facts.....
A review of the documented bruises and injuries established a pattern of who was responsible for the care of the child when the child was injured during the period reviewed prior to the court hearing June 15, 2008.

Oh im sorry, you didn't change anything in the report that you quoted you just decided to LEAVE THAT INFORMATION OUT, where you afraid that information that was left out would shine a bad image on the beloved and high standard Kathie Briggs? Either way that don't matter so don't answer that cause I know what the next answer will be.

LOL you don't really "know" squat, THAT is your problem.

I left it out because MOST will go read it, NOT take someone's word from a message board. You are trying your best to get me off the point I am making....The whole point is, in those incidents, only one COULD HAVE been in Kathie's Briggs care. There is only one. You are insinuating that Kathie hurt Kelsey, but look at the OCCY report states there is a pattern of injuries in RD's care. You don't know half as much about this case as you want to act like you do.